Michael Ryder Thread: The "Erik Who?" edition
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it's a painful thought to have Ryder in there @ 5M$/year... no doubt about it...
but as one-dimensional as he is, his performance in that way has been stellar in this very short sample size... and really, looking back at his career, he's been pretty consistent at delivering close to 30 goals/season (his career goals-per-82games = 26).
With our cap situation, and organizational prospect depth (many prospects looking NHL bound withing 1-3 seasons), we can afford the "premium" of a 5M$ Ryder much better than we could when we last let him leave via UFAgency (when he got 4M$/year).
question remains what $$ he will hold out for. If his prime motivation is to land that (likely last) "BIG" contract, then he may price himself out of town... i could see some team give him 3+ years @ 5M$ or a shorter deal closer to 6M$/per, given the sparse UFA market.
but if he likes the situation he landed in, and is willing to take a bit less total $$ in order to be here for 2-4 years, then I think the situation would make a ~4M$ Ryder over 2-4 years pretty reasonable ...
can't wait to see how it plays out!
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Yea I'm interested to see how it plays out too. I will say this, it's nice to see your summers biggest drama be "will you resign a guy for x million" vs what do we do with Price vs Halak. It's good knowing that your top 6 situation is mostly locked up with a couple guys in the top 9 knockoff at the door.
I'm not a Kristo fan but having prospects like him, Gally wanting to emerge and push Gionta put of a job are the type of problems I like to see.
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If Ryders goes UFA, he can easily got 5-5.5M per year for 3/4 years. The UFA crop this year is really weak. All good players are locked up long term. I think we should make an effort to resign Ryder.
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The UFA crop may be weak but most teams that normally give out big UFA deals will be looking to shed salary not add any so it's tough to say whether he will get that big payday.
The only team that comes to mind as a potential signer at big bucks is the Rangers, who no doubt want to make up for the loss of Gaborik. I'm sure the Bruins are kicking themselves at this point for letting Ryder go but but even they couldn't afford both Ryder and Jagr.
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re-sign Ryder
plan B is one year of Jagr.
If plan A or plan B happen.. hopefully we can trade Gionta, eat some of his salary, 5 mill on the cap for slap-shot man isn't going to work next season.
plan B is one year of Jagr.
If plan A or plan B happen.. hopefully we can trade Gionta, eat some of his salary, 5 mill on the cap for slap-shot man isn't going to work next season.
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My 2 cents,
I would not re-sign Ryder. It would be off a gut feeling. Not for 4+ anyway. He is getting older and although he is performing at the moment as Eric Cole was last year, I feel he will be half the productive player next year, half of that the following year and useless the next with Habs nation crying over it like babies.
Even though he is a UFA we should just try to trade his rights and move on. The comfort of 4-5 million will put him back to 18 goal seasons which won't sit well with most. If Ryder isn't scoring he pretty much will be doing nothing.
The only hope here is his relationship with Therrien, but how long will he last if we have a crap season or two following this one.
Pass on Ryder
I would not re-sign Ryder. It would be off a gut feeling. Not for 4+ anyway. He is getting older and although he is performing at the moment as Eric Cole was last year, I feel he will be half the productive player next year, half of that the following year and useless the next with Habs nation crying over it like babies.
Even though he is a UFA we should just try to trade his rights and move on. The comfort of 4-5 million will put him back to 18 goal seasons which won't sit well with most. If Ryder isn't scoring he pretty much will be doing nothing.
The only hope here is his relationship with Therrien, but how long will he last if we have a crap season or two following this one.
Pass on Ryder
If we could sign him to a 1 yr $6M I would do it but that's never going to happen. We don't have any NHL ready forwards coming up from the AHL next season (on a full-time basis at least) and we have the cap space. The year after that though I'm not sure.
Trade Bourque, keep Ryder. Similar age but Ryder's style is more likely to stay effective on a longer term contract.
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So we lose a guy on pace for 35 goals for the 2nd consecutive season, and replace him with nothing? This is sure going to work out great.
So we lose a guy on pace for 35 goals for the 2nd consecutive season, and replace him with nothing? This is sure going to work out great.
It's never a good idea to lose a guy to UFA (still pi**ed about Gainey) but it happens and MB was well aware of that when he made the trade. Even if Ryder walks we still win that trade because we got to dump Cole's salary. What happens if Ryder becomes the Cole of this season? I'm not saying it's going to happen but no one thought it would happen to Cole this year either. How many years are you willing to be stuck with a guy who is in decline and can't produce to the expectations of his salary.
A 35 goal scorer this year may not be a 35 goal scorer next year (Cole). Let's say Cole was a UFA last summer, do you sign him to a 4 yr deal at his age? For those who argue Ryder is not Cole, blah blah, Cole was loved by all last year and he was projected to be on our #1 line this year.
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In Ryder's case, 35 goals this year, and it was still 35 goals last year. It's 2 in a row now.
And he's just a playoffs beast. Ask Bruins fans how useful he was in their cup win.
Ryder has nothing to do with Cole, because no matter how slower he gets, no matter how the rest of his game falls, he's still going to be one of the best shooters/snipers in the league. We have nothing coming even close to that in the whole system.
As for Cole, his whole game was dependant on driving the net and beating other players with his speed, and his strong play on the puck.
And quite frankly, if you're a team paying BRIAN GIONTA 5M a year, you dump him WAY before you let Ryder go for asking about the same price.
I swear people here have a negative bias for Ryder because of what he used to be. It's painfully obvious he's not the same player as he was before. He's winning 1 on 1 battles, something he never did before. He's competing when fighting for the puck along the boards, and actually giving more of an effort backchecking.
Whenever Habs fans get something stuck in their mind, they NEVER change up their minds. There's not a single other fanbase who base their opinion on first impression as much as ours. That's too bad, because he's going to get paid elsewhere, and we'll have to count on Gionta's 50 feet slappers to score clutch goals when we lose him.
Ryder's future
Here is an interesting read...
http://www.habs7.com/index.php/tradesandinjuriesleft/368-ryder-represents-quite-a-dilemma
Here is an interesting read...
http://www.habs7.com/index.php/tradesandinjuriesleft/368-ryder-represents-quite-a-dilemma
If he would sign for 2 years thats a plus but going over the #'s that MB has to deal with makes me glad im a FEDEX manager and not a Hockey GM.
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The only problem I see with Ryder is the dollar amount he'll command for being more one dimensional. It's hard to pay that much money to a guy for a long term who is a specialists. Don't get me wrong, I like what he brings and I'm happy to have him here but not at $5MM.
The play (or lack there of) against Ovy is a perfect example. He could have run right into him but instead let him skate right past him, unharassed and score. I'm not even mad at him for that because that's the type of player you're gonna get. I just don't think he's worth $5MM for that.
At $3.5MM he's a freaking steal but anything north of $4MM and I think you have to start looking elsewhere for a more complete player who may or may not get the goals but he'll get keep some off as well.
In this case, I think Bergevin et al. have earned enough credability that I'll default to what they decide to do. That's why they get paid the big bucks and why I write my opinion on a message board... that just made me a little sad lol.
The play (or lack there of) against Ovy is a perfect example. He could have run right into him but instead let him skate right past him, unharassed and score. I'm not even mad at him for that because that's the type of player you're gonna get. I just don't think he's worth $5MM for that.
At $3.5MM he's a freaking steal but anything north of $4MM and I think you have to start looking elsewhere for a more complete player who may or may not get the goals but he'll get keep some off as well.
In this case, I think Bergevin et al. have earned enough credability that I'll default to what they decide to do. That's why they get paid the big bucks and why I write my opinion on a message board... that just made me a little sad lol.
The problem is, it may be a weak UFA market this summer unless a few guys get bought out(Heatley?). Maybe a guy like Elias? I doubt New Jersey lets him walk. Clarkson, like Ryder is pretty one dimensional, brings toughness but his overall offense is not close to Ryder as he is more dependant on getting fed by high end(Elias Kovlahcuk) guys.
Maybe they can get him at a home town discount 2 years 9 mil?
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Valid point, but I wouldn't lock myself into a long term contract because of 1 weak off season. Also, the lack of quality forwards this summer might be a reason why he gets those ridiculous UFA contracts from the Isles or Oilers etc.
Listening to him speak, he seems content to go to market and go to the highest bidder and I can't blame him.
I'd do the 2 year $9MM but not higher and I think he'll get more term or $$ from another team.
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Ryder is going to be coming over 2 strong seasons, and might be his last big contract, I think he is going to ask for 4 years 5M, but will probaly get 3 years at that money.
At the time of the trade, I thought we would let him leave and use the money on someone like Perry, I really thought he would leave the Ducks (Perry), but now I'm not sure anymore , maybe try to find some via trade in regards, or maybe just re-signing Ryder.
At the time of the trade, I thought we would let him leave and use the money on someone like Perry, I really thought he would leave the Ducks (Perry), but now I'm not sure anymore , maybe try to find some via trade in regards, or maybe just re-signing Ryder.
