Speculation: #Melnkyout...The time is NOW!

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Will you boycott the Sens over the next 6-8 weeks to put added pressure on Melnyk?


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aragorn

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Definitely more believable than Wideman saying those comments. Borowiecki loves opening his mouth even though he’s the worst player on the team.
So when Anderson said he wanted a trade probably because there was too much drama in the dressing room, does he also love to open his mouth? A lot of players are hinting that the room was dysfunctional last yr & so much better now, are they all wrong too? It seems to me that as more players speak up, we are getting a clearer picture as to the source of the problems in the room & with the team.
 

Masked

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They got the donuts? Excellent....
I believe it will be an arena with the team being there,there really isnt anything else that makes sense....Kanata was a huge field,while developers built a golf course trying to drum up interest..It really took off when the arena was built there...

All the outer suburbs took off when the arena was built - Kanata, Orleans and Barrhaven. That's because there was no affordable suburban land in the greenbelt for the most part, outside of the south end near Bank & Hunt Club.

The arena didn't make Kanata boom - the big high tech parks along March Road did, and those were there before the arena.
 

FlyingJ

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We live in the outskirts of Ottawa and a new arena on Lebreton flats would not shorten the time it takes for us to get to a game. In fact, having to take the LRT might take longer. We have been going to Kanata for many years and it's not a big deal. The main problem is the parking issue and the long time it takes to get out of the parking lot at the end of the game when the attendance is high. If they could make that quicker and easier at the current location I would have no problem with the team staying there. I realize that this is not the case for many people but it is for us.
I get that, but here's the thing: far more people live in the rest of Ottawa than Kanata, Stittsville, or the fringes closer to the CTC. Heck, moving to Lebreton would allow the team to really appeal to people in Gatineau, which last I checked has a population that dwarfs Kanata-Stittsville. And the LRT, once Phase 2 is complete, would make the arena easily accessible to most of the city.

It's also about the need for additional revenue streams, and given the area around the CTC, there's really no opportunity to develop much of anything, let alone pricey condos or an entertainment district. It's the sad reality of the original plans for the Palladium falling through.
 

topshelf15

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All the outer suburbs took off when the arena was built - Kanata, Orleans and Barrhaven. That's because there was no affordable suburban land in the greenbelt for the most part, outside of the south end near Bank & Hunt Club.

The arena didn't make Kanata boom - the big high tech parks along March Road did, and those were there before the arena.
And the golfcourse,yes I know ...My flooring business did very well in that area for many a year,the Arena did have a very large impact on the area in how fast the growth continued ,and after the tech bubble burst..It was still going
 

DaveMatthew

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So when Anderson said he wanted a trade probably because there was too much drama in the dressing room, does he also love to open his mouth? A lot of players are hinting that the room was dysfunctional last yr & so much better now, are they all wrong too? It seems to me that as more players speak up, we are getting a clearer picture as to the source of the problems in the room & with the team.

The room was so bad that Matt Duchene was traded here and scored 2 goals in his first 20 games as we fell out of the playoff race by December. All because of the room!

But Mark Stone said on Friday that Karlsson wasn't a problem and he thought it was unfortunate that the team moved him.

Which confirmed my suspicions. It was Dion Phaneuf and the ghost of Marc Methot that caused the issues.

If Borowiecki said that it makes sense though. He also tried to take out Duchene with a slapper in practice, as we heard in the Uber video. He's got his eye on the captaincy next year and has to clear the way.
 
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Ice-Tray

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I think it’s great that everyone has been saying the right things lately. It appears like maybe there has been closure, and at least on our end everyone is happy and have moved on, team and player-wise of course.
 

GoSensGo

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They also lost two great Slovaks (Hossa & Chara) because of money & the same owner. We should have a poll Slovaks or Swedes? If I had a choice I'd take the Slovaks over the Swedes but I'm quite sure the Swedes would win on this board. :laugh:

Does it have to be a contest? There is one great Slovak who still has a home in Ottawa, even after all these years in Beantown....and I still believe if we had him, Anaheim may have been a different experience! I am at the point that I refuse to put a player name or number on my jersey, because it is pretty much guaranteed they will be traded if I do that.

Loved our Swedes, loved our Slovaks, and really liked a certain Russian with the initials AV too :)
 

aragorn

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I get that, but here's the thing: far more people live in the rest of Ottawa than Kanata, Stittsville, or the fringes closer to the CTC. Heck, moving to Lebreton would allow the team to really appeal to people in Gatineau, which last I checked has a population that dwarfs Kanata-Stittsville. And the LRT, once Phase 2 is complete, would make the arena easily accessible to most of the city.

It's also about the need for additional revenue streams, and given the area around the CTC, there's really no opportunity to develop much of anything, let alone pricey condos or an entertainment district. It's the sad reality of the original plans for the Palladium falling through.

I have two problems with this, first, the vast majority of the hockey fans in Gatineau are Montreal Canadian fans, moving an arena closer to them is not going to change that. It's been my experience with so many francophone friends that most are not going to switch allegiance regardless if they move downtown or not. When Montreal comes to town, they come out in droves to see their team same as when the leafs come to town their fans also come out in droves. The team has been here for 25 yrs & suddenly moving the arena downtown will not change that for either Leaf or Hab fans IMO.

Of course there is an opportunity to develop the land around the CTC & it's been happening for 25 yrs. If EM would have gotten the go ahead to build a casino/hotel complex as he wanted the area would have grown even quicker & maybe they would had the LTR go out that way. IMO if he can get a gambling license from this new government in Queens Park he could essentially try & redo that casino project but IMO this mayor & city council are constantly at odds with what he wants to do & keep thwarting him. There is & has been a divide between this owner & the mayor & city council since those things first occurred & it seems to continue to this day.

Even the partnership with Ruddy seems disingenuous since he seemed to be friends with the mayor & city council. They didn't seem to have any problems offering him free money to clean up the soil & allowing his company to build the tallest building in the history of the city. Something doesn't smell right but then again EM could be the one who torpedoes everything with his stupidity, who really knows for sure?

Seems like the Citizen has a good pulse of the situation :laugh:


That told us nothing new ... this sentence confuses me, "The city has put so many precious things in Melnyk’s hands and been hurt. Can the relationship be repaired?"

Exactly what things are they talking about that this city has done for him & how were they hurt? They wouldn't give him the soccer franchise or the casino, so what "things" are they referring to? He lost a lot more than the city did, he should be the one who was hurt by it. I don't get it? The NCC offered the Lebreton location, not the city. This mayor & the last city councils seem to have voted against him several times, how exactly have they been hurt?

EM is a dickhead but he has clearly done a lot for the city with this franchise, bringing the NHL allstar game, the draft, the classic (which he ruined himself), charities, Roger's House & more. The only difference I can surmise between the Redblacks & the Sens is that ownership of the Redblacks are from this city & well connected downtown & EM is not & has had heated battles with the mayor for preventing him from doing what he wanted in Kanata. Maybe they always had the Lebreton project downtown in the back of their minds for the Sens but why torpedo that with the Albert St project? Something doesn't smell right, maybe it's politics, maybe it's just business between the rich, who knows?
 

FlyingJ

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I have two problems with this, first, the vast majority of the hockey fans in Gatineau are Montreal Canadian fans, moving an arena closer to them is not going to change that. It's been my experience with so many francophone friends that most are not going to switch allegiance regardless if they move downtown or not. When Montreal comes to town, they come out in droves to see their team same as when the leafs come to town their fans also come out in droves. The team has been here for 25 yrs & suddenly moving the arena downtown will not change that for either Leaf or Hab fans IMO.

Not immediately, but if the Sens ever want to grow their fandom in Gatineau over the next generation or two, moving downtown would definitely help. There's a serious opportunity to really grow the fandom there, and a much larger one than in Kanata.

Of course there is an opportunity to develop the land around the CTC & it's been happening for 25 yrs.

Oh yeah, man. After the game, all the cool kids want to hang out at the Tanger Outlet Mall, with its hip and happening nightlife scene! Or the Kanata autopark! Freakin' jumpin' after a game!

I'm talking about a legitimate entertainment scene with bars, restaurants, etc. right outside the arena. Think Lansdowne, or heck, the Scotiabank Arena/ACC, where I can walk a mere 5 minutes and find plenty of options. Where are they going to build that near the CTC without gutting the parking lot that is a necessity given the arena's location relative to where the majority of people in the city live? The closest nightlife scene right now is the Centrum, and that is quite a ways to walk, especially in winter. And the Sens don't own any stake in the Centrum.

Also, nobody is buying a pricey condo to live near the autopark.

If EM would have gotten the go ahead to build a casino/hotel complex as he wanted the area would have grown even quicker & maybe they would had the LTR go out that way.

IMO if he can get a gambling license from this new government in Queens Park he could essentially try & redo that casino project but IMO this mayor & city council are constantly at odds with what he wants to do & keep thwarting him. There is & has been a divide between this owner & the mayor & city council since those things first occurred & it seems to continue to this day.

Perhaps, though I doubt it. A hotel/casino would be pretty luxurious and attract a certain type of crowd, one that owns nice cars. They wouldn't be riding an LRT out there. Also, would a casino really attract people to live in the area or other businesses? I would think it would do the opposite. Why would I move my young family to live near a casino?

If the tech park and arena already being there didn't get LRT to Kanata, I don't think this would have tipped the scale. Heck, were many people in Kanata pushing for LRT until AFTER the Phase 2 plan was announced and didn't include Kanata? Seems like prior to the announcement people out there were quite content with the highway expansions. Say what you will about the LRT going all the way out to Trim, but the councilors in the east end lobbied the provincial and federal governments hard. What were the west end councilors doing?

Granted, now that we've got Glen Gower representing Stittsville at City Hall we can look forward to every council meeting devolving into speeches about how Stittsville deserves everything over other parts of the city. So...yay :p

While I found City Hall's strong refusal on a casino in Kanata a tad odd, I can also see them thinking "why are we allowing the construction of a new casino out in the suburbs, which is primarily for family dwellings?" While the Raceway is in the boonies, at least it was already there.

Even the partnership with Ruddy seems disingenuous since he seemed to be friends with the mayor & city council. They didn't seem to have any problems offering him free money to clean up the soil & allowing his company to build the tallest building in the history of the city. Something doesn't smell right but then again EM could be the one who torpedoes everything with his stupidity, who really knows for sure?

Yes, Trinity is cozy with City Hall. They've worked to build that relationship up. It's the unfortunate reality of politics.

As for 900 Albert, a big reason City Hall jumped at that opportunity wasn't just the relationship with Trinty, but because the project served as a prime example of the kind of major development they've claimed the LRT will spur, which helps justify the line. While Watson et al may dislike Melnyk, they were also pushing hard for LeBreton to get done.
 
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Nac Mac Feegle

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I have two problems with this, first, the vast majority of the hockey fans in Gatineau are Montreal Canadian fans, moving an arena closer to them is not going to change that. It's been my experience with so many francophone friends that most are not going to switch allegiance regardless if they move downtown or not. When Montreal comes to town, they come out in droves to see their team same as when the leafs come to town their fans also come out in droves. The team has been here for 25 yrs & suddenly moving the arena downtown will not change that for either Leaf or Hab fans IMO.

Of course there is an opportunity to develop the land around the CTC & it's been happening for 25 yrs. If EM would have gotten the go ahead to build a casino/hotel complex as he wanted the area would have grown even quicker & maybe they would had the LTR go out that way. IMO if he can get a gambling license from this new government in Queens Park he could essentially try & redo that casino project but IMO this mayor & city council are constantly at odds with what he wants to do & keep thwarting him. There is & has been a divide between this owner & the mayor & city council since those things first occurred & it seems to continue to this day.

Even the partnership with Ruddy seems disingenuous since he seemed to be friends with the mayor & city council. They didn't seem to have any problems offering him free money to clean up the soil & allowing his company to build the tallest building in the history of the city. Something doesn't smell right but then again EM could be the one who torpedoes everything with his stupidity, who really knows for sure?



That told us nothing new ... this sentence confuses me, "The city has put so many precious things in Melnyk’s hands and been hurt. Can the relationship be repaired?"

Exactly what things are they talking about that this city has done for him & how were they hurt? They wouldn't give him the soccer franchise or the casino, so what "things" are they referring to? He lost a lot more than the city did, he should be the one who was hurt by it. I don't get it? The NCC offered the Lebreton location, not the city. This mayor & the last city councils seem to have voted against him several times, how exactly have they been hurt?

EM is a ******** but he has clearly done a lot for the city with this franchise, bringing the NHL allstar game, the draft, the classic (which he ruined himself), charities, Roger's House & more. The only difference I can surmise between the Redblacks & the Sens is that ownership of the Redblacks are from this city & well connected downtown & EM is not & has had heated battles with the mayor for preventing him from doing what he wanted in Kanata. Maybe they always had the Lebreton project downtown in the back of their minds for the Sens but why torpedo that with the Albert St project? Something doesn't smell right, maybe it's politics, maybe it's just business between the rich, who knows?

I don't think Ottawa could handle another casino. Not with whatever expansion they did at the racetrack.
 

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"I would say I'm more disappointed with how this played out," Bettman said Monday at the NHL board of governors meetings. "But these are complicated matters."

After reading/listening to a bunch of coverage, I honestly think Betteman is upset with Melnyk's lawsuit. Betteman is not one to use the nuclear option (except with the PA) so in my opinion Betteman would have preferred quiet behind the scenes negotiations with Ruddy, Melnyk and NHL participation. Just the impression I got.
 

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"I would say I'm more disappointed with how this played out," Bettman said Monday at the NHL board of governors meetings. "But these are complicated matters."

After reading/listening to a bunch of coverage, I honestly think Betteman is upset with Melnyk's lawsuit. Betteman is not one to use the nuclear option (except with the PA) so in my opinion Betteman would have preferred quiet behind the scenes negotiations with Ruddy, Melnyk and NHL participation. Just the impression I got.

Bettman aint in charge, he also said the project isnt viable.
He also said the NHL does not go where its not wanted, odd thing to bring up out of nowhere in a statement.
Chasing EM out of town might be running off the team itself.
 

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The time to purge Gene is right now, while his business interests are dying on the vine, and the team is on the rise. The right owner could have us in serious contention in 2 quick years:

At the 1/3 mark of the schedule, we have 3 top 31 scorers, as many as any other team (OK the Leafs would have 4, except for the Matthews injury). League average is of course 1.

We have youth on the rise in Tkachuk, Batherson, Formenton and others, and Gustafsson on the way.

For the future we really only need some top 4 d at this point, and have the spare talent to deal to get them by packaging Tierney, Boedker, picks, Ceci (sucker GM needed), picks + project defensemen. Or grab a free agent or 2.

If non-GENEius gets to execute his bottom out plan of dumping Stone and Duchene, we will be set back for many seasons, and we will be hoping/praying the youth produces top line talent. As of now, if they are above average 2nd liners we should be a top scoring team in 2 years.

Someone who can afford to sign the stars, buy out Bobbie and replenish the defense should be able to be a contender for several years right off the bat.

They have a Sens fan for Life program - maybe we should have a Melnyk Non-fan For Life badge program.
 

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somebody mentioned to me this past week that Roger Greenberg covered Sens payroll 3 times in the past year and they were quite confident in this information.

Has anyone heard anything similar?
 

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somebody mentioned to me this past week that Roger Greenberg covered Sens payroll 3 times in the past year and they were quite confident in this information.

Has anyone heard anything similar?

Yes I have heard Melnyk has not been able to make the payments not just to payrole but to Aramark as well. Aramark arrears are pretty common knowledge.
 
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BonHoonLayneCornell

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somebody mentioned to me this past week that Roger Greenberg covered Sens payroll 3 times in the past year and they were quite confident in this information.

Has anyone heard anything similar?
How is he connected to the Senators? Or, is this just someone Eugene approached for a short term loan?

If there's truth to this, isn't missing payroll a pretty big deal?
 

stempniaksen

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How is he connected to the Senators? Or, is this just someone Eugene approached for a short term loan?

If there's truth to this, isn't missing payroll a pretty big deal?

If they actually missed it would be. Obviously if that rumour is true Euge took care of it before getting to that point. Still good news for the #MelnykOut campaign if true.
 
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harrisb

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If they actually missed it would be. Obviously if that rumour is true Euge took care of it before getting to that point. Still good news for the #MelnykOut campaign if true.
Considering the NHL line of credit available to the team the only way he would reach out to a third party was if that was maxed out....
 

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Considering the NHL line of credit available to the team the only way he would reach out to a third party was if that was maxed out....

I thought it was established that the line of credit was "probably" maxed out (and this is why we've been getting those press releases from the team stating the $30 million LOC, ect). Could be making it up though, take it with a big grain of salt :laugh:
 

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Even the partnership with Ruddy seems disingenuous since he seemed to be friends with the mayor & city council. They didn't seem to have any problems offering him free money to clean up the soil & allowing his company to build the tallest building in the history of the city. Something doesn't smell right but then again EM could be the one who torpedoes everything with his stupidity, who really knows for sure?


The City did not offer the RLG "free money" to cleanup the soil, that falls within the NCCs purview.

Now the City did grant the zoning and height changes for Ruddy/Trinity..... altering the original plans for the 900 Albert site ....... and that seemed "funny" at the time, and perhaps now a little shady.
 
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harrisb

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I thought it was established that the line of credit was "probably" maxed out (and this is why we've been getting those press releases from the team stating the $30 million LOC, ect). Could be making it up though, take it with a big grain of salt :laugh:
135m loan + 100m LoC + 30m LoC = Trouble brewing lol
 
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