Speculation: #Melnkyout...The time is NOW!

[Egg]

but they aren't going to be blacklisted for alluding to the circus the owner created here as the reason they wouldn't sign.

Diplomacy in the public eye, goes a long way in a buttoned up league like the NHL.

Why leave with any parting shots. It looks bad on the player.

If you have worked in management, you will understand how negatively this will affect a player's standing, vs taking the high road and moving on.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Diplomacy in the public eye, goes a long way in a buttoned up league like the NHL.

Why leave with any parting shots. It looks bad on the player.

If you have worked in management, you will understand how negatively this will affect a player's standing, vs taking the high road and moving on.

You may see it as parting shots, but these are human beings with big personalities that may not be satisfied with letting the organization have the last word. Like we just saw with Karlsson, he wanted his chance to say his piece as well and not let them get the last word after the organization threw him and Hoffman under the bus.

Going on and on about the drama may not go over well, but I'm more referring to comments like the ones Alfie, Karlsson, Burrows and Spezza made after leaving. Things like, "I wanted to go to a franchise that's committed to winning and willing to do what it takes" or "I wanted to sign with a team with the resources available to put together a winning team" or "we've all heard the talk about the owner, it's out there"

Obviously we're not going to get a bunch of real comments about how Melnyk is a terrible person, treats employees like shit, and runs his team like his inbred son he has locked in the basement, but veiled comments about not wanting to re-up because of the realities we all see should be encouraged imo. Get the message out there that it's not just the fans and media that see it, the players do too and it is hurting a franchise in the league. The other owners care more about protecting the value of the team than they do about one mentally unstable owner.

Don't have to be slimy, just a small dose of candid truth. You seem to see it as all the other owners support Melnyk regardless of his actions and that players and fans should all just shut up, accept it, and pay anyways. That's not for me.

 

[bert]

It's the same reason you don't bash your prior workplace (or employer) during an interview. If you can't see how this can hurt your career, that's fine.

Guaranteed the players fed up but remaining silent, can.



Nobody truly knows how bad, unless you have worked for him.

We only know based on any reports or lawsuits put up against him. They don't tell the full scale of the problem.

Saying exactly how bad things are, are blatant is you knowing exactly what is going on behind closed doors which would be false.

Well sure you can use this logic if you are a dime a dozen worker but when you are top 5 in your position and its extremely obvious that what Melnyk is doing to this franchise is detrimental in every way possible its not the same situation.

I know how bad because I know people who have worked for him. I also have first hand knowledge that is public knowledge to the people who know Karlsson that he would not re-sign with the team if Melnyk is involved. He wasnt hiding talking about it thats for sure.

A few weeks ago I went to Montreal to catch a Habs game because a friend of mine plays on the team we had a few beers after and he brought up the Ottawa situation. His exact words 'No one that has the choice to sign elsewhere will sign in Ottawa with whats gone on, no one wants to play there with all the uncertainty'. If you dont think players talk or people have no idea whats going on behind closed doors you are incredibly naive.

 

[Egg]

Don't have to be slimy, just a small dose of candid truth.

I think we are in agreement, to be honest.

What Karlsson did, was fair. Honest, but professional. There was no way he was walking away the villain in this, and I don't blame him. He has invested so much time and effort into this community, so I have no problem with him making things right to the fans.

He didn't have to, but he left with his head high and a clear conscience.

Melnyk could learn a thing or two from that.

Alfredsson in my opinions parting words came from the heart, too.

Harsher, but still put down professionally. Anything less, would have left a stain on his reputation. Glad it didn't. Fans won't remember him for that, mercifully.

If you choose your words carefully, yes you can put forth some parting words.

However, I am eluding to messier breakups, where dirty laundry was aired out in public.

I think of people like Patrick Roy, or some humiliating comments Melnyk openly made about some of his staff. Not cool. I still respect Roy, but some comments from Melnyk, were uncalled for. That's what I am eluding to.

I wouldn't work for someone who would humiliate me in public. I don't blame any other athletes who feel the same.

It looks horrible on the person making the comments, in that setting.

You're right. You have employees who have feelings. Sure this is a business, but forgetting the above will come back to bite you in the butt.

Once you have a goalie graveyard reputation or reputation for ruining careers, you will be hard pressed to attract talent. Retaining, will be even harder.

 

[Egg]

If you dont think players talk or people have no idea whats going on behind closed doors you are incredibly naive.

I think players talk. There is no secret. Ottawa is a toxic team to play for. The owner is toxic to work for.

He has way too much control of his team.

But you will be hard pressed to have a player bluntly air him out in public. Point being made.

He is a horrible owner. No doubt about it. Worst one Ottawa has ever had.

This was a respected team, he turned into a side show.

But a boycott won't change things.

Melnyk will fight until his last breath.

Unless you can legally force him to leave, the boycott is false hope for Sens fans.

 

[Sensung]

I think players talk. There is no secret. Ottawa is a toxic team to play for. The owner is toxic to work for.

He has way too much control of his team.

But you will be hard pressed to have a player bluntly air him out in public. Point being made.

He is a horrible owner. No doubt about it. Worst one Ottawa has ever had.

This was a respected team, he turned into a side show.

But a boycott won't change things.

Melnyk will fight until his last breath.

Unless you can legally force him to leave, the boycott is false hope for Sens fans.

The boycott is designed to punish Melnyk for all the things you listed and make him feel the pain he promised was coming.

He's in a tight spot so the more pressure the fans can bring, the more likely he is to sell.

 

[Egg]

The boycott is designed to punish Melnyk for all the things you listed and make him feel the pain he promised was coming.

That's where we disagree. Its punishing the wrong people, and will not force him to sell before he is good and ready to.

 

[Sensung]

That's where we disagree. Its punishing the wrong people, and will not force him to sell before he is good and ready to.

It will put pressure on him to sell and cost him money if he refuses.

Win-Win

 

[Egg]

It will put pressure on him to sell and cost him money if he refuses.

The latter ultimately truly only hurts the Ottawa Senators, and the fans.

If he genuinely cared about the team, he would've stepped down by now.

He'll just cut costs to cover his losses, and hate to say it, but unless you can manage to empty the area almost in full every single night, you'll struggle to send a very strong message. A few thousands will attend night in and night out, and once this team can consistently compete, expect that number to swell.

With that said, if you want to feel this actually does anything, I won't stop you. I'll continue supporting the team, and am actually quite disappointed will be out of town on Saturday, or would've bought tickets to that game.

 

[supsens]

Another Gem.



Lol can wait to hear the comeback he has for this one.

Just go home @supsens you're done.

The owner refuses to lose money, that team loses money. How does that go against what I am saying?

 

[supsens]

It will put pressure on him to sell and cost him money if he refuses.

Win-Win

No money for paying star players. Ya huge win.

 

[Sensung]

No money for paying star players. Ya huge win.

He isn’t paying for any of our star players with or without the boycott.

This way, he loses more money in the process.

 

[Sensung]

The owner refuses to lose money, that team loses money. How does that go against what I am saying?

Did you read the article?

Refusing to “lose money” on any aspect of your business operations (especially when you load it up with debt) is idiotic.

Using those paper loses to bash the fanbase is disingenuous and ludicrous.

 

[supsens]

Did you read the article?

Refusing to “lose money” on any aspect of your business operations (especially when you load it up with debt) is idiotic.

Using those paper loses to bash the fanbase is disingenuous and ludicrous.

Refusing to lose money is idiotic? Lol wow. Im fairly sure I can just leave that out there, it speaks for itself.
Lose money not 'lose money'
He will not fund the team with other sources of income. Now as big of a meatball as he is noone has the right to be upset at anyone if they wont had out free money. And honestly if you dont contribute to a company and you dont pay for its service why on earth would you care what they do? And why would they give a crap what you think?

 

[supsens]

Did you read the article?

Refusing to “lose money” on any aspect of your business operations (especially when you load it up with debt) is idiotic.

Using those paper loses to bash the fanbase is disingenuous and ludicrous.

Ok. The sens are the keys to a $4billion development deal, then you would have to agree selling the team would be idiotic, even with 'loses' correct?
Sooo where does that leave the big plan to make EM run off?

 

[Micklebot]

Ok. The sens are the keys to a $4billion development deal, then you would have to agree selling the team would be idiotic, even with 'loses' correct?
Sooo where does that leave the big plan to make EM run off?

You don't think people would pay a premium to be part of that $4 billion deal? I'm really not seeing your logic here; he can't sell because he'd miss out on the development deal, and perspective buyers are what? Unaware of the development deal and thus unwilling to compensate Melnyk for any potential it has?

 

[supsens]

You don't think people would pay a premium to be part of that $4 billion deal? I'm really not seeing your logic here; he can't sell because he'd miss out on the development deal, and perspective buyers are what? Unaware of the development deal and thus unwilling to compensate Melnyk for any potential it has?

He said he does not want to sell. He will hold out untill the city or some developer gives him a wicked areana deal. If he has a legit beef in that lawsuit I doubt he gets paid anything close to what he want but he will be allowed to bid again.

 

[Sensung]

Refusing to lose money is idiotic? Lol wow. Im fairly sure I can just leave that out there, it speaks for itself.
Lose money not 'lose money'
He will not fund the team with other sources of income. Now as big of a meatball as he is noone has the right to be upset at anyone if they wont had out free money. And honestly if you dont contribute to a company and you dont pay for its service why on earth would you care what they do? And why would they give a crap what you think?

Did you read the article?

 

[supsens]

Did you read the article?

I agreed he would be an idiot to sell

 

[Tuna99]

It’s crazy how the entire city has changed attitudes on Melnyck - from he mayors office to the fan in the 300 section with the cheapest seat.

Melnyck once viewed as a saviour is now viewed as a man who is holding up the ambitions of he entire city to see its vision for the future core of the city.

When Melnyxk bought the team the downtown of Ottawa was considered dead and Kanata was everything. Now Kantanis dying and the downtown is everything, the saviour is a bum.

Even Alfies rep took a hit.

 

[Micklebot]

I agreed he would be an idiot to sell

If the deal falls apart thanks to a rift between him and Ruddy and Lebreton doesn't get built, he'll have been an idiot to not take the substantial offer that was rumour to have already been made.

There is risk in selling, and risk in not selling. Only time will tell which option was the right one, but I'm not convinced Melnyk is the type to play well with others, so anything that relies on a partnership is probably high risk.

 

[Sensung]

I agreed he would be an idiot to sell

So you didn’t read the article?

Lightning owner building legacy of winning, community involvement

“Losing Money” on one arbitrarily divided portion of your business is immaterial if your businesss operations as a whole make money and your ROI on your asset is showing massive profits.

Do yourself a favour and read the article. TB and Ottawa have very similar revenue streams, but the business model both owners have taken are diametrically opposed.

One franchise is being lauded as the best in all of pro sports by ESPN and the other has the owner admitting they are in the dumpster.

 

[supsens]

So you didn’t read the article?

Lightning owner building legacy of winning, community involvement

“Losing Money” on one arbitrarily divided portion of your business is immaterial if your businesss operations as a whole make money and your ROI on your asset is showing massive profits.

Do yourself a favour and read the article. TB and Ottawa have very similar revenue streams, but the business model both owners have taken are diametrically opposed.

One franchise is being lauded as the best in all of pro sports by ESPN and the other has the owner admitting they are in the dumpster.

First I think EM is doing a shit job, but it's his team, there is a budget and the budget is tied to revenue, he will cut costs anyway he can, I am not a fan of that, I sure as shit am not defending it. But it is what it is.
Second the last numbers I saw the sens made 10 million, since then he has cut many more millions in player costs, that does not include the 15-20? He makes of the rink and lease, I don't see the loss in attendance hitting enough of the budget to bankrupt anything, I do see it making sure there is no money for star players. So this boycott that makes you happy and feel like your doing good pisses me off because I see enough money gone to hurt the player budget and nothing else. But thats a personal choice so do what you must.
Third ya all need to lighten up once in a while.

 

[Sensung]

First I think EM is doing a **** job, but it's his team, there is a budget and the budget is tied to revenue, he will cut costs anyway he can, I am not a fan of that, I sure as **** am not defending it. But it is what it is.
Second the last numbers I saw the sens made 10 million, since then he has cut many more millions in player costs, that does not include the 15-20? He makes of the rink and lease, I don't see the loss in attendance hitting enough of the budget to bankrupt anything, I do see it making sure there is no money for star players. So this boycott that makes you happy and feel like your doing good pisses me off because I see enough money gone to hurt the player budget and nothing else. But thats a personal choice so do what you must.
Third ya all need to lighten up once in a while.

It is Melynk’s team and he is reaping the rewards of doing a shit job.

You are all over the place with your claims regarding the Sens finances and ignore the facts when they are presented. If you want to have a reasonable discussion, you need to bring a lot more to the table. If not, please refrain from commenting.

 

[supsens]

It is Melynk’s team and he is reaping the rewards of doing a **** job.

You are all over the place with your claims regarding the Sens finances and ignore the facts when they are presented. If you want to have a reasonable discussion, you need to bring a lot more to the table. If not, please refrain from commenting.

How am I all over the place? Forbs last report said the sens made 10 million. You seem to shut down and close your eyes when you cant handle facts. I made no claim I stated the facts. Way to deflect tho
I don't need to do anything, you dont control what other people can add to a conversation. Sorry you cant handle the truth