Meier knee Necas

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Again, did you just completely make up a narrative about this based on a Twitter search along the lines of “Necas knee”? Because that’s what it looks like you did.

Necas should go into Olympic diving if he doesn't want to play a contact sport, more his speed. Tough scenes having to defend everything the guy does

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I think more than anything what tells me the potential injury didn't impact calling it a major is the complete lack of game management after the fact. Refs hate being shown up by players so if they thought Necas sold the injury to draw a major they'd have found something to call against Carolina to either wipe out another 2 mins of the penalty or to give Jersey a PP later in the game and a chance to tie.

Hell, Orlov served them that opportunity on a silver platter when he went back after Haula and all that happened was matching roughings. They could have easily thrown an extra penalty at Orlov to give Jersey the PP and didn't.

 

[IDEKWTM]

"Just kill the penalty"

LMAO

 

[Score08]

Fire these officials immediately, they are not suited to being NHL refs. Clear sell job to influence a call.

 

[Golden_Jet]

And for something actually somewhat germane to the thread, here’s Tim Stutzle diving/embellishing/laying on the ice to draw a kneeing penalty before playing on the ensuing power play (a la Necas):

Ahh ya that one. Embellishment lmao Dude. You’re obviously a poor judge.

You conveniently left out he missed the next 4 games with a knee injury, and then returned having to wear a knee brace.
Why did you leave out that part? Didn’t fit your narrative.

 

[DevilDog]

No supplemental discipline means the refs got the call wrong. Necas is a flopping fraud.

 

[Tryamw]

No supplemental discipline means the refs got the call wrong. Necas is a flopping fraud.

Infers facts not in evidence.
And there is no automatic suspension .

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Can we change this threads title to Meier did nothing wrong and it was a clean hit....Thanks

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Can we change this threads title to Meier did nothing wrong and it was a clean hit....Thanks

It would be better to change it to ‘Meier knees Necas and receives an appropriate 5 minute major. State of NJ covered in foot of salt.’

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Necas should go into Olympic diving if he doesn't want to play a contact sport, more his speed. Tough scenes having to defend everything the guy does

So days later, you’re still not able to comprehend the concept of a player being hurt/in pain in the moment but not actually injured to the point of needing to leave the game.

It’s crazy how much this Necas incident has completely rattled you off of any semblance of common sense. You’re adhering to a total fallacy and are now just fishing up incidents that you think support your point but just further display your unrelenting belief in a fallacy.

Here’s what happened in this latest rush to fill your agenda from this four year old incident. You saw Necas grab his knee after what was virtually no knee contact. Excitedly seeing what appeared to be an undeniable dive, you posted the clip. Then, it was pointed out that what actually happened was Necas’ foot was caught underneath a player and twisted AND that he was indeed grabbing his foot/ankle and not his knee. Instead of deciding to acknowledge the completely obvious fact that your bias had led you to view the play differently in the moment and that it wasn’t what you originally saw and didn’t at all prove or support any of your prior points, you squirmed and called it “semantics”. What it actually was was a perfect example of your own bias dictating your perception.

Seriously, you could not have made a more incriminating post of the pitfall of your own perception than this latest post. You’re going to deny it to the high heavens, but it’s right out there.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No supplemental discipline means the refs got the call wrong. Necas is a flopping fraud.

lol no bias there. Seems like they called it by the rule book, shocking I know.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

It would be better to change it to ‘Meier knees Necas and receives an appropriate 5 minute major. State of NJ covered in foot of salt.’

Meier goes to hit Necas try's to avoid and makes it worse then stays down and goes off ice only to quickly return to the ice....Don't u think if there was a great deal of knee pain they would have kept him off longer just to be cautious of injuring it further? A good hit is a good hit if a player alters his path to try to avoid the hit and gets hurt in the process doesn't make the hit dirty...Bad call reason we lost no but a bad call nonetheless....Did Necas feel pain I don't doubt that he did ....what I find wrong is how quick he went back out on the ice....that's what makes it look like he embellished it...

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

So days later, you’re still not able to comprehend the concept of a player being hurt/in pain in the moment but not actually injured to the point of needing to leave the game.

It’s crazy how much this Necas incident has completely rattled you off of any semblance of common sense. You’re adhering to a total fallacy and are now just fishing up incidents that you think support your point but just further display your unrelenting belief in a fallacy.

Here’s what happened in this latest rush to fill your agenda from this four year old incident. You saw Necas grab his knee after what was virtually no knee contact. Excitedly seeing what appeared to be an undeniable dive, you posted the clip. Then, it was pointed out that what actually happened was Necas’ foot was caught underneath a player and twisted AND that he was indeed grabbing his foot/ankle and not his knee. Instead of deciding to acknowledge the completely obvious fact that your bias had led you to view the play differently in the moment and that it wasn’t what you originally saw and didn’t at all prove or support any of your prior points, you squirmed and called it “semantics”. What it actually was was a perfect example of your own bias dictating your perception.

Seriously, you could not have made a more incriminating post of the pitfall of your own perception than this latest post. You’re going to deny it to the high heavens, but it’s right out there.

Yawn, get back to me when you actually type coherent thoughts and not 4 paragraphs of complete world salad to fill a word count to make you look like you know anything you're talking about. I posted the incident because a beyond harmless looking play he once again exaggerated to the gills which would indicate that the diving moniker he got fits. The Canes fan didn't even reply to the following post where he got asked if Necas missed time from it which is ironic because he probably missed 0 time from it but we're wrapped about semantics about knee v ankle.


Martin Necas Injuries - NHL | FOX Sports

Gee, shocking, nothing lower body around the time period that play happened.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Yawn, get back to me when you actually type coherent thoughts and not 4 paragraphs of complete world salad to fill a word count to make you look like you know anything you're talking about.

Ah yes, “word salad”. That everyone but you (Canes fans and not) seems to have understood clearly.

But of course you understood it perfectly fine as well. you’re not fooling anyone.

 

[ijuka]

The hit was fine, and the only reason it even was an awkward collision is because Necas tried to dodge the hit.

Learn to take the hit.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Ah yes, “word salad”. That everyone but you (Canes fans and not) seems to have understood clearly.

But of course you understood it perfectly fine as well. you’re not fooling anyone.

Seems like they are fooling themselves though. Quite foolish indeed

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Yawn, get back to me when you actually type coherent thoughts and not 4 paragraphs of complete world salad to fill a word count to make you look like you know anything you're talking about. I posted the incident because a beyond harmless looking play he once again exaggerated to the gills which would indicate that the diving moniker he got fits. The Canes fan didn't even reply to the following post where he got asked if Necas missed time from it which is ironic because he probably missed 0 time from it but we're wrapped about semantics about knee v ankle.


Martin Necas Injuries - NHL | FOX Sports

Gee, shocking, nothing lower body around the time period that play happened.

Your claim is that because Necas has a reputation as a diver, he’s inevitably faking (regardless of any video evidence showing severity of impact) whenever he stays down after contact but doesn’t exit the game. This happens in plenty of circumstances throughout the season to many different players all around the league. You don’t suddenly gain definitive knowledge of a player’s intentions or pain level on all contact plays because of a negative reputation.

As an example from own team, Charlie McAvoy gets banged up seemingly every other game and gets attended to on the ice and usually returns quickly. It happens on both questionable plays as well as clearly legal contact. Is he a wimp with a low pain tolerance? I don’t know, maybe. But he’s clearly not just faking injury all the time, especially as it’s usually happening on plays that have no probability of being penalties.

Going back to the original play here, I’m not sure what you’re looking for. Regardless of Meier’s intent (none, IMO), and the penalty call (should have been 2 mins IMO), you can’t look at that sort of contact as a reasonable person and simply claim that Necas showing injury immediately after was “faking” because of prior reputation and the fact that he didn’t end up heading to the locker room. His knee got cranked in a very awkward direction. That’s going to hurt for some length of time. He got lucky and while he was already up on his feet, the refs (for whatever their reason, after watching multiple replays repeatedly) deemed it a major. He wasn’t just laying on the ice as the refs carried out their review. Clearly they could see that he wasn’t gravely injured.

I get the frustration with the penalty. But you’re overreaching by a comical margin to watch that video and then claim that, because Necas stayed down for a length of time and has a reputation, there’s no way he could have been legitimately hurt at the time.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

After their hot start the Canes have fallen off, so it's unlikely this will affect Metro playoff seeding. Though if it does

 

[tarheelhockey]

Don't u think if there was a great deal of knee pain they would have kept him off longer just to be cautious of injuring it further?

I really hate the “you obviously never played sports” card, but this is one of several similar comments in this thread.

No, as a professional athlete, he’s not just going to sit in the locker room and miss time if he’s already walked off the pain and there’s no reason to think there was any ongoing damage to the joint or muscle. The entire purpose of getting checked is to determine the extent of injury… if the extent is “it hurt at first but I’m good now”, the player gets right back in the game. This is common from like… 5 years old when athletes are taught to distinguish between pain (fear) and actual injury.

So no, they’re not just going to make him sit in the locker room and miss time for no reason. Especially not if he’s actively pushing to get back on the ice ASAP.

Yawn, get back to me when you actually type coherent thoughts and not 4 paragraphs of complete world salad to fill a word count to make you look like you know anything you're talking about. I posted the incident because a beyond harmless looking play he once again exaggerated to the gills which would indicate that the diving moniker he got fits. The Canes fan didn't even reply to the following post where he got asked if Necas missed time from it which is ironic because he probably missed 0 time from it but we're wrapped about semantics about knee v ankle.


Martin Necas Injuries - NHL | FOX Sports

Gee, shocking, nothing lower body around the time period that play happened.

Again, you can plainly see in both these incidents why he went down in pain. In the older clip you can see Amadio fall on his foot causing his ankle to twist sideways. In the recent hit, you can see his leg torquing completely sideways.

The fact that you think a player should pop up instantly from that sort of thing, or that they otherwise should miss an extended amount of time… again, the “you obviously never played a sport” card sucks but it’s the only explanation here. Anyone who’s played a contact sport has experienced injuries like these and run the gamut between actual injury and 2 minutes of pain and fear recovery before you jump back in to play.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

The hit was fine, and the only reason it even was an awkward collision is because Necas tried to dodge the hit.

Learn to take the hit.

Timo agrees

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I really hate the “you obviously never played sports” card, but this is one of several similar comments in this thread.

No, as a professional athlete, he’s not just going to sit in the locker room and miss time if he’s already walked off the pain and there’s no reason to think there was any ongoing damage to the joint or muscle. The entire purpose of getting checked is to determine the extent of injury… if the extent is “it hurt at first but I’m good now”, the player gets right back in the game. This is common from like… 5 years old when athletes are taught to distinguish between pain (fear) and actual injury.

So no, they’re not just going to make him sit in the locker room and miss time for no reason. Especially not if he’s actively pushing to get back on the ice ASAP.



Again, you can plainly see in both these incidents why he went down in pain. In the older clip you can see Amadio fall on his foot causing his ankle to twist sideways. In the recent hit, you can see his leg torquing completely sideways.

The fact that you think a player should pop up instantly from that sort of thing, or that they otherwise should miss an extended amount of time… again, the “you obviously never played a sport” card sucks but it’s the only explanation here. Anyone who’s played a contact sport has experienced injuries like these and run the gamut between actual injury and 2 minutes of pain and fear recovery before you jump back in to play.

More garbage word salad for the 100th time. At this point, I hope the Devils dive to this extent Carolina does in a playoff series v Carolina and win a series off of it. He could've easily been hurt in both situations but the theatrics he goes through is the issue. You're a blind Canes homer at this point so it's pointless to continue. Also I'm willing to bet I've played hockey and other sports at a higher level than you before you do that dick measuring contest on a hockey board.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I think more than anything what tells me the potential injury didn't impact calling it a major is the complete lack of game management after the fact. Refs hate being shown up by players so if they thought Necas sold the injury to draw a major they'd have found something to call against Carolina to either wipe out another 2 mins of the penalty or to give Jersey a PP later in the game and a chance to tie.

Hell, Orlov served them that opportunity on a silver platter when he went back after Haula and all that happened was matching roughings. They could have easily thrown an extra penalty at Orlov to give Jersey the PP and didn't.

This is why we need ref press conferences because we don't know what through their minds before calling it. Who knows if Necas doesn't get the rep in the future? Only time will tell or the next time something happens

 

[Golden_Jet]

More garbage word salad for the 100th time. At this point, I hope the Devils dive to this extent Carolina does in a playoff series v Carolina and win a series off of it. He could've easily been hurt in both situations but the theatrics he goes through is the issue. You're a blind Canes homer at this point so it's pointless to continue. Also I'm willing to bet I've played hockey and other sports at a higher level than you before you do that dick measuring contest on a hockey board.

Try posting something useful then, instead of you’re blind, you’re a homer, that's dick measuring, that’s just word salad.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Word salad.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

I really hate the “you obviously never played sports” card, but this is one of several similar comments in this thread.

No, as a professional athlete, he’s not just going to sit in the locker room and miss time if he’s already walked off the pain and there’s no reason to think there was any ongoing damage to the joint or muscle. The entire purpose of getting checked is to determine the extent of injury… if the extent is “it hurt at first but I’m good now”, the player gets right back in the game. This is common from like… 5 years old when athletes are taught to distinguish between pain (fear) and actual injury.

So no, they’re not just going to make him sit in the locker room and miss time for no reason. Especially not if he’s actively pushing to get back on the ice ASAP.



Again, you can plainly see in both these incidents why he went down in pain. In the older clip you can see Amadio fall on his foot causing his ankle to twist sideways. In the recent hit, you can see his leg torquing completely sideways.

The fact that you think a player should pop up instantly from that sort of thing, or that they otherwise should miss an extended amount of time… again, the “you obviously never played a sport” card sucks but it’s the only explanation here. Anyone who’s played a contact sport has experienced injuries like these and run the gamut between actual injury and 2 minutes of pain and fear recovery before you jump back in to play.

Dude just admit he embellished it and wasn't as bad as he made it look to be....If you ever played sports you know this happens and I'm pretty sure most of the guys on the ice knew he acted it up quite a bit to draw the call....