Meier knee Necas

[Golden_Jet]

or actually try to make a decent point.

We’re still waiting on you to make one, without the homer takes.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

We’re still waiting on you to make one, without the homer takes.

I’ve made a lot more than you lol. Necas made the contact dangerous and there’s nothing Meier could do.

 

[NyQuil]

His foot doesn’t extend at all lol. He holds his same position and doesn’t make any last second adjustments. There’s not a thing he can do.

Necas’ foot.

As for Meier, he does lunge at him attempting to make direct torso contact and it’s also this movement that simultaneously drives his knee through Necas’ knee.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Necas’ foot.

As for Meier, he does lunge at him attempting to make direct torso contact and it’s also this movement that simultaneously drives his knee through Necas’ knee.

No he doesn’t. He didn’t change his lower body positioning in the slightest.

Again Necas made a poor judgement and made the interaction dangerous.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

There have been several points in this thread where it’s very obvious that Devils fans watching the game on television from 500 miles away are coming into this thread with a completely false idea of what happened.

A couple that jump easily to mind: the claim that Necas didn’t even test out his leg before returning to the ice, which was plainly visible to the 19K fans in attendance and anyone watching the Canes broadcast; and the claim that there was no head contact on the Orlov hit, when it’s plainly visible on replay that the hit was directly into his face. People saying they didn’t see these things happen are objectively, factually wrong.

I will grant you, these anti-factual ideas don’t necessarily trace back to the Devils broadcast. It could very well be that they didn’t see the game at all and took to the internet to argue about it anyway.

If you have no idea where these things came from, then what the hell are we going back and forth for about a theory you yourself acknowledge is based on absolutely nothing?

I agree that there’s zero utility in showing up just to air grievances from old games, but welcome to the internet. Again, do you think a Sharks or Rangers or Penguins fan even watched this game?

I mean, internet highlights exist and the clip was posted directly in the OP. You don't need to watch the game to find a clip of this play.

I mean, that’s really what this thread is. @CharasLazyWrister put it best:

it’s more emotionally satisfying for the team/fans that feel they got “screwed” to put a few things together and claim they have proof of malice.

This thread has been a handful of Devils fans churning through conspiracy theories in search of a story that gives them emotional closure on a bad loss, and getting pissed when others laugh at them for doing it on such a flimsy premise.

Great! That sounds like a much more plausible explanation than your broadcaster transference theory. So again, if your whole angle could be distilled into "team-affiliated players and fans" are biased, probably should have just started there. I would have just ignored the post.

As to your last paragraph, I can't imagine what the explanation would be then for some of your fans to cheer Haula's miscarriage and get a bunch of 'likes' on your board. No chasing emotional closure for a bad loss there. Just plain old sociopathy.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just a reminder that this was reviewed and upheld as a major penalty, meaning they had the option to reduce it to a minor if they felt it looked worse than it really was in real-time.

Meaning they took positive action to say that not only was this a kneeing penalty, but that it also had a high degree of severity and certainty so as to warrant a major after review.

I’m not saying refs don’t get things wrong or that reviews aren’t botched. But to have a team of officials go over it from all angles in slow-mo and conclude that it’s a major, you have an awfully steep hill to climb in order to conclude that it wasn’t any penalty at all.

Everyone seems to agree that it was unintentional.

 

[NyQuil]

No he doesn’t. He didn’t change his lower body positioning in the slightest.

Again Necas made a poor judgement and made the interaction dangerous.

Sure he does.

At this point, Meier’s left skate is on a trajectory to clip Necas’ left skate.

If he doesn’t change his trajectory, that’s what would have happened.

At this point, the point of initial contact, Meier lunges sideways in an attempt to ensure full contact and not a glancing blow or missing him entirely.

You can clearly see his left skate is turned from the angle in the first photo.

If he had connected with the shoulder first, it would have been a clean and textbook open ice hit.

But Necas’ trajectory was taking him out of a direct path so Meier had to lunge to ensure that full contact was made.

As a result of the lunge, his knee collides with Necas’ and the attempted open ice hit becomes a kneeing penalty.

 

[VustyVoles]

You would have thought they were going to amputate the way MN acted. Completely changed the ending to a good game

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Sure he does.


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At this point, Meier’s left skate is on a trajectory to clip Necas’ left skate.

If he doesn’t change his trajectory, that’s what would have happened.

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At this point, the point of initial contact, Meier lunges sideways in an attempt to ensure full contact and not a glancing blow or missing him entirely.

You can clearly see his left skate is turned from the angle in the first photo.

If he had connected with the shoulder first, it would have been a clean and textbook open ice hit.

But Necas’ trajectory was taking him out of a direct path so Meier had to lunge to ensure that full contact was made.

As a result of the lunge, his knee collides with Necas’ and the attempted open ice hit becomes a kneeing penalty.

What are you looking at? He doesn’t lunge in that picture at all. He’s loading up for a shoulder hit and his left leg actually comes in as he tries to throw it. He didn’t change his trajectory whatsoever. He lined up a shoulder to chest hit. Necas tired to lunge out of the way dangerously causing the knee contact.

 

[NyQuil]

What are you looking at? He doesn’t lunge in that picture at all. He’s loading up for a shoulder hit and his left leg actually comes in as he tries to throw it. He didn’t change his trajectory whatsoever. He lined up a shoulder to chest hit. Necas tired to lunge out of the way dangerously causing the knee contact.

In the first photo, he’s aimed at the bottom of the circle.

In the second, he’s aimed at the logo.

How is he not changing his trajectory?

He wants to make sure he doesn’t miss, and that’s fine, except he made knee to knee contact first.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

In the first photo, he’s aimed at the bottom of the circle.

In the second, he aimed at the logo.

How is he not changing his trajectory?

He wants to make sure he doesn’t miss.

No he isn’t. Him and Necas are lined up head on and he’s loading up to hit him with his left shoulder. His body is angled slightly with his left side forward as he’s hitting with that side and that’s how you throw a hit. The first picture shows Meier lined up for the hit and Necas about to stupidly try to lunge out of the way.

 

[Soundwave]

In the first photo, he’s aimed at the bottom of the circle.

In the second, he aimed at the logo.

How is he not changing his trajectory?

He wants to make sure he doesn’t miss, and that’s fine, except he made knee to knee contact first.

Yeah I think you're correct. He definitely alters his body position to try for the hit, but in doing so brings his knee in line with Necas who is trying to move out of the way. But the fault is on Meier.

The call was correct and both sides are lucky this wasn't way more serious. A knee shouldn't bend like that, it's a borderline miracle this wasn't a worse result.

 

[bleedgreen]

BS. Necas entirely causes the contact. Meier didn’t stick the knee out or make any changes. Necas is well within his right to try and get out of the way but in doing so in the way he did caused the contact. Not a thing Meier can do

Necas “causes the contact”…..

You wrote that!!!

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Necas “causes the contact”…..

You wrote that!!!

He does. He completely caused the knee on knee contact. Happy to write it again.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If you have no idea where these things came from, then what the hell are we going back and forth for about a theory you yourself acknowledge is based on absolutely nothing?

What are you going on about?

I pointed out that the Devils broadcast covered the incident in a heavily narrative-driven manner that led their viewers to diverge from reality in several places. It’s a fact that this happened, and I have shown you in this thread where specific people have made specific claims based on false impressions from the broadcast.

Sure, it’s also possible that people straight-up didn’t watch anything and just want to argue. That’s always a possibility, and just plain indefensible.

It’s not clear at all where you’re getting any of the stuff you just wrote in the paragraph above.

I mean, internet highlights exist and the clip was posted directly in the OP. You don't need to watch the game to find a clip of this play.

You’d need to watch the broadcast, or have been at the game live, to see the full sequence from the hit to Necas leaving for the dressing room to the review to Necas returning to him testing the injury to his next few shifts. It’s very obvious that a few people have commented without that range of context.

Great! That sounds like a much more plausible explanation than your broadcaster transference theory. So again, if your whole angle could be distilled into "team-affiliated players and fans" are biased, probably should have just started there. I would have just ignored the post.

I mean, it’s a fact that the Devils broadcast convinced a bunch of fans to take this narrative and run with it. That’s not a theory.

But yes, most of the rest of this boils down to “fanbase got angry so they retreated into false narratives to soothe their emotions”. It’s common and unfortunate because it makes otherwise intelligent people act like fools online.

As to your last paragraph, I can't imagine what the explanation would be then for some of your fans to cheer Haula's miscarriage and get a bunch of 'likes' on your board. No chasing emotional closure for a bad loss there. Just plain old sociopathy.

I’ve already said that sort of thing isn’t ok, though I will say you keep using the plural when there was only one post that made a dark joke along those lines. The only reply said he went too far even in the context of a sports rivalry. So not sure where you’re getting “several” posts from.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Just a reminder that this was reviewed and upheld as a major penalty, meaning they had the option to reduce it to a minor if they felt it looked worse than it really was in real-time.

Meaning they took positive action to say that not only was this a kneeing penalty, but that it also had a high degree of severity and certainty so as to warrant a major after review.

I’m not saying refs don’t get things wrong or that reviews aren’t botched. But to have a team of officials go over it from all angles in slow-mo and conclude that it’s a major, you have an awfully steep hill to climb in order to conclude that it wasn’t any penalty at all.

Everyone seems to agree that it was unintentional.

And, unfortunately, we'll never how they would have ruled had they known at that point Necas wasn't actually hurt and would never miss a shift. Your wording is also off - this wasn't "reviewed and upheld" because they never actually made a call during gameplay. Only after Necas was on the ice for a prolonged period and several seconds of continued game play did they blow the whistle. So they didn't so much review a call, so much as retroactively review a play heavily weighted by a suspected injury at the time. And referees routinely adjudicate plays different when injury is involved.

 

[Johniac]

Devils sure are a whiny lot to spend 14 pages arguing whether a kneeing wasn't a league reviewed major penalty and whether Necas oversold what could have been a painful and dangerous hit.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I’ve made a lot more than you lol. Necas made the contact dangerous and there’s nothing Meier could do.

Lmao, you said this, in the quote below.

Plus the refs reviewed it in slow motion, and upheld the 5 minute major, didn’t reduce it to even 2 minutes, but your homer take is to say it’s not even a penalty.

It’s a kneeing penalty regardless of intent.

Yes it fully isn’t a penalty you’re straight up wrong there. Players getting hit have a responsibility to make the contact more dangerous.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Lmao, you said this, in the quote below.

Plus the refs reviewed it in slow motion, and upheld the 5 minute major, didn’t reduce it to even 2 minutes, but your homer take is to say it’s not even a penalty.

Yup I did say it and it’s right lol. The refs made the wrong decision which they do often. Hence why we have these forums and debates.

If you want to play that silly game the league didn’t suspend Meier which they 100% would’ve if they thought it was a major. Given he’s just come back from a previous suspension.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

What are you going on about?

I pointed out that the Devils broadcast covered the incident in a heavily narrative-driven manner that led their viewers to diverge from reality in several places. It’s a fact that this happened, and I have shown you in this thread where specific people have made specific claims based on false impressions from the broadcast.

Sure, it’s also possible that people straight-up didn’t watch anything and just want to argue. That’s always a possibility, and just plain indefensible.

It’s not clear at all where you’re getting any of the stuff you just wrote in the paragraph above.

There you go again, treating your inane "theory" as fact. Truly could not be less interested in this "discussion" anymore, so I'll leave it there.

You’d need to watch the broadcast, or have been at the game live, to see the full sequence from the hit to Necas leaving for the dressing room to the review to Necas returning to him testing the injury to his next few shifts. It’s very obvious that a few people have commented without that range of context.

Like I said, this isn't 1998. Hockey clips are readily accessible from all corners of the internet.

I mean, it’s a fact that the Devils broadcast convinced a bunch of fans to take this narrative and run with it. That’s not a theory.

I’ve already said that sort of thing isn’t ok, though I will say you keep using the plural when there was only one post that made a dark joke along those lines. The only reply said he went too far even in the context of a sports rivalry. So not sure where you’re getting “several” posts from.

It was more than one (one which was far more disgusting than the other and looks like it was deleted). The second, is still up and has multiple likes. I'd cross-post it, but it's against site rules. Go ahead and look, post #237.

 

[Lou is God]

Devils sure are a whiny lot to spend 14 pages arguing whether a kneeing wasn't a league reviewed major penalty and whether Necas oversold what could have been a painful and dangerous hit.

Watching the game and seeing every time a Hurricane player got hit the crowd yelling for a penalty makes your post quite ironic. Never seen a NHL crowd carry on like that.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I mean, it’s a fact that the Devils broadcast convinced a bunch of fans to take this narrative and run with it. That’s not a theory.

Did you hear the Canes broadcast? They didn’t think it was a major either

 

[MartyOwns]

necas pussed out at the last second and put himself in a bad position. joke call

 

[tarheelhockey]

And, unfortunately, we'll never how they would have ruled had they known at that point Necas wasn't actually hurt and would never miss a shift. Your wording is also off - this wasn't "reviewed and upheld" because they never actually made a call during gameplay. Only after Necas was on the ice for a prolonged period and several seconds of continued game play did they blow the whistle. So they didn't so much review a call, so much as retroactively review a play heavily weighted by a suspected injury at the time. And referees routinely adjudicate plays different when injury is involved.

A call on the ice is required to be made before review is initiated. The purpose of the review is to determine whether the call will be a major, minor, or no penalty. You’re right that officials will sometimes call a major on the ice, in order to initiate the review so they can use replay to determine the correct call.

Once the review is initiated, injury is irrelevant to whether kneeing is called a minor, a major, or waved off entirely. The only question is the degree of severity in the kneeing motion itself.

Again I understand that refs get calls wrong, even on replay. But it’s a steep hill to climb when arguing that something wasn’t a penalty at all after it was confirmed a major upon review.

 

[My3Sons]

Devils sure are a whiny lot to spend 14 pages arguing whether a kneeing wasn't a league reviewed major penalty and whether Necas oversold what could have been a painful and dangerous hit.

So the team is making all these posts?