Meier knee Necas

[The Macho King]

Linesman can suggest majors. That's likely what happened here.

That being said - the Canes selling calls is not new.

 

[NyQuil]

I don’t see what is so controversial here.

It’s definitely a knee on knee and Meier is lucky that Necas wasn’t hurt and isn’t missing any time.

Should be breathing a sigh of relief that it was only a major.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I don’t see what is so controversial here.

It’s definitely a knee on knee and Meier is lucky that Necas wasn’t hurt and isn’t missing any time.

Should be breathing a sigh of relief that it was only a double minor.

It was a major and he was tossed.

What is Timo supposed to do on that hit? Necas is the one that’s off balance and putting his body in a dangerous position.

Pretty standard looking posture from Timo and Necas does a terrible job avoiding the hit or properly bracing for contact.

 

[NyQuil]

It was a major and he was tossed.

What is Timo supposed to do on that hit? Necas is the one that’s off balance and putting his body in a dangerous position.

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Pretty standard looking posture from Timo and Necas does a terrible job avoiding the hit or properly bracing for contact.

He’s leading with the leg once Necas shifts position.

Necas is allowed to try and avoid the hit.

99% of kneeing incidents occur not because the guy wants to destroy the other guy’s knee but because he can’t make contact with the torso and ends up making the leg the primary point of contact.

I don’t think it’s deliberate but it’s definitely a kneeing situation.

If you don’t line the guy up properly, this is what happens. It was a clumsy attempt by Meier for an open ice hit.

 

[DevilDog]

What an absolutely embarrassing acting job by Necas. Diving fraud. He should try soccer if he wants to fake injury.

 

[NyQuil]

What an absolutely embarrassing acting job by Necas. Diving fraud. He should try soccer if he wants to fake injury.

You guys should be happy that Necas is fine. Otherwise you might be looking at a suspension.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

He’s leading with the leg once Necas shifts position.

Necas is allowed to try and avoid the hit.

99% of kneeing incidents occur not because the guy wants to destroy the other guy’s knee but because he can’t make contact with the torso and ends up making the leg the primary point of contact.

I don’t think it’s deliberate but it’s definitely a kneeing situation.

If you don’t line the guy up properly, this is what happens. It was a clumsy attempt by Meier for an open ice hit.

They don’t line up properly because of a last millisecond change of direction by the player. Timo doesn’t move at all.

Necas is the one that makes it dangerous with how he’s moving his body.

 

[DevilDog]

You guys should be happy that Necas is fine. Otherwise you might be looking at a suspension.

I have zero sympathy for diving frauds. Necas should be suspended for his acting job, though he should receive consideration for an Emmy.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Glad that Necas avoided injury, sure looked like his knee buckled on contact.

 

[NyQuil]

They don’t line up properly because of a last millisecond change of direction by the player. Timo doesn’t move at all.

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Necas is the one that makes it dangerous with how he’s moving his body.

The responsibility isn’t with the hit recipient to ensure that a hit is safe.

That’s why open ice hits are so risky and relatively rare.

The target has tremendous latitude to try to avoid the hit. The idea that Necas is responsible for Meier missing with his clumsy attempt is asinine IMO.

If Meier had lined him up properly, Necas would not have been able to avoid torso to torso contact.

He didn’t, and this was the result.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

The responsibility isn’t with the hit recipient to ensure that a hit is safe.

That’s why open ice hits are so risky and relatively rare.

The target has tremendous latitude to try to avoid the hit. The idea that Necas is responsible for Meier missing with his clumsy attempt is asinine IMO.

If Meier had lined him up properly, Necas would not have been able to avoid torso to torso contact.

He didn’t, and this was the result.

I’d like to hear the solution. How should his posture be different, what can be done to avoid the legs clashing beyond just not hitting him. It’s obviously Necas’ flailing that causes this and not the player that doesn’t deviate from his path one inch.

 

[NyQuil]

I’d like to hear the solution. How should his posture be different, what can be done to avoid the legs clashing beyond just not hitting him. It’s obviously Necas’ flailing that causes this and not the player that doesn’t deviate from his path one inch.

The solution is to not throw the hit at all.

It was reckless and he missed.

You don’t see guys throwing these kinds of hits all over the place because the risk of missing primary contact with the torso or putting yourself out of position by missing entirely is high.

It’s a high risk high reward play and Meier’s decision was the wrong one.

He chose to make the attempt and has to suffer the consequences accordingly. Necas is one of the shiftiest players in the league and clearly the wrong target for Meier’s poor attempt.

 

[Tryamw]

This is the correct take, and what makes me the angriest about the whole thing. Not only that, they didn’t call a thing at the time and let us possess the puck for another 10-15 seconds. Noesen even got a shot on goal, I wonder what would have happened had he scored.

I wish people would stop freeze framing hits to try and have the “Gotcha!” moment of what took place. The game is much too fast to think slowing the replay down really tells the entire story on every hit. Sometimes, it can make it clear as day, but here it distorts what really happened. As you mentioned, Timo had Necas lined up for a legal hit. Necas tried to avoid it at the last second, and that’s what led to the knee being the primary contact point.

If you want to call a minor as a result, fine, I can live with that. A major? When nothing was called at the time of the hit? I cant wrap my head around that at all. And that’s what the majority of the other fans are getting riled up about with a penalty being called after seeing Necas on the ice for a prolonged period of time. I’m not accusing him of faking it, I’m sure he was in pain, but the refs ultimately took the end result of the play and reversed time to call a major that I don’t think was deserved.

Linesman can only Advise on High sticks and MAJORS. so if as I expect this was seen not be the refs but by a Linesman the way the call went down makes 100% sense then Since it's a major they can review said major to make sure they weren't wrong which was done. this is 100% in the rulebook.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

The solution is to not throw the hit at all.

It was reckless and he missed.

You don’t see guys throwing these kinds of hits all over the place because the risk of missing primary contact with the torso or putting yourself out of position by missing entirely is high.

It’s a high risk high reward play and Meier’s decision was the wrong one.

So don’t throw any open ice hit because a player might twist at the last second and make it dangerous — got it. No hits in corners either because the player may turn at the last second and cause a dangerous boarding.

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

So don’t throw any open ice hit because a player might twist at the last second and make it dangerous — got it. No hits in corners either because the player may turn at the last second and cause a dangerous boarding.

Honestly, yeah that's what the league is trying to do. They've sacrificed open ice hitting to increase player safety.

I don't even mind the call as much since it did result in a knee on knee hit which are VERY dangerous (even if this one was not intentional), but it sucks that a very close game was basically decided through what was a borderline call.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

The replies to this thread are crazy, especially those calling necas a diver. You all should take one like this see how it feels.

I would have called it a minor anyways

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Glad that Necas avoided injury, sure looked like his knee buckled on contact.

Yeah, I’d call that knee pretty buckled.

 

[NyQuil]

So don’t throw any open ice hit because a player might twist at the last second and make it dangerous — got it. No hits in corners either because the player may turn at the last second and cause a dangerous boarding.

Sure, throw as many as you want, but if you f*** it up you have to be prepared for the consequences. Thats all.

There’s nothing illegal about open ice hits but the risk of leg to leg contact is high and that is illegal.

Its a skill that guys like Marc Methot mastered because they rarely miss.

Similarly, you can skate around waving your stick in the air because it’s not against the rules. But if you catch someone in the face, too bad.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

One of the nice things about living in 2024 is that we have access to the broadcasts from both teams to understand what the two fanbases are seeing.

- For one thing, taking all opinions out of the matter — Necas was on the ice for about 10 seconds, after getting hit so hard above his knee that it almost crossed one leg over the other. 10 seconds before he hopped up and went directly to the locker room. He was back on the bench immediately after getting checked out, maybe 1-2 minutes after taking that hit. So this whole thing about a dive or an extended period of embellishment is just plain false, and that’s not opinion.

- “giggling like a damn school girl on the bench” — did you hallucinate this? Neither broadcast showed anything other than Necas sitting with a neutral expression, and it’s not like both crews didn’t keep the camera on him. No idea where you got the idea that he was giggling, unless you’re just speaking from pure bitterness.

- “McDavid esque crossovers” — you mean regular crossovers? What did you expect him to do, skate backwards?

The striking thing about the final half-period of the Devils broadcast is how they covered that call. First, as they cut to commercial before the actual call was made and before they had time to really digest a replay, a hot mic caught Bryce Salvador whining that the only reason there was a call was “because it’s their best player and he got hurt”. Daneyko initially took a neutral posture that there was no malicious intent but that the call wasn’t unusual. Then, strikingly, Daneyko started vocally disagreeing with the call after Necas returned to the bench, claiming that the call shouldn’t have been made until the extent of injury was assessed (!?). Then he really got hot about it after the goal was scored, and spent the rest of the game coming back to it over and over.

And I mean over and over. Not one minute passed during the rest of that broadcast that the Devils crew didn’t relate every last little turn of events back to that one penalty. Devils allow 4 straight goals, (three at even strength and one BEFORE the penalty) and somehow this is because of that penalty. Necas carries the puck along the blue line and an outraged Salvador says “look at him dancing around now!”. Devils fail to get any offense going, and this is because they were deflated by the Necas call. Haula hits Orlov directly in the head away from the puck, and the Devils crew consensus is that “Carolina already got their break” so a headshot doesn’t merit any penalty. Daneyko even went so far as to say that it was time for the Devils to “get their pound of flesh” while they had the chance in the meaningless final minutes.

Understanding that your fanbase had that experience of the game, it’s understandable how this thread ended up 7 pages long. It’s a lesson in how someone can get in your ear and repeat a narrative over and over until you believe it, then you get mad about it, then you’re willing to die on that hill. Even if it’s just total nonsense designed to tell you a story that sounds more appealing than reality.

The Devils players and coaching staff have all made similar comments. So your “theory“ that this is all some kind of homer broadcasting psy-op seems to have some major holes in it.

Maybe the players and coaches themselves, who are all either active NHL athletes or former, know what does and does’t look like flopping for a call? And they clearly deemed Necas’ actions as play-acting for a call. I guess to his “credit”, it worked.

 

[Neil Racki]

Not the worst knee on knee … almost incidental

Optics of injury at play

I’m moving along with my life, probably to the grocery store. Might even walk there. Don’t know yet.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The Devils players and coaching staff have all made similar comments. So your “theory“ that this is all some kind of homer broadcasting psy-op seems to have some major holes in it.

Maybe the players and coaches themselves, who are all either active NHL athletes or former, know what does and does’t look like flopping for a call? And they clearly deemed Necas’ actions as play-acting for a call. I guess to his “credit”, it worked.

So your argument that it’s not a homer take is to use Devils players and coaches as a counterpoint? Alright then.

 

[TGWL]

Didn't seem intentional.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

So your argument that it’s not a homer take is to use Devils players and coaches as a counterpoint? Alright then.

lol what the hell is this idiotic response? The poster I replied to intimated that because of how the NJ broadcast reacted to the call they implanted a “ridiculous” narrative that’s led to Devils fans arguing counter to what we actually saw in gameplay on the broadcast.

Meanwhile, the guys who are actually ON THE ICE and either actively or formerly played professional hockey have taken the same position. And they saw everything that poster did his big time detective work for - the amount of time he was on the ice, getting “evaluated”, and ultimately coming back.

So maybe it has actually had nothing to do with being propagandized by broadcasters at all and it’s just a sober reading of what we saw with our eyeballs? I hate this word,but gaslighting everyone with “you only think this because your broadcasters said so” is incredibly lame. We saw what we saw, and clearly the players/staff on the ice saw it the same way.

Consider the fact that maybe you all are viewing the situation with rose-colored glasses as well. Maybe we can get a Canes broadcast deep-dive at some point as well.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The Devils players and coaching staff have all made similar comments. So your “theory“ that this is all some kind of homer broadcasting psy-op seems to have some major holes in it.

Maybe the players and coaches themselves, who are all either active NHL athletes or former, know what does and does’t look like flopping for a call? And they clearly deemed Necas’ actions as play-acting for a call. I guess to his “credit”, it worked.

Devils players and coaches didn’t like a call that went against themselves?

Well that settles it folks, we’ve found the smoking gun

 

[jfhabs]

It's a 2 or 5 nothing more. The knee wasn't extending, Meier was going for a shoulder check, but Necas was making a side move at the same time. Unfortunate result, but I don't think it's as bad as Kucherov's hit.