Meier knee Necas

[Captain3rdLine]

Worth noting that Carolina didn’t get a 5 minute PP. The refs gave Kotkaniemi a minor to cut it down to 3 effectively. That’s reasonable management of the situation.

The game changed on a very stoppable Aho goal.

Lmao what a ridiculous post. It’s not reasonable management of the situation because Meier’s hit shouldn’t have been a 5 minute penalty. Argue for 2 minutes if you want but even that is a stretch. And it completely changed the game. The game was 2-2 going in and came out 3-2. The game changes on every goal. But especially on one putting a team up late.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Wow great argument man. Because the refs don’t get calls wrong all of the time. lol

You’re right, you’re the first to ever win an internet argument. Congrats. Ima call Gary for you, we’ll change it.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

You’re right, you’re the first to ever win an internet argument. Congrats. Ima call Gary for you, we’ll change it.

lol it wasn’t much of an argument. I brought up actual points and you said well the refs said it was so it must be. Great job we might as well not have threads like this anymore because the refs are always right. What’s the point of debating and discussing.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

He clearly wasn't that hurt from the play, if you count how long it takes, he's literally up on 1 knee in 5 seconds and on his feet in 20 seconds. That's certainly not embellishment.

The whole point of the video was to show a play that looks bad for the injured player initially, has the player clearly struggling on the ice, but is able to shake it off/fight through the pain/whathaveyou to get ready for the upcoming PP. Just like the Necas collision in this game.

The other poster is the one that’s said it must be a dive if the player didn’t go to the locker room after getting hurt on the ice. So I asked him if he believed Hughes dived on this play? I think it’s obvious that he didn’t, that Hughes was very clearly in pain after that board. But by his own standards, because Hughes didn’t go to the locker room, it must be a dive.

 

[Satans Hockey]

 

[tarheelhockey]

As a Canes fan, this was pretty clearly unintentional and also pretty clearly something that would cause anyone to hold their knee in terror of having just blown it out. The need to argue over any of this is classic internet sports fan behavior.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The whole point of the video was to show a play that looks bad for the injured player initially, has the player clearly struggling on the ice, but is able to shake it off/fight through the pain/whathaveyou to get ready for the upcoming PP. Just like the Necas collision in this game.

The other poster is the one that’s said it must be a dive if the player didn’t go to the locker room after getting hurt on the ice. So I asked him if he believed Hughes dived on this play? I think it’s obvious that he didn’t, that Hughes was very clearly in pain after that board. But by his own standards, because Hughes didn’t go to the locker room, it must be a dive.

Research harder next time a little, bud. He went to the locker room for that hit and came back later in the game.

Happy trails and diving to Necas though.

As a Canes fan, this was pretty clearly unintentional and also pretty clearly something that would cause anyone to hold their knee in terror of having just blown it out. The need to argue over any of this is classic internet sports fan behavior.

And if that was the case, he wouldn't be giggling like a damn school girl on the bench after Timo got tossed and doing McDavid esque crossovers 2 mins after it happened but yeah sure I guess

 

[Devilsfan118]

Lost what little respect I had for that organization after tonight - and frankly for Rod too. Clearly it's a cultural thing he's instilled, with multiple players flopping for calls tonight.

Sad. Ruins the game, makes refs look stupid.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Lmao what a ridiculous post. It’s not reasonable management of the situation because Meier’s hit shouldn’t have been a 5 minute penalty. Argue for 2 minutes if you want but even that is a stretch. And it completely changed the game. The game was 2-2 going in and came out 3-2. The game changes on every goal. But especially on one putting a team up late.

The difference between 2 and 3 minutes effectively is significant enough to go on about for 7 pages? Canes didn’t double dip on the opportunity either.

 

[MartyOwns]

the canes organization should be embarrassed of necas’ little performance. refs didn’t even have the arm up initially. just a complete joke.

get that soccer flopping shit out of the game.

 

[Miller Time]

Fan of neither team... Necas is fortunate he didn't suffer a catastrophic injury.

Calling it a flop is downright silly.

 

[EdJovanovski]

As a Ranger fan and hater of Meier after he screwed me in fantasy when he had a terrible year after being hyped as one of the best fantasy players… that didn’t look intentional at all.

 

[tarheelhockey]

And if that was the case, he wouldn't be giggling like a damn school girl on the bench after Timo got tossed and doing McDavid esque crossovers 2 mins after it happened but yeah sure I guess

One of the nice things about living in 2024 is that we have access to the broadcasts from both teams to understand what the two fanbases are seeing.

- For one thing, taking all opinions out of the matter — Necas was on the ice for about 10 seconds, after getting hit so hard above his knee that it almost crossed one leg over the other. 10 seconds before he hopped up and went directly to the locker room. He was back on the bench immediately after getting checked out, maybe 1-2 minutes after taking that hit. So this whole thing about a dive or an extended period of embellishment is just plain false, and that’s not opinion.

- “giggling like a damn school girl on the bench” — did you hallucinate this? Neither broadcast showed anything other than Necas sitting with a neutral expression, and it’s not like both crews didn’t keep the camera on him. No idea where you got the idea that he was giggling, unless you’re just speaking from pure bitterness.

- “McDavid esque crossovers” — you mean regular crossovers? What did you expect him to do, skate backwards?

The striking thing about the final half-period of the Devils broadcast is how they covered that call. First, as they cut to commercial before the actual call was made and before they had time to really digest a replay, a hot mic caught Bryce Salvador whining that the only reason there was a call was “because it’s their best player and he got hurt”. Daneyko initially took a neutral posture that there was no malicious intent but that the call wasn’t unusual. Then, strikingly, Daneyko started vocally disagreeing with the call after Necas returned to the bench, claiming that the call shouldn’t have been made until the extent of injury was assessed (!?). Then he really got hot about it after the goal was scored, and spent the rest of the game coming back to it over and over.

And I mean over and over. Not one minute passed during the rest of that broadcast that the Devils crew didn’t relate every last little turn of events back to that one penalty. Devils allow 4 straight goals, (three at even strength and one BEFORE the penalty) and somehow this is because of that penalty. Necas carries the puck along the blue line and an outraged Salvador says “look at him dancing around now!”. Devils fail to get any offense going, and this is because they were deflated by the Necas call. Haula hits Orlov directly in the head away from the puck, and the Devils crew consensus is that “Carolina already got their break” so a headshot doesn’t merit any penalty. Daneyko even went so far as to say that it was time for the Devils to “get their pound of flesh” while they had the chance in the meaningless final minutes.

Understanding that your fanbase had that experience of the game, it’s understandable how this thread ended up 7 pages long. It’s a lesson in how someone can get in your ear and repeat a narrative over and over until you believe it, then you get mad about it, then you’re willing to die on that hill. Even if it’s just total nonsense designed to tell you a story that sounds more appealing than reality.

 

[Bizz]

Clean hit, but we all know Carolina gets preferential treatment from the Refs, just like Vegas.

Wouldn't have even been called a minor for any other team.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

One of the nice things about living in 2024 is that we have access to the broadcasts from both teams to understand what the two fanbases are seeing.

- For one thing, taking all opinions out of the matter — Necas was on the ice for about 10 seconds, after getting hit so hard above his knee that it almost crossed one leg over the other. 10 seconds before he hopped up and went directly to the locker room. He was back on the bench immediately after getting checked out, maybe 1-2 minutes after taking that hit. So this whole thing about a dive or an extended period of embellishment is just plain false, and that’s not opinion.

- “giggling like a damn school girl on the bench” — did you hallucinate this? Neither broadcast showed anything other than Necas sitting with a neutral expression, and it’s not like both crews didn’t keep the camera on him. No idea where you got the idea that he was giggling, unless you’re just speaking from pure bitterness.

- “McDavid esque crossovers” — you mean regular crossovers? What did you expect him to do, skate backwards?

The striking thing about the final half-period of the Devils broadcast is how they covered that call. First, as they cut to commercial before the actual call was made and before they had time to really digest a replay, a hot mic caught Bryce Salvador whining that the only reason there was a call was “because it’s their best player and he got hurt”. Daneyko initially took a neutral posture that there was no malicious intent but that the call wasn’t unusual. Then, strikingly, Daneyko started vocally disagreeing with the call after Necas returned to the bench, claiming that the call shouldn’t have been made until the extent of injury was assessed (!?). Then he really got hot about it after the goal was scored, and spent the rest of the game coming back to it over and over.

And I mean over and over. Not one minute passed during the rest of that broadcast that the Devils crew didn’t relate every last little turn of events back to that one penalty. Devils allow 4 straight goals, (three at even strength and one BEFORE the penalty) and somehow this is because of that penalty. Necas carries the puck along the blue line and an outraged Salvador says “look at him dancing around now!”. Devils fail to get any offense going, and this is because they were deflated by the Necas call. Haula hits Orlov directly in the head away from the puck, and the Devils crew consensus is that “Carolina already got their break” so a headshot doesn’t merit any penalty. Daneyko even went so far as to say that it was time for the Devils to “get their pound of flesh” while they had the chance in the meaningless final minutes.

Understanding that your fanbase had that experience of the game, it’s understandable how this thread ended up 7 pages long. It’s a lesson in how someone can get in your ear and repeat a narrative over and over until you believe it, then you get mad about it, then you’re willing to die on that hill. Even if it’s just total nonsense designed to tell you a story that sounds more appealing than reality.

I watch every Devils game on mute on low volume, I rarely listen to the broadcast until after the game for goal calls so I couldn't even tell you what Dano/Sal said or what they say in most games. They work for the team so there's gonna be bias. If you think they're bad, then I can name a good 10-15 away broadcasts you should never watch then. And no, the Devils didn't lose this game on that singular penalty call. Not once in this thread have I said the Devils were deserving of that game in totality. Carolina was the far better team today but the whole thing is Carolina doesn't have to do that type of shit to draw penalties to beat the Devils. You guys kicked our asses in 2023 and for the most part own us recently. And like I said before if Jack Hughes or any Devil did that what Necas did tonight, your fanbase would be equally irate so spare me. As for the bolded, you gotta be joking, right? If he was in "immense pain", no player would do that as their first choice on their first shift back. He stayed down to get a call, Carolina won, at the end of the day who cares in totality? Just don't be mad if he gets a reputation in the future because of it like Stutzle has.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I watch every Devils game on mute on low volume, I rarely listen to the broadcast until after the game so I couldn't even tell you what Dano/Sal said or what they say in most games. They work for the team so there's gonna be bias. If you think they're bad, then I can name a good 10-15 away broadcasts you should never watch then. And no, the Devils didn't lose this game on that singular penalty call. Not once in this thread have I said the Devils were deserving of that game in totality. Carolina was the far better team today but the whole thing is Carolina doesn't have to do that type of shit to draw penalties to beat the Devils. You guys kicked our asses in 2023 and for the most part own us recently. And like I said before if Jack Hughes or any Devil did that what Necas did tonight, your fanbase would be equally irate so spare me

Do what type of shit? He was down for literally 10 seconds — go back and time it. Then he jumped up and went straight to the dressing room, got checked, and immediately came back on the bench. What part of that do you think was faked? Was he supposed to fake an injury by staying in the room longer? Would you be happier about it then?

In all likelihood he was probably dead-legged which is typical from a hit across the front of the thigh. He went down with an extremely natural reaction of someone in pain who just barely avoided a total knee blowout, checked himself, and hobbled off to get evaluated. After a minute or so the initial pain subsided so he sucked it up and got back out there. He probably has a stiff muscle tomorrow. This stuff is all normal.

The whole idea that you can knee someone in the thigh and they’ll just skate through that without reacting is ****ing bonkers, man. At a bare minimum it knocks you down and hurts like hell.

Edit to respond to your edit:

As for the bolded, you gotta be joking, right? If he was in "immense pain", no player would do that as their first choice on their first shift back.

I’m gonna assume you’ve never actually played a contact sport? Of course you can get hurt from a collision to your thigh and then take a break and then come back and still do crossovers. Like what are you actually talking about here?

Just don't be mad if he gets a reputation in the future because of it like Stutzle has.

And likewise, don’t be mad if you wake up in the morning and realize that this entire argument was ridiculous and 100% motivated by competitive bitterness, because of a player doing normal things in the course of a normal sequence of events.

 

[tarheelhockey]

of course he may have felt some pain, but he acted like he got shot... didn't even try to walk off the ice like almost every NHLer does when they hurt one leg on real injuries.

The hell are you talking about? He got up by himself and skated off on both feet. Yes the trainer put his arm around Necas, but was was Necas supposed to do — stiff-arm the trainer?

 

[Oddbob]

That looks like going for a hit and somewhat missing situation and not a kneeing at all.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Do what type of shit? He was down for literally 10 seconds — go back and time it. Then he jumped up and went straight to the dressing room, got checked, and immediately came back on the bench. What part of that do you think was faked? Was he supposed to fake an injury by staying in the room longer? Would you be happier about it then?

In all likelihood he was probably dead-legged which is typical from a hit across the front of the thigh. He went down with an extremely natural reaction of someone in pain who just barely avoided a total knee blowout, checked himself, and hobbled off to get evaluated. After a minute or so the initial pain subsided so he sucked it up and got back out there. He probably has a stiff muscle tomorrow. This stuff is all normal.

The whole idea that you can knee someone in the thigh and they’ll just skate through that without reacting is ****ing bonkers, man. At a bare minimum it knocks you down and hurts like hell.

"Get evaluated" LMAO, from the time Necas got hit and he's back on the bench was 2 mins of the Devils broadcast, players get slightly boarded and go to the locker room for longer . Maybe he got a Charlie horse, maybe not but it's beyond fishy that he comes back that quick and the refs decide to go from no penalty live and then micro manage a major out of it because they think Necas got hurt bad when you don't call penalties on the basis of player injuries. Like I said, every Canes fan in here keeps ignoring it, but if a Devils player did this you'd all equally be crying about the same thing.

 

[tarheelhockey]

"Get evaluated" LMAO, from the time Necas got hit and he's back on the bench was 2 mins of the Devils broadcast, players get slightly boarded and go to the locker room for longer. Maybe he got a Charlie horse, maybe not but it's beyond fishy that he comes back that quick and the refs decide to go from no penalty live and then micro manage a major out of it is all. Like I said, every Canes fan in here keeps ignoring it, but if a Devils player did this you'd all equally be crying about the same thing.

So again, he’s supposed to do what… fake an injury?

Your entire position on this makes no sense. Of course it hurts to get hit like that. Of course you’re gonna be down for 10 seconds. Of course the trainer is going to put his hand around your waist while you skate off, in case it’s something serious. Of course you’re gonna go to the room and get triaged. Of course you’re gonna return to the game if it’s just a bruise or similar. Of course you’re gonna play hockey after you return, not just coast around looking feeble.

The idea that he’s supposed to be carried off on a stretcher and go sit in the locker room and miss some games when he’s not seriously injured is insane, and it implies something pretty dark about what you’d actually like to have seen happen instead.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

The Refs were brutal tonight. Numerous missed calls for both sides. The NHL should review this game...can't believe they reviewed it and were so quick to toss Meier.

 

[vippe]

That was probably a split second from ending Necas year - Necas lifted his knee right before impact saved him from a lot of pain.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Do what type of shit? He was down for literally 10 seconds — go back and time it. Then he jumped up and went straight to the dressing room, got checked, and immediately came back on the bench. What part of that do you think was faked? Was he supposed to fake an injury by staying in the room longer? Would you be happier about it then?

In all likelihood he was probably dead-legged which is typical from a hit across the front of the thigh. He went down with an extremely natural reaction of someone in pain who just barely avoided a total knee blowout, checked himself, and hobbled off to get evaluated. After a minute or so the initial pain subsided so he sucked it up and got back out there. He probably has a stiff muscle tomorrow. This stuff is all normal.

The whole idea that you can knee someone in the thigh and they’ll just skate through that without reacting is ****ing bonkers, man. At a bare minimum it knocks you down and hurts like hell.

Edit to respond to your edit:



I’m gonna assume you’ve never actually played a contact sport? Of course you can get hurt from a collision to your thigh and then take a break and then come back and still do crossovers. Like what are you actually talking about here?



And likewise, don’t be mad if you wake up in the morning and realize that this entire argument was ridiculous and 100% motivated by competitive bitterness, because of a player doing normal things in the course of a normal sequence of events.

Necas didn't even take a skate or do anything when he got to the bench to test his leg out and if he hurt the thigh as you all claim he did then something would be off with his skating. Beyond comical that you would even assume that it wouldn't. How wouldn't a thigh injury not bother his skating or anything if it was major?

And again, I don't care about losing this game, I said Carolina was better for like the 100th time lol. It's the idea Carolina has to do this shit to win hockey games, there's countless other fanbases in this thread saying you guys do the same shit. It's not just Devils fans who are saying it

So again, he’s supposed to do what… fake an injury?

Your entire position on this makes no sense. Of course it hurts to get hit like that. Of course you’re gonna be down for 10 seconds. Of course the trainer is going to put his hand around your waist while you skate off, in case it’s something serious. Of course you’re gonna go to the room and get triaged. Of course you’re gonna return to the game if it’s just a bruise or similar. Of course you’re gonna play hockey after you return, not just coast around looking feeble.

The idea that he’s supposed to be carried off on a stretcher and go sit in the locker room and miss some games when he’s not seriously injured is insane, and it implies something pretty dark about what you’d actually like to have seen happen instead.

So he was hurt bad originally and Timo kneed him but they checked him out within 2 minutes of real time and realized it wasn't bad for him to miss the game to come back and play on the same powerplay. Gotcha, lmao. Everyone's gotta get Carolina's trainers in the league then. Marvelous job by them

 

[tarheelhockey]

Necas didn't even take a skate or do anything when he got to the bench to test his leg out

Yes he did.

Screencap:

Again a large part of the problem in this thread seems to be that the Devils broadcast framed the entire sequence in a certain way and that narrative is not being questioned by the kinds of fans who take to the internet to rage about it.

and if he hurt the thigh as you all claim he did then something would be off with his skating.

Unless it was just a deadleg/stinger/contusion, which are common with this type of collision right above the knee.

Beyond comical that you would even assume that it wouldn't. How wouldn't a thigh injury not bother his skating or anything if it was major?

Because it’s not a major injury, obviously. Again you’re failing baseline logic standards right now.

And again, I don't care about losing this game, I said Carolina was better for like the 100th time lol. It's the idea Carolina has to do this shit to win hockey games, there's countless other fanbases in this thread saying you guys do the same shit. It's not just Devils fans who are saying it

Read back the past 5 pages. It’s just you, Satans Hockey and John Pedro taking on anyone who points out you’re talking nonsense.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Yes he did.



Unless it was just a stinger, which is extremely common with this type of collision.



Because it’s not a major injury, obviously. Again you’re failing baseline logic standards right now.



Read back the past 5 pages. It’s just you, Satans Hockey and John Pedro taking on anyone who points out you’re talking nonsense.

You guys (Canes fans) are the ones saying it was a massive hit and pointing out the position that Necas's leg when he makes contact in. Saying it's bent in an L shape but it's a "stinger", make up your mind as a fanbase. All I'm saying is if Necas did get hurt badly, he wouldn't come back to the bench as quickly as he did with how injuries are looked at in the NHL. But if he wasn't hurt that bad then his reaction baited the refs and the refs hot handily gave Timo a major for no reason. Carolina, FWIW, probably wins that game regardless. Allen looked like ass once Orlov scored

Lol, there was literally a Sharks fan right below your post who said the Canes are divers and a Rags fan multiple pages back who said the same shit but I guess it's just 3 Devils fans yelling into the void.