Meier Knee Necas

[Satans Hockey]

“Necas is also a Czech and watches soccer”

If you come to the table believing in the power of such a stupid bias to provide you knowledge of the situation, I’ve got a few book recommendations for you to get a hold of your own arrogance.

Yeah what a stretch considering Liverpool FC was his favorite team growing up. You know that's a soccer team right? You need me to send you a book to explain that one? Lmfao

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-22754/player-qa-martin-necas

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Let’s try this again.

What I am saying, and have been saying from the beginning, is that you can’t determine from a player returning to action that he was not in significant pain immediately after impact. This should not be a difficult concept to grasp.

Through the cloud of your own emotional bias, you are talking to me as if I have a vested interest in either team or player. I don’t. What I’m critiquing is the hilariously false notion that a player is automatically a “faker” because he returned to play after signifying that he was in a lot of pain immediately after what, as shown in the video, could clearly be a very painful impact.

I’m sorry that you’re too wound up to understand this extremely basic train of thought and think I am backtracking.

> guy was in so much pain immediately after the "knee"

> is sitting on the bench right after the call happens which is probably 2-3 mins in real time

> proceeds not to miss a shift and is playing like the typical Necas with his patented crossover skating

Yeah, that makes sense and TRACKS with everything we know about pro sports and how injuries are handled and how most likely he'd have tests or go into the locker room for a shift, at the worst, or two.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Yeah what a stretch considering Liverpool FC was his favorite team growing up. You know that's a soccer team right? You need me to send you a book to explain that one? Lmfao

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-22754/player-qa-martin-necas

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Okay, this is actually hilarious. You think that possessing knowledge of a factoid like a guy being a soccer fan growing up is a legitimate argument proving he was faking injury after a knee on knee collision.

It’s an absolute 10/10 example of not understanding the power of one’s own perceptional biases. It’s not that I’m arguing anything about the player being a soccer fan. I am pointing out the (what should be) obvious absurdity of inserting such a factoid as a supporting point to validate an argument.

 

[syz]

Keefe should be careful. If he complains about the officiating too much, the refs take it personal. RBA knows that too well

Keefe's well past that point already tbh. Not like the refs are gonna just forget about everything because he switched teams. They've had him marked for years.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

> guy was in so much pain immediately after the "knee"

> is sitting on the bench right after the call happens which is probably 2-3 mins in real time

> proceeds not to miss a shift and is playing like the typical Necas with his patented crossover skating

Yeah, that makes sense and TRACKS with everything we know about pro sports and how injuries are handled and how most likely he'd have tests or go into the locker room for a shift, at the worst, or two.

So are you purposely ignoring my question from many posts ago? Have you not seen players go down and need to be attended to by medical staff after blocking a shot and then subsequently not miss a shift? It’s not all that rare. What’s going on there? Clearly there’s no motivation to draw a penalty given it’s a blocked shot.

Seriously, just answer that inquiry.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Okay, this is actually hilarious. You think that possessing knowledge of a factoid like a guy being a soccer fan growing up is a legitimate argument proving he was faking injury after a knee on knee collision.

It’s an absolute 10/10 example of not understanding the power of one’s own perceptional biases. It’s not that I’m arguing anything about the player being a soccer fan. I am pointing out the (what should be) obvious absurdity of inserting such a factoid as a supporting point to validate an argument.

He was absolutely faking it and I think anyone who believes otherwise is a fool, including yourself.

It's like street smarts vs book smarts. You clearly know some big words but boy you sure are as dense as a door knob.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

He was absolutely faking it and I think anyone who believes otherwise is a fool, including yourself.

It's like street smarts vs book smarts. You clearly know some big words but boy you sure are as dense as a door knob.

Do you really think that collision happened and Necas felt nothing from his knee bending like that?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

So are you purposely ignoring my question from many posts ago? Have you not seen players go down and need to be attended to by medical staff after blocking a shot and then subsequently not miss a shift? It’s not all that rare. What’s going on there? Clearly there’s no motivation to draw a penalty given it’s a blocked shot.

Seriously, just answer that inquiry.

I've also seen players get "kneed" like Necas and not come back. Want proof? It literally happened to the Devils years ago




And your stupid ass analogy of a blocked shot v a possible play where a penalty can be given can not be more off base and arguing for the sake of arguing, but you do you do man

Even funnier that Hall gets up and skates over and STILL had to miss the game v the garbage Necas did tonight. But keep defending him lol

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

He was absolutely faking it and I think anyone who believes otherwise is a fool, including yourself.

It's like street smarts vs book smarts. You clearly know some big words but boy you sure are as dense as a door knob.

“obviously faking it” because he returned to the game shortly there after?

As I asked the other poster, how do you explain players requiring on ice medical attention after blocking a shot but then not missing a shift? They surely aren’t taking because there’s no penalty to draw.

I’ve given both an academic critique on your own argument about Necas liking soccer and I’m asking a tangible question in terms of players returning quickly in other situations after requiring medical attention. Go ahead and answer that question if you like. You haven’t proven anything by leaning in to your own emotions on the subject.

 

[John Pedro]

Do you really think that collision happened and Necas felt nothing from his knee bending like that?

of course he may have felt some pain, but he acted like he got shot... didn't even try to walk off the ice like almost every NHLer does when they hurt one leg on real injuries.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

of course he may have felt some pain, but he acted like he got shot... didn't even try to walk off the ice like almost every NHLer does when they hurt one leg on real injuries.

...So you're saying the fact that he DIDN'T want to walk off the ice after a knee-on-knee collision is proof that he was faking it? How does that make sense?

 

[AirGut]

L M A O

Devils should learn to fall and roll around if they play Carolina come April, clearly the refs bought that

Better be prepared to deal with Canes & Panthers theater school come playoff time Devils fans, that's their M.O.
Worked against NYR.

 

[John Pedro]

...So you're saying the fact that he DIDN'T want to walk off the ice after a knee-on-knee collision is proof that he was faking it? How does that make sense?

faking may not be the word, but he did make it look more than it was. It's like if every player that gets hit along the boards fall to the ice like they need to be cared to the hospital... just to be back in the next shift after realizing their team just got handed a juicy PP

 

[Satans Hockey]

“obviously faking it” because he returned to the game shortly there after?

As I asked the other poster, how do you explain players requiring on ice medical attention after blocking a shot but then not missing a shift? They surely aren’t taking because there’s no penalty to draw.

I’ve given both an academic critique on your own argument about Necas liking soccer and I’m asking a tangible question in terms of players returning quickly in other situations after requiring medical attention. Go ahead and answer that question if you like. You haven’t proven anything by leaning in to your own emotions on the subject.

People fake injuries all the time because people will do anything to help their team win.

It literally happens in soccer, every damn game multiple times a game. Laying on the ice doesn't equate with "needing medical attention" He didn't receive any medical treatment that magically fixed his boo boo. He felt the contact and laid there on the ice cause it would help his team possibly get a penalty.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I've also seen players get "kneed" like Necas and not come back. Want proof? It literally happened to the Devils years ago




And your stupid ass analogy of a blocked shot v a possible play where a penalty can be given can not be more off base and arguing for the sake of arguing, but you do you do man

what do you mean want “proof”? Why are you giving me “proof” of a player not coming back after getting kneed? Did I say that players always return to games after getting kneed? What does that prove or not prove about anything I said? Doesn’t it just work against your own point?

My connection between shot blocking and this hit is obvious if you take a step back and use the ol noggin. Players take impact that causes extreme pain in the moment but it quickly recedes. Be it from body on body contact or something else like blocking a shot. What you are implying is that a quick return after showing extreme pain is a clear indicator of “faking”. And what I’m saying is, if that is true, why are players returning to play shortly after requiring medical attention from blocking a shot…when clearly there is no motivation to fake?

 

[Joe McGrath]

of course he may have felt some pain, but he acted like he got shot... didn't even try to walk off the ice like almost every NHLer does when they hurt one leg on real injuries.

Have you ever been involveed in a collision like that? I have. Once i blew out my ACL and once I didn’t. The time I blew it out i finished the game. The time i was fine I took myself out of the game.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Devils benefited too in that Haula deserved five for hit to orlov’s head.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

“obviously faking it” because he returned to the game shortly there after?

As I asked the other poster, how do you explain players requiring on ice medical attention after blocking a shot but then not missing a shift? They surely aren’t taking because there’s no penalty to draw.

I’ve given both an academic critique on your own argument about Necas liking soccer and I’m asking a tangible question in terms of players returning quickly in other situations after requiring medical attention. Go ahead and answer that question if you like. You haven’t proven anything by leaning in to your own emotions on the subject.

Lmao, you're out to lunch if you don't think players don't exaggerate plays to possibly draw a call. Take your advice and go play in a contact sport maybe

 

[Blueline Bomber]

faking may not be the word, but he did make it look more than it was. It's like if every player that gets hit along the boards fall to the ice like they need to be cared to the hospital... just to be back in the next shift after realizing their team just got handed a juicy PP

Nah, I think he took a nasty hit to his knee and it probably f***ing hurt. I don't think you need to have a medical degree to look at that play and say knees probably shouldn't bend like that. The immediate reaction to such a hit would be to stay down and not put any weight on it, because your leg feels f***ing shattered at that point.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

People fake injuries all the time because people will do anything to help their team win.

It literally happens in soccer, every damn game multiple times a game. Laying on the ice doesn't equate with "needing medical attention" He didn't receive any medical treatment that magically fixed his boo boo. He felt the contact and laid there on the ice cause it would help his team possibly get a penalty.


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I literally said that he very well MAY have been faking.

Try to keep up. I’m not taking a side. What I’m saying is that seeing such a hit and then claiming that the player returning is proof of fakery is flat out fault. Both you and the other poster aren’t even countering the argument I am making. I’m simply saying that it’s an obviously heavy impact on the knee which can obviously cause extreme pain. Did Necas embellish? Well, he certainly COULD have. But returning to the game (as happens relatively frequently with players requiring medical attention) and being a fan of soccer during childhood does not prove anything about the incident.

Again, what you call “common sense” is nothing more than a bias. I’m sorry if that’s too much for you to handle.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

what do you mean want “proof”? Why are you giving me “proof” of a player not coming back after getting kneed? Did I say that players always return to games after getting kneed? What does that prove or not prove about anything I said? Doesn’t it just work against your own point?

My connection between shot blocking and this hit is obvious if you take a step back and use the ol noggin. Players take impact that causes extreme pain in the moment but it quickly recedes. Be it from body on body contact or something else like blocking a shot. What you are implying is that a quick return after showing extreme pain is a clear indicator of “faking”. And what I’m saying is, if that is true, why are players returning to play shortly after requiring medical attention from blocking a shot…when clearly there is no motivation to fake?

Would love an example where a player stays down like Necas did tonight after a blocked shot and it literally wasn't for a legitimate injury. Only 2 examples I can thoroughly remember is Gregory Campbell for Boston and he literally had to be walked off the ice and Ryan Callahan blocking a Zdeno Chara slap shot and he broke his leg in every spot that hit.

 

[Tiredswede]

Devils benefited too in that Haula deserved five for hit to orlov’s head.

The Carolina color guy really wanted that to be a 5. Probably shouldn’t even have been a 2.

 

[John Pedro]

Have you ever been involveed in a collision like that? I have. Once i blew out my ACL and once I didn’t. The time I blew it out i finished the game. The time i was fine I took myself out of the game.

I've had knee on knee plenty either playing competitive jiu jitsu or soccer... you usually feel the pain harder later than in the moment but whcih person and collision is different, indeed. You see guys taking worse and walking off in one leg, like they should...

Lying on the ice for almost a minute sure had a impact on the refs, just like when they call a double when a highstick draws blood. Maybe Necas didn't do it on porpuse, but sure looks like that with the way he returned for the PP

Nah, I think he took a nasty hit to his knee and it probably f***ing hurt. I don't think you need to have a medical degree to look at that play and say knees probably shouldn't bend like that. The immediate reaction to such a hit would be to stay down and not put any weight on it, because your leg feels f***ing shattered at that point.

could still have walked off one leg if that was the case. The point Keefe made is that Necas lying there made it look worse than it was, and the refs overreacted to the suppose injury and kicked Meier out

anyway... it happened and nothing will change the result. Won't extend myself in such trivial discussion

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Lmao, you're out to lunch if you don't think players don't exaggerate plays to possibly draw a call. Take your advice and go play in a contact sport maybe

Lol the inability to grasp the point is getting depressing. At no point have I ever, ever, ever said that players don’t exaggerate to draw calls.

 

[Satans Hockey]

I literally said that he very well MAY have been faking.

Try to keep up. I’m not taking a side. What I’m saying is that seeing such a hit and then claiming that the player returning is proof of fakery is flat out fault. Both you and the other poster aren’t even countering the argument I am making. I’m simply saying that it’s an obviously heavy impact on the knee which can obviously cause extreme pain. Did Necas embellish? Well, he certainly COULD have. But returning to the game (as happens relatively frequently with players requiring medical attention) and being a fan of soccer during childhood does not prove anything about the incident.

Again, what you call “common sense” is nothing more than a bias. I’m sorry if that’s too much for you to handle.

You're literally taking a side, just like I'm a taking side. It's a message board, we are all here to pick sides and shoot the shit about which side we like more.

Anyone who even remotely watches soccer or has played it knows how to embellish contact. It's literally part of the game. To think that doesn't carry over into other sports is just beyond silly.