Post-Game Talk: Meee-wow!!! Jets tame the kitties, 3-2 OT

[Gump Hasek]

So now because people have differing opinions they're watching with a biased eye?

Obviously, yes, at least in this case. Unless of course one thinks losing every draw and constantly giving away possession is the standard to which a #2 center is held.

 

[Guerzy]

Obviously, yes, at least in this case. Unless of course one thinks losing every draw and constantly giving away possession is the standard to which a #2 center is held.

People aren't just talking about his faceoffs here, obviously he was very poor in that regard last night.

 

[sipowicz]

You guys can disagree with me all you wish. I'd encourage anyone that can watch the game with an unbiased eye to fire up your pvr replay and just pay clear attention to what Burmistrov did with the puck in the first period. Every draw that he took he lost cleanly. Every time he touched the puck the other team came away with it immediately afterward.

He can't win any draws. You need a guy in that spot that can win them more than he loses. Whatever. I'm a fan of the team and am happy with the final outcome. One reason the game was so sloppy and choppy over the first half though was the overtly poor play of the guy that you guys are raving about.

Gump your in a losing battle when talking about Burmi on the Winnipeg fan site, he seems to have entered the St. Burmi realm as is St. Enstrom, guys talking about Burmi as the best player on the team with 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 games (and plenty of ice time) all I can say is wow.

Burmi is great defensively, can dangle the puck, works extremely hard on the ice and is reliable and has a ton of upside. I'm just not sure he is a play-maker yet, it was nice to see him play with better players on the second line, I think he did elevate their games as well, time will tell, he has to produce points there.

 

[Gump Hasek]

People aren't just talking about his faceoffs here, obviously he was very poor in that regard last night.

Seriously, just re-watch his play in the first period and count the number of times the other team gains possession after he touches the puck. Then you'll see what I'm referring to. It really isn't a big enough deal to me that I'm going to harp on it for the rest of the day. I suspect they'll probably wind up either trading him eventually anyway prior to next season or will drop him back down to the third line.

Cheers.

 

[Sweech]

Seriously, just re-watch his play in the first period and count the number of times the other team gains possession after he touches the puck. Then you'll see what I'm referring to. It really isn't a big enough deal to me that I'm going to harp on it for the rest of the day. I suspect they'll probably wind up either trading him eventually anyway prior to next season or will drop him back down to the third line.

Cheers.

What about the 2nd and 3rd period?

 

[truck]

You guys can disagree with me all you wish. I'd encourage anyone that can watch the game with an unbiased eye to fire up your pvr replay and just pay clear attention to what Burmistrov did with the puck in the first period. Every draw that he took he lost cleanly. Every time he touched the puck the other team came away with it immediately afterward.

He can't win any draws. You need a guy in that spot that can win them more than he loses. Whatever. I'm a fan of the team and am happy with the final outcome. One reason the game was so sloppy and choppy over the first half though was the overtly poor play of the guy that you guys are raving about.

Unless the Jets are slotting Slater and Wellwood in as their #1 and #2 centres (or somebody over plays relative to their career average) they will not have a top 6 centre that wins more than they lose. This is a fact. Yes, everybody would like Burmi to win more, but it isn't like the Jets have many better options on the dot.

Then again, perhaps that fact is also biased and wrong because it disagrees with you.

 

[truck]

Obviously, yes, at least in this case. Unless of course one thinks losing every draw and constantly giving away possession is the standard to which a #2 center is held.

Slater has been blanked in the dot before too. He has also had perfect nights.

These things happen, it all comes down to how much they win on average over time.

 

[Romang67]

What about the 2nd and 3rd period?

Doesn't matter, those periods are biased.

 

[bluefan]

Pavs...that second goal I don't fault him on really, even if he himself said he was outta position. I'm seated at the 324 level and so I had a pretty straight view on that goal. Me and my buddy couldn't even see Pavs on that shot, it was a solid screen. Even if he was right at the edge of the crease it still would've gone in.

Burmi was quiet for the first chunk of the game, but he did start picking it up. Yeah he still had a couple horrible turn overs in our zone/neutral zone but his positives for the night outweighed the negatives. He drew a couple penalties too if I remember correctly.

 

[TroubaFan1]

Well you listed 10 goalies he should be above and I argued he wasn't above all of them. I think that would put him between 20-30. Seeing as I think it's implied that you attempted to list your bottom 10.

It wasn't my bottom 10. I was just spouting off the top of my head who has worse starting goaltending then us dude.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Unless the Jets are slotting Slater and Wellwood in as their #1 and #2 centres (or somebody over plays relative to their career average) they will not have a top 6 centre that wins more than they lose. This is a fact. Yes, everybody would like Burmi to win more, but it isn't like the Jets have many better options on the dot.

That doesn't exactly embolden the position that he is a #2 centre though; in fact, it points to the need to find someone else for the spot.

Then again, perhaps that fact is also biased and wrong because it disagrees with you.

Cute, but that isn't really a fair representation of what I was saying or meant. What I suggested was to watch his play in the first period with a critical eye and that you'll that his play was beyond substandard for the role. It is like sipowicz says, the love displayed for him here is irrational in extent.

 

[truck]

Seriously, just re-watch his play in the first period and count the number of times the other team gains possession after he touches the puck. Then you'll see what I'm referring to. It really isn't a big enough deal to me that I'm going to harp on it for the rest of the day. I suspect they'll probably wind up either trading him eventually anyway prior to next season or will drop him back down to the third line.

Cheers.

That comment sounds laced with preconceived notions and possibly some bias.

Burmi isn't perfect, but he isn't nearly as bad as you make him sound either. Many fans, the coach and experts really like his game. Plus he his young and has room to improve. People should be excited.

 

[TroubaFan1]

You are literally making up excuses for no reason. You're ignoring absolutely all the evidence and making up false scenarios.

When has Pavs ever spoken of his positioning in a game? He stated himself he should have been higher in the crease on that shot and he's correct, he should have been. There's literally no argument you can make to deny that. It was a matter of positioning not a matter of opinion.

Making up scenarios and excuses?

 

[Huffer]

Gump your in a losing battle when talking about Burmi on the Winnipeg fan site, he seems to have entered the St. Burmi realm as is St. Enstrom, guys talking about Burmi as the best player on the team with 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 games (and plenty of ice time) all I can say is wow.

Burmi is great defensively, can dangle the puck, works extremely hard on the ice and is reliable and has a ton of upside. I'm just not sure he is a play-maker yet, it was nice to see him play with better players on the second line, I think he did elevate their games as well, time will tell, he has to produce points there.

Saying he is the best player on the team is defiantly premature I agree with you there.

But giving the kid his due after last nights game is not IMO.

 

[TroubaFan1]

Unfortunately that's the nature of the position, have you been following what's going on in Vancouver.

Lu is one of the best tenders on the planet, I saw this one coming a mile away him taking his job back.

 

[Gump Hasek]

What about the 2nd and 3rd period?

He was a bit better, because the coaches took faceoff responsibility away from him, his poor play wasn't as exposed as such. What good is a #2 center that doesn't take faceoffs though?

 

[truck]

That doesn't exactly embolden the position that he is a #2 centre though; in fact, it points to the need to find someone else for the spot.



Cute, but that isn't really a fair representation of what I was saying or meant. What I suggested was to watch his play in the first period with a critical eye and that you'll that his play was beyond substandard for the role.

Yet, many that watched the first period (with a critical eye) disagree with you. I am also not sure why we would only look at the first period, and ignore the rest of the game. Most people thought his game was pretty solid on the whole. Maybe all of those people are wrong, maybe they are just sharing opinions, but opinions =/= bias.

Not sure what makes your opinion here the perfect and accurate one.

 

[sipowicz]

Lu is one of the best tenders on the planet, I saw this one coming a mile away him taking his job back.

Actually I did to, would you trade Pavs for Schneider straight up?

 

[TroubaFan1]

@ some of the teams listed Pavs is apparently better than.

Most of them are laughable and others very debatable, but the fact Dallas and Kari Lehtonen were put in that list is beyond head shakable.

What has he done thats makes this beyond head shakable?

 

[TroubaFan1]

Actually I did to, would you trade Pavs for Schneider straight up?

Honestly, thats a really tough call.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Like I said, I suspect they'll wind up either trading him or will drop him down to #3 eventually, no biggie either way.

 

[TroubaFan1]

Minnesota? Really? Backstrom is one of the best goalies in the league. He has been for a while.

The only team I on you list that I agree with is Columbus.

The rest are better, or at worst similar. Does Pav have more upside, sure... but he hasn't come close to achieving it.

If Backstrom is so great, why does Minnesota never make the playoffs? You can't honestly say Toronto and Florida have better starting goaltending then we do?

 

[truck]

Actually I did to, would you trade Pavs for Schneider straight up?

In an instant.

Schneider is a better goalie on a safer contract.

 

[TroubaFan1]

In an instant.

Schneider is a better goalie.

From the bench maybe.

 

[Lynk]

What has he done thats makes this beyond head shakable?

.911 in 09/10
.914 in 10/11
.921 in 11/12
.925 this year.

GAA consistently going down each year since he focused on his conditioning and training.

2.81 in 09/10
2.55 in 10/11
2.33 in 11/12 .....

Lehtonen is one of the best starters in the NHL today and would still be apart of this franchise if the Atlanta Spirit group weren't such dbags.