McSorley breaks his silence on the Brashear incident

[Hobnobs]

I know the HHOF standards are low... But Marty McSorley would be the worst defenseman in the hall of fame by a significant margin, and I'm pretty sure Dick Duff would be the only comparably bad induction across all positions

Sure, and?

 

[Fatass]

I'm not saying I think he should've been a hall of famer but yes with the inductions we've seen (Lowe being a glaring example) and the connections he has. There is a real possibility that he had a shot at it.

In any case it was a really popular player that smacked a guy on the head and got the longest suspension in history at the time which ended his career so it's going to be remembered

“Smacked a guy on the head”? It was a lot more than that. He was convicted of assault in a court of law.
Clearly he was frustrated by always getting embarrassed in previous fights with the player.

 

[Sanderson]

There was zero chance of Marty McSorley ever being in consideration for the Hall of Fame. There is absolutely nothing "maybe" about it.

He had a solid but hardly particularly noteworthy 8-9 years, though even then he often failed to play a full season. None of the seasons were great though. You'd be hard-pressed to even call any of them very good. The remaining years as a part-time player don't add much either.

Or would anyone consider Bruce Driver, Doug Bodger or Sylvain Cote for the HoF? All players with a better career and peak than McSorley. Not to mention someone like Kevin Hatcher, who was on an entirely different level than McSorley, without being a serious contender for the Hall, though at least he's in the US one.

 

[Felidae]

Sure, and?

You said he had a real possibility he had a shot at the HHOF. All I'm saying is there is no precedent for a defenseman of his calibre being inducted.

 

[Beerz]

McSorleys was bad.

Petgraves was horrific.

 

[MXD]

... We're getting really close to Terry Carkner being suggested as a potential HHOFer.

 

[Moose Head]

... We're getting really close to Terry Carkner being suggested as a potential HHOFer.

Lyle Odelien is a shoo-in. Guy made a Team Canada roster in a best on best tournament.

As for McSorley, better to remain silent and be thought of as an idiot, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[wetcoast]

I heard it live and it was a bizarre interview.

He was basically saying that it was the ice and chinstrap's fault for brashear's injury. Then he went on to talk about something kariya did in the following preseason but he didn't get punished for it because of his status.

He was clearly annoyed to talk about it and was basically justifying what he did.

I guess manning up is too hard to do?



4.6 seconds left and maybe the chinstrap would have stayed on had he not wacked it with stick?

 

[wetcoast]

I'm not saying I think he should've been a hall of famer but yes with the inductions we've seen (Lowe being a glaring example) and the connections he has. There is a real possibility that he had a shot at it.

In any case it was a really popular player that smacked a guy on the head and got the longest suspension in history at the time which ended his career so it's going to be remembered

McSorely was 36 when it happened and no serious person would ever float him as a possible HHOF inductee, just no one.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

I'm not saying I think he should've been a hall of famer but yes with the inductions we've seen (Lowe being a glaring example) and the connections he has. There is a real possibility that he had a shot at it.

In any case it was a really popular player that smacked a guy on the head and got the longest suspension in history at the time which ended his career so it's going to be remembered

Man there was zero percent chance McSorley was getting in the hall without a ticket. Lowe is a terrible comparison. He was a regular all star game participant, along with a Canada Cup selection. He was a key figure in six cups, not a role player in 3.

 

[Staniowski]

Man there was zero percent chance McSorley was getting in the hall without a ticket. Lowe is a terrible comparison. He was a regular all star game participant, along with a Canada Cup selection. He was a key figure in six cups, not a role player in 3.

Yeah, Lowe was somewhat of a star....a defensive star, who, at his best, even moved the puck decently well. But, at least a defensive star.

 

[sr edler]

I think McSorley's spoken about this before, so it's hardly him breaking silence.

Btw, as someone who is a big Odjick fan, I don't get the obsession labelling guys classy. Odjick certainly had his moments when not classy or very sportsmanlike. But I prefer someone who's more up front about it (the nature of being a goon) than say someone (Shawn Thornton) who's trying to disguise himself as a nobleman and then goes out and slew-foots a guy from behind and sucker punches him in the head while he's lying defenceless on the ice.

 

[The Panther]

Btw, as someone who is a big Odjick fan, I don't get the obsession labelling guys classy. Odjick certainly had his moments when not classy or very sportsmanlike. But I prefer someone who's more up front about it (the nature of being a goon) than say someone (Shawn Thornton) who's trying to disguise himself as a nobleman and then goes out and slew-foots a guy from behind and sucker punches him in the head while he's lying defenceless on the ice.

Yeah, but I mean Odjick sucker punched guys in the head while they were lying defenceless on the ice, too. I'm not sure there's really a classier way to do that...

 

[sr edler]

Yeah, but I mean Odjick sucker punched guys in the head while they were lying defenceless on the ice, too. I'm not sure there's really a classier way to do that...

Odjick, to my recollection, never painted himself out to be the moral saint of St. Helena. Thornton did. He just couldn't stop talking about how true to the code he was (whatever that means), how scummy some of his opponents were (the Canucks blah blah) and how morally pure he was blah blah blah. If you do this type of public moral spiel you better try to live up to it in at least some sneaky disingenuous way (if that's not actually you). But he pancaked himself pretty badly there (to my enjoyment, can't lie).

 

[Albatros]

If he had bothered to at least attempt to prepare for life after hockey, he might be in a better place today. Instead he'd rather get busted for booger sugar, assault guys off the ice, and piss away all his money. Oops! It goes to show how stupid and arrogant he is and always has been. The guy really thought he could play hockey forever despite his extremely limited skill set. Meanwhile, how are guys like Stu Grimson and Ken Baumgartner doing?

Grimson for one was adopted into a middle class family soon after birth while Brashear suffered through years of child abuse. And it's not like Grimson's biography doesn't have its own dents more typical to his background, a highly educated born-again Christian that posed very publicly as a family man but then left that family for another woman.

 

[Bench Clearer]

Grimson for one was adopted into a middle class family soon after birth while Brashear suffered through years of child abuse. And it's not like Grimson's biography doesn't have its own dents more typical to his background, a highly educated born-again Christian that posed very publicly as a family man but then left that family for another woman.

No one ever said Stu was a saint. When it comes to preparing for life after a playing career is over, some guys can do it and some fail hilariously. Having a tough upbringing does not excuse the fact that Brashear has failed to move on from hockey. Lots of people overcome tough upbringings to make something of themselves and then continue to do so.

 

[Albatros]

When hockey is all you ever had then where do you move to? Besides working at a car dealership is a job outside hockey as honorable as any.

 

[Bench Clearer]

When hockey is all you ever had then where do you move to? Besides working at a car dealership is a job outside hockey as honorable as any.

Well that's just it. Some guys figure it out because they are capable of doing so, and others don't. Luck plays a part in it too, but it takes a special kind of stupid to end up squandering millions and then resorting to serving coffee and donuts and then playing in the low level minors.

 

[Albatros]

If you can claim to have it better in life than that car dealership job and an LNAH assistant coach gig then good for you. I don't think most of us can, and I have a hard time viewing it as something shameful when you started with less than nothing.

 

[Bench Clearer]

If you can claim to have it better in life than that car dealership job and an LNAH assistant coach gig then good for you. I don't think most of us can, and I have a hard time viewing it as something shameful when you started with less than nothing.

Well a job at a car dealership is perfect for anyone with his type of personality. I salute Brash for finally getting his life in order! But it took him until his fifties, whereas many other players figured out a solid career path much sooner after their careers ended.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Please stop going this far off-topic on Brashear's post-career life (referring to the sentence that I've deleted from your post).

If you have an axe to grind on how Brashear has handled his life after hockey, it doesn't belong here.

 

[Bench Clearer]

The six fight series that led up to the slashing incident is just brutal. The even numbered fights were all just embarrassing showings by McSorley.



McSorley doesn't mention the fact that he could never manage to hold his own with Brashear in a fight. The closest he came was round 3, but just as he starts to land some decent shots toward the end he gets dragged to the ice and then sat on. Humiliating!

 

[Bench Clearer]

Does anyone else believe that McSorley was overrated as a fighter in general? This is probably a major reason why he is equally known as a cheap and dirty player. I actually love McSorley but despite his reputation as a great technical fighter with a lot of stamina, he struggled mightily with Brashear. Compare that to one of the most underrated all time fighters, Darren Langdon:



Langdon fared much better.

 

[Rebels57]

What an asshole.

 

[GMR]

Lyle Odelien is a shoo-in. Guy made a Team Canada roster in a best on best tournament.

As for McSorley, better to remain silent and be thought of as an idiot, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I'm fine with this so long as Matthew Barnaby inducts Odelein.