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Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

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KOVALEV022473 said:
The Rangers are a unique organization, in that they have other means by which to acquire young talent, ie, Hayes and Vesey.
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Hayes is a nice player, but he isn't elite. He's a 2nd liner. Vesey hasn't proven much. We can't count on signing undrafted UFAs or players who refuse to sign with the teams that drafted them. We might find a gem or two that way, but it's no way to build a team. Look at how bad our prospect pool was before the draft last year. Trading picks and prospects to try to plug the holes in the lineup only works until we have no picks and prospects left. We have to have a strong farm system if we want to be able to ice the kind of depth and quality that it will take to win a cup.
 
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I am actually a very big fan of targetting Boqvist in this draft.

The more reports I read the more I see that Hajek can become a very responsible defensive #2 Dman on the top pair -great skating big guy.

I also still believe that Skjei could play for 24 minutes a night if he is paired with a Dman that is better than he is. Skjei does not lack for legs, that is sure.

Skjei Boqvist
Hajek Shattenkirk
Lindgren DeAngelo
 
Going forward, i like the moves the Rangers have made. A ton of picks and cap space, and they have gotten a good return in this deal, along with the Nash trade.
 
I'm guessing the fire sale continues during the draft? Lots of nice pieces that we can sell off still. If that's the case, the opening night roster will be a real treat.
 
Gorton got fair value here. Cannot expect great prospects for a guy who so often seems to be hurt, or is playing like he's hurt. The McDonagh of 2014, absolutely. McDonagh for a couple of years now has been a shell of that player.

Perhaps he's rejuvenated in Tampa and manages to stay healthy, perhaps it's not just injuries and the regression continues. Gorton got what he could get, but if McDonagh doesn't play like a star - and there's no guarantee he will - Tampa paid a huge price for a decent defenseman, which McDonagh has been for a while now.
 
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KOVALEV022473 said:
Hyperbole! You have no way of knowing what would have happened. With that said, injuries torpedoed this season, so I can accept selling off the UFA’s for picks. And you stopped at 2015 because we won the Presidents Trophy that season, and went to the ECF. If 3/4 of the D wasn’t half dead, we win the cup.
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That was far from guaranteed. Beating the Hawks would have been a tall order.
 
Lerb said:
I'm guessing the fire sale continues during the draft? Lots of nice pieces that we can sell off still. If that's the case, the opening night roster will be a real treat.
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I think Hayes, Skjei and Vesey will all be kept. Hayes has done well in a defensive role this year and Skjei is our best young dman. Vesey won't cost much to re-sign and he doesn't have enough value to make a trade worthwhile. We are better off keeping him and hoping he can take another step. If not, he'll likely be gone within 2 years.

Spooner and Namestnikov are the wildcards. I think how they play down the stretch, and what sort of contracts they are looking for, will determine whether they are re-signed or traded.
 
Edge said:
I agree with this and have had similar thoughts recently.

The Rangers will NOT have a hard time finding talent to play for them.

Personally, I am excited to see what they can do with this young talent and a handful of higher picks.
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I'd say the Rangers are in a better spot than most, they could take on cap/salary dumps for even more futures as real money and cap space should not be an obstacle. As long as they are short enough term, those cap dumps can function as "mentors" or at least play well enough to shelter the youth a little bit, they can serve two purposes.

It's not like cap dumps are all bad players, or jerks or whatever, some of them just ended up on contracts that were too large.

Adding them within reason, the right ones with the right adds attached, it gives them another avenue to both get picks/prospects and have some vets around, hence the Nash/Boston trade.
 
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They're going to try and compete next year. I'm waiting to see what they do with either Smith or Staal. Since it's a teardown, maybe Marc waives to move on. They can retain on him.

All the RFA's shouldn't cost more than $12M. That's with a long term deal for Skjei. I would bridge Hayes, Vesey, Spooner. I could see Namestikov get a 3 year deal at a manageable cap hit so that he can cash in as a UFA. Either here or in Russia.

I'd give Skjei the McD deal.

Add in the cap going up. Say to $80M. Then you have $17MM free for a shopping spree. If Marc is moved... and Minnesota is a fit, especially if the Rangers retain $1M (no McD retention opens up next year's possibile options). Then you have $~20MM-$21MM in space, with currency in the form of picks and prospects for low buy trades to absorb salary, and sign free agents. I would only take in contracts if the Rangers strike out in free agency.

I would feel that Kovalchuk signs. 1 year at a time.

Van Riemsdyk is an option.

Jay Beagle would be a good pick up.

I could see Grabner coming back.

I wouldn't mind R. Nash either. That's Riley. Not Rick, unless he's coming at Eric Staal money.

If Marc Staal to Minnesota is an option, then you might be able to pry a good young defenseman from there. They are not happy with their D. Their goaltending is stellar, but their D outside of Suter and Spurgeon make the same mistakes.
 
Huge HUGE no to Kovalachuk. Goes against everything Gorton & Co. say they are trying to do.

And Marc isn't going anywhere if we're not retaining 50% or throwing in draft picks. Not happening. And he's not bringing back much of anything, much less "good young D".
 
Someone tell me what to feel and how to feel it. This feels a lot more like the New Void Rangers than the New York Rangers.
 
Still reading...man been over an hour in this thread now...

Some thoughts...
Overall I'd give gorts an a+ for the purge...not this trade which I'm iffy at best on..but taken as a whole..it's a massive home run.

I've soured tremendously on jt Miller...I don't know much about namestnikov but to me..if its even close..I'll take it. Jt strikes me as a guy you don't win with...I know that sounds cliche...but I just don't see it.

To me the rangers are going to sell zucc at the draft for sure. Its a foregone conclusion.

I expect them to re-sign Hayes long term and lock up Skjei namestnikov and spooner...I then expect us to suck balls next season and have a high draft pick again..and then sell off zibanejad spooner and namestnikov at that poi t. 3 year process. In that time we need those kids to develop.

This is now kreiders team imho.
 
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Also...1 thing even @Machinehead can agree with...none of this matters or was worth it unless av is gone. As long as av is here I have zero hope for the future...with a better coach I thinks we can contend in 3 years...5 at most.

Some strong blocks are in place...not starting at zero.
 
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I’m a huge Rangers fan that moved to Tampa from NY about a year ago? Should I just become a Lightning fan? I don’t know how people start cheering for other teams. Maybe it’ll happen gradually. Idk...
 
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Mikos87 said:
They're going to try and compete next year. I'm waiting to see what they do with either Smith or Staal. Since it's a teardown, maybe Marc waives to move on. They can retain on him.

All the RFA's shouldn't cost more than $12M. That's with a long term deal for Skjei. I would bridge Hayes, Vesey, Spooner. I could see Namestikov get a 3 year deal at a manageable cap hit so that he can cash in as a UFA. Either here or in Russia.

I'd give Skjei the McD deal.
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Hayes only has 1 RFA year left. He'll get more than a 2 year deal. Spooner only has 1 RFA year left as well.

If we aren't going to sign them for at least 3-4 years, we should probably just trade them now.
 
Inferno said:
I've soured tremendously on jt Miller...I don't know much about namestnikov but to me..if its even close..I'll take it. Jt strikes me as a guy you don't win with...I know that sounds cliche...but I just don't see it.
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To me, it always looks like Miller is trying to play junior hockey in the NHL
 
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