Proposal: McDavid to NYR

[TFHockey]

This off season and before McDavid's NMC kicks in:


Brennan Othmann
Braden Schneider
K'Andre Miller
Igor Shesterkin
Filip Chytil


Connor McDavid

Oilers receive a really good LW prospect in Othmann, two defensemen who are on ELCs but are already very good, a legit #1 starter in Shesterkin, and a middle six center in Chytil. They also get a lot of cap space for Holland to throw away on those coveted 37+ year old players. Oh and maybe re-sign Kane. Who knows.

The Rangers receive Connor McDavid with no cap dumps and signed long term. The money can work with all of the cap coming off the books next year and nearly $5 Million in cap space they have right now. The Rangers keep all of their top players in the line up; Fox Panarin, Zib, etc and also Lafreniere and Kakko on ELCs to take up positions vacated by pending UFAs. Lastly, as some NY fans have been insisting, Georgiev gets those minutes to show what a great starter he can be.

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[WhereAreTheCookies]

Looking forward to Berns response to this one.

 

[BlueBaron]

Lol. Well you did include Shesterkin but generally these threads are bad form. You expect an Oiler fan to want to trade McDavid? Seriously?

Don't bother with Matthews or MacKinnon offers either.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

This is a fail from the start because this wouldn't even work salary cap wise for the Rangers.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Lol I didn't know McDavid had a NMC...he would 100% waive for new york though

 

[GAGLine]

Lol I didn't know McDavid had a NMC...he would 100% waive for new york though

His NMC doesn't take effect until July 1st, but that's the least of the problems with this proposal.

 

[TGWL]

I love McDavid, but I am curious how we take in + 4 million and have to replace at least a goalie and 2 dmen with no cap space. McDavid isn't being traded to NYR and this doesn't make a lick of sense for them in the long run.

 

[TGWL]

Lol. Well you did include Shesterkin but generally these threads are bad form. You expect an Oiler fan to want to trade McDavid? Seriously?

Don't bother with Matthews or MacKinnon offers either.

This was created by an Edmonton fan.

 

[TFHockey]

This is a fail from the start because this wouldn't even work salary cap wise for the Rangers.

It does according to Cap friendly.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I love the idea of Ken Holland just dropping a nuke on the hockey world and trading his golden calf in some blockbuster move, but I still don't see this happening.

Rangers aren't going to be the ones to land McJesus, even if they're somehow ok with giving up this year's likely Vezina+Hart winner in Igor.

 

[cwede]

NYR say no thanks, sell this amazing opportunity elsewhere

those first 4 names are the young side of the core of NYR for this decade
especially Schneider. Shesty going nowhere

moving Shesty, to add McD, just puts MacD right where he has been, without the top goalie to support him winning big

and the cap implications for next 4-5 years are immense,
even if your CapFriendly snaphot says it fits at a chosen moment
already got Bread, Trouba, Kreider, Zib, Fox at more than half the Cap

 

[bernmeister]

This off season and before McDavid's NMC kicks in:


Brennan Othmann
Braden Schneider
K'Andre Miller
Igor Shesterkin
Filip Chytil


Connor McDavid

Oilers receive a really good LW prospect in Othmann, two defensemen who are on ELCs but are already very good, a legit #1 starter in Shesterkin, and a middle six center in Chytil. They also get a lot of cap space for Holland to throw away on those coveted 37+ year old players. Oh and maybe re-sign Kane. Who knows.

The Rangers receive Connor McDavid with no cap dumps and signed long term. The money can work with all of the cap coming off the books next year and nearly $5 Million in cap space they have right now. The Rangers keep all of their top players in the line up; Fox Panarin, Zib, etc and also Lafreniere and Kakko on ELCs to take up positions vacated by pending UFAs. Lastly, as some NY fans have been insisting, Georgiev gets those minutes to show what a great starter he can be.

No. An honest effort, but no, chief reason b'c it dramatically shortens NY window which could be 7 yrs w/smart maneuvering to 3ish. Note below....

This is a fail from the start because this wouldn't even work salary cap wise for the Rangers.

concur

I love McDavid, but I am curious how we take in + 4 million and have to replace at least a goalie and 2 dmen with no cap space. McDavid isn't being traded to NYR and this doesn't make a lick of sense for them in the long run.

this^

It does according to Cap friendly.

see @cwede post below

NYR say no thanks, sell this amazing opportunity elsewhere

those first 4 names are the young side of the core of NYR for this decade
especially Schneider. Shesty going nowhere

moving Shesty, to add McD, just puts MacD right where he has been, without the top goalie to support him winning big

and the cap implications for next 4-5 years are immense,
even if your CapFriendly snaphot says it fits at a chosen moment
already got Bread, Trouba, Kreider, Zib, Fox at more than half the Cap

da bold
We should not ignore cap and do foolish all in.
Smart build, lose excess vets, stay cap complaint w/youth, build.

 

[EdJovanovski]

NYR say no thanks, sell this amazing opportunity elsewhere

those first 4 names are the young side of the core of NYR for this decade
especially Schneider. Shesty going nowhere

moving Shesty, to add McD, just puts MacD right where he has been, without the top goalie to support him winning big

and the cap implications for next 4-5 years are immense,
even if your CapFriendly snaphot says it fits at a chosen moment
already got Bread, Trouba, Kreider, Zib, Fox at more than half the Cap

Imagine a few years ago those names would've been

Andersson
Chytil
Kravtsov
Lundkvist
Kakko

and Rangers fans would say the same thing you are now, but prospects are magic beans. Getting McDavid without giving up Fox, Lafreniere, Kakko, Panarin or Zibanejad??

 

[beowulf]

Does the OP seriously think that the Rangers would give up all that, especially Shesterkin?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

It does according to Cap friendly.

Kakko is an RFA after this year, so he's not on an ELC next season. Also remember they need to sign players to play in all the positions vacated by the assets traded. The rangers would VERY quickly run out of cap room, they cant play league minimum type guys in all those positions.

 

[bernmeister]

No on McDavid.

I will continue offer made previously for LeoDrai if NY can first obtain extension (sign + trade):

Shesty + Lindgren + Jones
for
Draisatil + Broberg + acceptable pick

above is ballpark cap neutral

While Oil take a hit to F, they get dif maker elite G and add D depth
NY would peddle excess vets to max compete window + be cap compliant.
We have very good Gs in our system, and best G coach. We can stopgap if nec. Geo could be part of a solution, but am open to going younger, cheaper esp w/cap pressure for every nickel

 

[GAGLine]

It does according to Cap friendly.

No it doesn't. Look at next year.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Add Panarin at 50% retained and the Oilers still say no.

 

[Toene]

Why don't the oilers trade Draisaitl instead? His cap is more manageable and you could still get an incredible return. Go get that D+G.

 

[cwede]

Imagine a few years ago those names would've been

Andersson
Chytil
Kravtsov
Lundkvist
Kakko

and Rangers fans would say the same thing you are now, but prospects are magic beans. Getting McDavid without giving up Fox, Lafreniere, Kakko, Panarin or Zibanejad??

fair point

but my other 2 points stand -
- without Shesty, will it be worth it, will they win, or will they become the next Oil/Leafs...
- Cap is overwhelmingly unbalanced if McD is added to Bread, Zib, Fox, Trouba, Kreider (>$56M for 2C, 2RD, 2LW ...

 

[Ignite111]

I mean Ranger fans are being very funny as per usual. Thinking every prospect is gonna will be the next Gretzky or Orr. EdJovanovski couldn't have said any better. "Getting McDavid without giving up Fox, Lafreniere, Kakko, Panarin or Zibanejad??"

Cap doesn't work on the surface but you better believe if that offer was made to the Rangers they would make whatever moves were necessary to get him in a Rangers uni. As they should

 

[bernmeister]

No it doesn't. Look at next year.

Concur w/this^.
As I have been saying, NY needs to ditch all of
Strome + Geo + Hajek + Nemeth + recovery of Hank's 1.5 buyout
just to = 11ish m
which is increase for Fox + Zib raises going forward
THERE CAN BE NO SUBSTITUTION OF OTHER PLAYER SALARIES
we are screwed until Trouba's 8m can be substantially moved w/Schneider elc replacing and Nils L cheap to 3RD.
Then following breadman will not be renewed at 10m+, maybe not at all.
Until then every single nickel has to be scraped. which usually = deal vets for youth.

 

[KlefDown]

Counter:

Shesty @ 50% retained
Fox @50% retained
Panarin @50% retained
Zibby @50% retained
2022 First Rounder
2023 First Rounder
2024 First Rounder Swap Option
2025 First Rounder Swap Option


and even then thats probably a no.

your offer is embarrassing

edit: an oilers fan made this offer???

 

[bernmeister]

I mean Ranger fans are being very funny as per usual. Thinking every prospect is gonna will be the next Gretzky or Orr. EdJovanovski couldn't have said any better. "Getting McDavid without giving up Fox, Lafreniere, Kakko, Panarin or Zibanejad??"

Cap doesn't work on the surface but you better believe if that offer was made to the Rangers they would make whatever moves were necessary to get him in a Rangers uni. As they should

Setting aside making 'have to' moves from a position of weakness is expensive = counterproductive = not smart, NY is backed into a corner. Most of the vet roster can not be moved due to nmcs or heavy ntcs

 

[KlefDown]

Why don't the oilers trade Draisaitl instead? His cap is more manageable and you could still get an incredible return. Go get that D+G.

why do people think Oilers need to trade Draisaitl or McDavid to get a D and G. we have other less valuable assets that can get us those pieces

there is like one dmen I would trade Draisaitl for on a straight deal (Makar) and 0 for McDavid