McDavid taps out Peter Fosberg

[Mulletman]

With a goal and assist against New Jersey, Connor McDavid passed Peter Forsberg on the all time points list. McDavid now has 313+573=886 career points versus Peter Forsberg who has 249+636= 885 career points. McDavid did it 11 years faster than Forsberg as well, since McDavid is only 26, while Forsberg was 37 when he left the NHL. McDavid also played only 83.6 % of the amount of NHL games that Forsberg played. Beating Forsberg in points like this is huge! Especially since many here on HF Boards used to put Forsberg amongst the Top 25 players of all time back in the day.

 

[SkinsFan09]

11 years faster is whatever - there's lots involved in that. The games gap is what matters.

 

[avsfan9]

Great accomplishment but I’m taking prime Forsberg and Sakic over Mcdavid and Draisaitl any day.

 

[63 others]

can simebody era adjust it up?

 

[Phil McKraken]

With a goal and assist against New Jersey, Connor McDavid passed Peter Forsberg on the all time points list. McDavid now has 313+573=886 career points versus Peter Forsberg who has 249+636= 885 career points. McDavid did it 11 years faster than Forsberg as well, since McDavid is only 26, while Forsberg was 37 when he left the NHL. McDavid also played only 83.6 % of the amount of NHL games that Forsberg played. Beating Forsberg in points like this is huge! Especially since many here on HF Boards used to put Forsberg amongst the Top 25 players of all time back in the day.

Doesn't actually sound like a huge gap when considering eras. Plus, Forsberg played the 200 foot game.

 

[Steerpike]

11 years faster is whatever - there's lots involved in that. The games gap is what matters.

McDavid is amazing but this thread is bizarre. Forsberg was never an accumulator. Forsberg played in the heart of the dead puck era. And doing the percentage of games played instead of just giving the numbers reeks of Mulletman knowing that would put everything in appropriate context.

 

[Sheppy]

Here I was thinking McDavid had Forsberg in a triangle choke.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

All the mixed martial arts fans disappointed at thread title

 

[Jamaican Patty]

wow

 

[tfwnogf]

that's great

 

[Right Wing]

that's great

McDavid is amazing but this thread is bizarre. Forsberg was never an accumulator. Forsberg played in the heart of the dead puck era. And doing the percentage of games played instead of just giving the numbers reeks of Mulletman knowing that would put everything in appropriate context.

Forsberg was also way better defensively and a lot tougher. More complete player. But yes offensively McDavid trumps him.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

McDavid is definitely an offensive weapon.

Let's use games played though.

Would be curious what the era adjusted points are. McDavid of coarse would still blow him out of the water on that.

I was listening to a podcast and Brian Boyle bottom 6 player scored 21 goals once.

He talked quickly about McDavids game and mentioned a scenario I see almost every game from him. Blows the zone other team gets puck. Passes to open man. Gets a free high % shot on net.

How many times did Foresberg let that happen? I imagine very limited times.

 

[Steven Toast]

Era adjusted Forsberg has 977 points. McDavid 1040 points.

 

[johan f]

Forsberg was also way better defensively and a lot tougher. More complete player. But yes offensively McDavid trumps him.

Colorado was more than just a top duo (as Edm been). They had 2-3 lines producing.

 

[andora]

Wtf goes into era adjusted?

 

[MadLuke]

One way to look at it
McDavid early nine season and 592 games in.


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[TR]
[TD]Connor McDavid[/TD]

[TD]

592​

[/TD]

[TD]

313​

[/TD]

[TD]

573​

[/TD]

[TD]

886​

[/TD]

[TD]

116​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.5​

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[TD]Nikita Kucherov[/TD]

[TD]

538​

[/TD]

[TD]

257​

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[TD]

436​

[/TD]

[TD]

693​

[/TD]

[TD]

85​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.29​

[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Leon Draisaitl[/TD]

[TD]

626​

[/TD]

[TD]

315​

[/TD]

[TD]

452​

[/TD]

[TD]

767​

[/TD]

[TD]

42​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.23​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MacKinnon[/TD]

[TD]

590​

[/TD]

[TD]

257​

[/TD]

[TD]

438​

[/TD]

[TD]

695​

[/TD]

[TD]

106​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.18​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sidney Crosby[/TD]

[TD]

589​

[/TD]

[TD]

263​

[/TD]

[TD]

413​

[/TD]

[TD]

676​

[/TD]

[TD]

92​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.15​

[/TD]
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[TD]Artemi Panarin[/TD]

[TD]

616​

[/TD]

[TD]

232​

[/TD]

[TD]

467​

[/TD]

[TD]

699​

[/TD]

[TD]

137​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.13​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Auston Matthews[/TD]

[TD]

505​

[/TD]

[TD]

317​

[/TD]

[TD]

252​

[/TD]

[TD]

569​

[/TD]

[TD]

110​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.13​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Patrick Kane[/TD]

[TD]

606​

[/TD]

[TD]

247​

[/TD]

[TD]

434​

[/TD]

[TD]

681​

[/TD]

[TD]

-33​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.12​

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brad Marchand[/TD]

[TD]

596​

[/TD]

[TD]

268​

[/TD]

[TD]

391​

[/TD]

[TD]

659​

[/TD]

[TD]

173​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.11​

[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]David Pastrnak[/TD]

[TD]

572​

[/TD]

[TD]

307​

[/TD]

[TD]

322​

[/TD]

[TD]

629​

[/TD]

[TD]

116​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.1​

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vs Forsberg full first nine seasons in (rookie to the 2005 lock-out), 580 games in, very similar length, very similar games count:


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[TD]Jaromir Jagr[/TD]

[TD]

716​

[/TD]

[TD]

412​

[/TD]

[TD]

578​

[/TD]

[TD]

990​

[/TD]

[TD]

154​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.38​

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[TD]Peter Forsberg[/TD]

[TD]

580​

[/TD]

[TD]

216​

[/TD]

[TD]

525​

[/TD]

[TD]

741​

[/TD]

[TD]

207​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.28​

[/TD]
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[TD]Joe Sakic[/TD]

[TD]

694​

[/TD]

[TD]

327​

[/TD]

[TD]

511​

[/TD]

[TD]

838​

[/TD]

[TD]

136​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.21​

[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Eric Lindros[/TD]

[TD]

552​

[/TD]

[TD]

271​

[/TD]

[TD]

374​

[/TD]

[TD]

645​

[/TD]

[TD]

175​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.17​

[/TD]
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[TD]Gretzky[/TD]

[TD]

362​

[/TD]

[TD]

91​

[/TD]

[TD]

308​

[/TD]

[TD]

399​

[/TD]

[TD]

-55​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.1​

[/TD]
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[TD]Paul Kariya[/TD]

[TD]

657​

[/TD]

[TD]

311​

[/TD]

[TD]

394​

[/TD]

[TD]

705​

[/TD]

[TD]

47​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.07​

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[TD]Ziggy Palffy[/TD]

[TD]

637​

[/TD]

[TD]

318​

[/TD]

[TD]

353​

[/TD]

[TD]

671​

[/TD]

[TD]

84​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.05​

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[TD]Pavel Bure[/TD]

[TD]

478​

[/TD]

[TD]

283​

[/TD]

[TD]

219​

[/TD]

[TD]

502​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.05​

[/TD]
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[TD]Keith Tkachuk[/TD]

[TD]

672​

[/TD]

[TD]

359​

[/TD]

[TD]

333​

[/TD]

[TD]

692​

[/TD]

[TD]

77​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.03​

[/TD]
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[TD]Selanne[/TD]

[TD]

744​

[/TD]

[TD]

351​

[/TD]

[TD]

414​

[/TD]

[TD]

765​

[/TD]

[TD]

48​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.03​

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If we compare their PPG to the average top 10 ppg player excluding themselves

McDavid : 1.5/1.16 = +29.3%
Forsberg: 1.28/1.12 = +14.3%
Jagr: 1.38/1.11 = +24.3%

It can be easy sometime to underrate how great Forsberg was offensively (at scoring goals when he took a shot for example, he had one of the best shot among non all time great goal scorer and scored at a high/near elite pace in the playoffs).

But McDavid is in a rare all-time great offensive producer, double the separation with the most elite of his era type vs a regular great like Forsberg (who brought a lot of other things to the table). Closer to Jagr than Forsberg offensively.

 

[Canovin]

Here I was thinking McDavid had Forsberg in a triangle choke.

More like McDavid had Forsberg in an ankle hold

 

[Strangle]

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[WarriorOfGandhi]

RIP in peace Forsberg

We are richer for having lost him

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

for some reason I imagined them in an MMA ring

Didn't Foppa play in a tug-and-grab era?

 

[Fishy McScales]

Forsberg was an incredible player. I think he would have been rated way, way higher if he were Canadian.

His career was obviously heavily affected by injury and it's hard comparing across eras, but I think McDavid is clearly the bigger talent.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

can simebody era adjust it up?

I found somebody worse than me in English.

 

[Right Wing]

Forsberg was an incredible player. I think he would have been rated way, way higher if he were Canadian.

His career was obviously heavily affected by injury and it's hard comparing across eras, but I think McDavid is clearly the bigger talent.

One has cups and one doesn’t….

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Great accomplishment but I’m taking prime Forsberg and Sakic over Mcdavid and Draisaitl any day.

Cool, McDavid is an objectively better player than both by a large degree

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

One has cups and one doesn’t….

in an era with no salary cap..