McDavid taps out Peter Fosberg

[MadLuke]

When Dionne retired he was 2nd in career goals, assists and points...you have no clue.

And ?

Ron Francis was what 4th and no one would think of putting him in the same category of McDavid scoring wise, playing from 1971 to 1989 was a different world than in the 50s-60s before him, he did not necessarily score more impressively than Mikita-Beliveau-Hull-Delvecchio, those just played in a very different scoring environment and one went to make a fortune in a different league.

And I think he was third, Greztky had 1779 pts by the end of the 88 season plus what he got before mid March 1989 , Howe 1850.

Dionne was one of the best scorer ever with an incredible longevity, but did not peak at a McDavid level.

 

[Dust]

When Forsberg was the same age he had a Calder Trophy, a Stanley Cup, and was a 2x All Star. This was always a poor comparison, but I guess it sparked some debate.

 

[Sniper99]

Shuush you’ll have Oilers fans panties in a knot and screaming at their phones sooo easy to get them riled.

Shuuuuush! You'll get non Oiler fans bitching about secondary assists.. This site is too funny.

 

[crowfish]

Poet does not tend to sing-song over time just for talent without achievement.

Does Brady stat look really better than Marino-Manning and others ?

Brady goat status is a lot from winning.

I kinda hinted at Football being a hard sport to judge the goat in. Brady is by far the weakest "goat" of the other 3 major sports.

 

[McNuge]

When McDavid has his whole heel bone cut and moved, then cut off again and moved back you can pm me.

We forgetting about McDavid's PCL injury? The one everyone thought he was crazy to rehab on it's own?

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

yeah there was hardly any parody back then

Colorado, Detroit or Dallas were in every Conference Final from 1995 to 2002

There was lots of parody back then.

 

[AvsWraith]

Would like to see how McDavid plays on one foot, dragging guys around in the clutch-and-grab era, and with people like Scott Stevens trying to end your career with brutal head shots that are legal.

Would be interesting for sure.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Would like to see how McDavid plays on one foot, dragging guys around in the clutch-and-grab era, and with people like Scott Stevens trying to end your career with brutal head shots that are legal.

Would be interesting for sure.

They would not even be able to catch him, McDavid would skate circles around every player in that era

 

[Right Wing]

That’s cute you think that

Sorry if the truth hurts. Would love to see Oilers and Leaf fans in a battle, would be quite the entertainment

 

[Nikki Potnick]

I wish someone would tap out Mulletman.

 

[cupface52]

Age 21-26 seasons.

McDavid is first in ppg, 1.64ppg, second is 1.44 and 5th is at 1.25
Forsberg was 5th in ppg, with 1.25, first was 1.54 and second being 1.35

Forsberg is closer to Panarin and Pastrnak than he is to McDavid.


I'll never understand the "what if he was healthy". It's no different than saying "what if Thornton had a better shot" or "what if Dionne was 6'1" instead of 5'8". Health is a genetic gift just the same as hockey IQ, shot, reflexes, size, etc.

 

[Slimmy]

Age 21-26 seasons.

McDavid is first in ppg, 1.64ppg, second is 1.44 and 5th is at 1.25
Forsberg was 5th in ppg, with 1.25, first was 1.54 and second being 1.35

Forsberg is closer to Panarin and Pastrnak than he is to McDavid.


I'll never understand the "what if he was healthy". It's no different than saying "what if Thornton had a better shot" or "what if Dionne was 6'1" instead of 5'8". Health is a genetic gift just the same as hockey IQ, shot, reflexes, size, etc.

That's completely nonsensical when you factor in that litterally anyone can get a headshot that can ruin ones career. That LA series where they had to remove Foppas spleen derailed his. Peter was a warrior and the way he played the game resulted in numerous injuries.

 

[karltonian]

Even when forsberg was at his peak he was never considered the ongoing best player in the league by a significant margin. That said he was a physical warrior on a level unlike Mcdavid.

Age 21-26 seasons.

McDavid is first in ppg, 1.64ppg, second is 1.44 and 5th is at 1.25
Forsberg was 5th in ppg, with 1.25, first was 1.54 and second being 1.35

Forsberg is closer to Panarin and Pastrnak than he is to McDavid.


I'll never understand the "what if he was healthy". It's no different than saying "what if Thornton had a better shot" or "what if Dionne was 6'1" instead of 5'8". Health is a genetic gift just the same as hockey IQ, shot, reflexes, size, etc.

Thornton had an elite shot. He just had Lord Joseph Passington's brain.

 

[Slimmy]

Anyone saying they would rather have Peter Forsberg on their team than McDavid when Peter was healthy (oh well) and at his peak is not wrong. They value the full package that Peter brings. The comparison is not a one to one. Peter was a very different player to McDavid.

 

[Spockster]

In order to create such a post, one must probably be in a state of irreversible lunacy.

 

[Slimmy]

They would not even be able to catch him, McDavid would skate circles around every player in that era

A knee to knee hit later and it could be all but over. Ask the Russian Rocket.

 

[Calderon]

Age 21-26 seasons.

McDavid is first in ppg, 1.64ppg, second is 1.44 and 5th is at 1.25
Forsberg was 5th in ppg, with 1.25, first was 1.54 and second being 1.35

Forsberg is closer to Panarin and Pastrnak than he is to McDavid.


I'll never understand the "what if he was healthy". It's no different than saying "what if Thornton had a better shot" or "what if Dionne was 6'1" instead of 5'8". Health is a genetic gift just the same as hockey IQ, shot, reflexes, size, etc.

Not that I'm taking Foppa over McDavid but he did have tougher elite competition: out of top20 all time forwards he competed against what, three, in their respective primes? Lemieux, Sakic, Jagr. Even Lindros was heading to that group until the concussions*.

McDavid has competed, I'd claim, against zero future top20 forwards in their respective primes (Crosby and Ovi way past their primes even though Sid is still at excellent level; I guess you could argue Ovi has still been in his prime having won three Rockets with McD in the league). I don't see Draisaitl, Matthews, MacKinnon or even Kucherov reaching top20.

*(Though truth be told, Lindros probably wasn't on a higher all time trajectory than the current foursome I mentioned above.)

 

[Shark Finn]

Taps out?

 

[Hockeyholic]

McDavid is the better offensive player.

I doubt you would find many Avs fans who would want prime McDavid over prime Forsberg in the postseason.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Would like to see how McDavid plays on one foot, dragging guys around in the clutch-and-grab era, and with people like Scott Stevens trying to end your career with brutal head shots that are legal.

Would be interesting for sure.

Likely would see a much different McDavid out there

 

[GoldenKnight]

Why go as high as 125? Why not stop at around 50, 75 or 100?

Your initial reply was still not correct. Also, Forsberg is not a top 50 player either.

He's closer to players ranked around 25 than he is to players ranked around 125.

That's debatable.

 

[blundluntman]

Your initial reply was still not correct. Also, Forsberg is not a top 50 player either.


That's debatable.

Forsberg was ranked #51 in the last HoH Top 100 players list. Last time I checked, 51 is closer to 25 than it is to 125. Top 25 is not accurate but it's not as hyperbolic as 125.