McDavid surpasses Ovechkin in all time playoff points

[avocadosmoothie]

Clueless take.

he's not wrong though

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Now tell us about how Forsling = Lidstrom.

Now tell us about how 39 years old Lidstrom compares to his prime.

 

[Coldnwindy]

Are people putting Ovechkin down now? The player with the most goals in NHL history?

It's always going to happen in these forums. The biggest demographic here, a majority consisting of boomer Americans/Canadians, wont be able to look at his accomplishments objectively because of his nationality, ever.

 

[Booker T]

It's always going to happen in these forums. The biggest demographic here, a majority consisting of boomer Americans/Canadians, wont be able to look at his accomplishments objectively because of his nationality, ever.

lol get the f*** out of here with this nonsense. Half this forum doesn’t even know who Sergei Fedorov is.

 

[Video Nasty]

295 points is second place for the playoffs, McDavid needs to double his points from now, not likely.

He has 148 points right now, will finish mid 150s then needs 140 more, that's a tough hill to climb in a salary cap NHL and possible injuries, upsets ect.....

Regular season is much more likely though as he 'only' needs 840 more to pass Jagr and will be 29 next season..

Sure, anything negative could happen.

But we’re talking about a player who will likely have piled up 130+ points over the past four postseasons, which won’t be too far behind Gretzky’s own high of 139 over four consecutive postseasons.

He absolutely will miss the playoffs or be part of teams that get bounced early again in the future, but the rate he can rack up points in the playoffs is something only matched or exceeded by Gretzky, and that tells me he has a great chance.

I think he’ll join Gretzky in the 300 point club.

 

[pnep]

How did you select which players to include here?

?
all players with 150+ po pts.

 

[jackjohnson]

If he was that good the Penguins wouldnt have a cup....Florida only has Barkov who probably wins 3+ Selkes by the end of his career matched against them its like you are saying that they are going against a terrible team and Florida has an incredibly strong top 9 not simply a few stars.

Never said Florida had a bad team. Datsyuk was a different breed. I would take him over Barkov when both are at peak.

 

[Devilsfan118]

Ovi has a decent playoff resume, McDavid has an elite one, nothing wrong with that.

1 > 0 last I checked..

 

[Devilsfan118]

Ovi and Crosby would never sniff a cup if this Florida team was around

The recency bias is staggering.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Ovi and Crosby would never sniff a cup if this Florida team was around

Oilers are lucky they faced a below average cup winner in the finals

 

[bambamcam4ever]

09 Detroit was damn good, but yeah none of the finalists in 16, 17, or 18 were better than this Florida team.

But Washington in 16 and 17 was better than Florida.

 

[Hanji]

Okay I will rephrase it.

Ovi has decent playoff resume considering where people are placing him in an all time sense.

His all time ranking depends much more on the regular season than playoffs than most players being ranked around him.

WHe is generally considered the second best player since the lockout but in the playoffs his overall value is really nowhere near that high and arguable in the lower top 10, or even just outside of the top 10, of forwards instead of second.

For position players, only Sid, Malkin and McDavid have a better resume for players of ovechkin’s generation. Let’s not underestimate how much a Conn Smythe factors into things.
Ovi has that over all-timers like Hull, Bourque, Jagr, Potvin, Esposito, Mikita,

 

[jetsforever]

?
all players with 150+ po pts.

I mean the "on pace" ones - seems to be a somewhat random assortment

 

[pnep]

I mean the "on pace" ones - seems to be a somewhat random assortment

include: active players with "on pace" games < 265 (miss the cut-off example: Alexis Lafrenière, 281 "on pace")
exclude: older players who don't have enough PO PTS to reach 150 before the end of their career (example: Mark Scheifele, Artemi Panarin, John Tavares, Claude Giroux, Anze Kopitar)

 

[bobbyking]

gretzky 150 pts by 24 WHAT THE PUCK

 

[Lou Sassole]

Ovi and Crosby would never sniff a cup if this Florida team was around

Insane take.

 

[66-30-33]

question - what is the third ring plugging? thank you.

You don't wanna know.

 

[66-30-33]

Let’s also not forget that McDavid is likely going to hit 200 points about 50 games quicker than Crosby.

Well, he is a freak of nature that which nobody can deny, even if you hated him.

 

[daver]

Crosbys 3 rings are plugging his ears.

Don't ask what Ovechkin's is plugging.

 

[daver]

But Washington in 16 and 17 was better than Florida.

No, you can't argue that plausibly. There is nothing to indicate the Panthers are not worthy of being mentioned above any other team that didn't reach the SCF three times in a limited window of time/with the same core.

As for the OP, meh.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Now tell us about how 39 years old Lidstrom compares to his prime.

38 - Won Norris
39 - 3rd in Norris Voting
40 - 4th in Norris Voting
41 - Won Norris

39 year old Nick Lidstrom was a clinical shutdown machine. Are you going to try to argue otherwise?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

38 - Won Norris
39 - 3rd in Norris Voting
40 - 4th in Norris Voting
41 - Won Norris

39 year old Nick Lidstrom was a clinical shutdown machine. Are you going to try to argue otherwise?

Popularity/reputation votes.

In anyway, it's Crosby who got shutdown and Malkin who did the exploitation scoring, so Detroit wasn't that great, no?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Popularity/reputation votes.

In anyway, it's Crosby who got shutdown and Malkin who did the exploitation scoring, so Detroit wasn't that great, no?

lol

If you're coming out here baselessly dismissing late-period Nick Lidstrom there's no point in continuing a conversation, you're just wasting bandwidth. Adios.

 

[wetcoast]

Sure, anything negative could happen.

It's not a negative , it's about probabilities.

But we’re talking about a player who will likely have piled up 130+ points over the past four postseasons, which won’t be too far behind Gretzky’s own high of 139 over four consecutive postseasons.

He absolutely will miss the playoffs or be part of teams that get bounced early again in the future, but the rate he can rack up points in the playoffs is something only matched or exceeded by Gretzky, and that tells me he has a great chance.

I think he’ll join Gretzky in the 300 point club.

Sure this could happen but like I said all it takes is a couple of first round goalie upsets, injuries ect.. and the regular season second place is a lot more in reach than the playoff one which has many more variables

 

[wetcoast]

1 > 0 last I checked..

We are talking players and you bring in the team thing with zero context.

Thanks for the insight.