McDavid Gets 3-games

[Oilers88]

I love pissy Leon. Hopefully he's angry tonight and takes it out on the Capitals.

 

[PuckG]

Sure, I agree--in the sense that the terminology of "protecting the stars" shouldn't be used. It's never been about "protecting" stars, which suggests special treatment.

The stars' "special treatment," if anything, comes from their own ability to play hockey better than most other players. Connor McDavid is going to have the puck more than other players. He's going to skate faster. He's going to shoot better. He's going to have a bigger effect on the game than lesser players. By extension, he's going to naturally draw more infractions by virtue that the other team has to work harder to stop him. Calling the game by the book isn't about protecting him; it's about not punishing him for being better than everyone else. This has always come down to an executive decision to effect parity in the league.

Calling the obvious infractions against guys like McDavid has never been about protecting star players. But it needs to be made clear: not calling penalties for infractions against McDavid is about protecting the shittier players and teams in the NHL.

This should be pinned in every thread on this topic. Well said.

 

[CROTT]

I love pissy Leon. Hopefully he's angry tonight and takes it out on the Capitals.

In his post game for the Canucks game you could tell he was pissed about the BS that went on. He played off the questions but his demeanour was way different than previous interviews after a loss.

 

[dirtyoil]

So here are the refs’ options as I see them:

1) They blow it dead because of Garland's hold or interference.
Result? Oilers are up in arms as they had the puck. Maybe they win the draw maybe they don't...50-50 benefit. Oh yeah, there's 10 seconds left.

2) The ref puts his hand up for a delayed penalty.
Result? Nothing happens as the Oilers have the puck. Maybe they give it to a Canuck. Maybe the Canuck is smart enough to not play it. No benefit.

3) Both players are called for interference/holding/roughing.
Result? 5 on 4 for 10 seconds, without McD on the ice, and the faceoff is outside.

Which of those should it have been?

 

[McAsuno]

I'm not a fan of Subban particularly but he's 100% bang on.

It's hilarious how many former players like him, Whitney, Pronger, etc have spoken up about how horseshit the officiating is.

 

[Juxta Position]

Really I’m not even mad about the suspension.

I’m mad about the fact it even got to that point.

This league loves scrubs more than it’s stars and that is why they are losing viewers.

That's the crux of it right there. The NHL has no idea what fans want to see. they are completely oblivious to the fact that fans want to see stars do their thing. The league truly believes that fans want to see 4th line scrubs drag the best players in the league down to their level because that's "old time hockey" Well it's not old-time hockey. I'm old, and old time hockey was somebody would do that Gretzky and Semenko would hop over the boards and murder that guy. THAT was old-time hockey.

The NHL doesn't want that but they still allow the stars to get molested on ice, but then they say they don't want the players to police themselves either, while simultaneously telling the refs to strive for "parity" and to "keep games close". The NHL has literally become the worst of both worlds.

 

[McAsuno]

That's the crux of it right there. The NHL has no idea what fans want to see. they are completely oblivious to the fact that fans want to see stars do their thing. The league truly believes that fans want to see 4th line scrubs drag the best players in the league down to their level because that's "old time hockey" Well it's not old-time hockey. I'm old, and old time hockey was somebody would do that Gretzky and Semenko would hop over the boards and murder that guy. THAT was old-time hockey.

The NHL doesn't want that but they still allow the stars to get molested on ice, but then they say they don't want the players to police themselves either, while simultaneously telling the refs to strive for "parity" and to "keep games close". The NHL has literally become the worst of both worlds.

Irked Lemieux threatens retirement

Mario Lemieux said he is tired of getting kicked around, and is unsure if he's willing to take it after this season.

www.tampabay.com

I was born in the year of 1994, and the league STILL doesn't change any f***ing thing about the officials. How comical. I know Connor has too much class to say or do it, but if I were in his shoes, I'd pull a Lemieux.

Pittsburgh coach Eddie Johnston said the NHL has to protect its marquee players the way the NFL protects its quarterbacks. He said players such as Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky should receive "preferential treatment."

Bunch of old ass dinosaurs running this league.

 

[bellagiobob]

So here are the refs’ options as I see them:

1) They blow it dead because of Garland's hold or interference.
Result? Oilers are up in arms as they had the puck. Maybe they win the draw maybe they don't...50-50 benefit. Oh yeah, there's 10 seconds left.

2) The ref puts his hand up for a delayed penalty.
Result? Nothing happens as the Oilers have the puck. Maybe they give it to a Canuck. Maybe the Canuck is smart enough to not play it. No benefit.

3) Both players are called for interference/holding/roughing.
Result? 5 on 4 for 10 seconds, without McD on the ice, and the faceoff is outside.

Which of those should it have been?

Just do his job and put the hand up. It likely wouldn’t have changed anything, but the integrity of the officials wouldn’t be questioned then. Then it’s up to the league if they need to tweak the rules to take away the advantage this creates for the offending team.

 

[North]

So here are the refs’ options as I see them:

1) They blow it dead because of Garland's hold or interference.
Result? Oilers are up in arms as they had the puck. Maybe they win the draw maybe they don't...50-50 benefit. Oh yeah, there's 10 seconds left.

2) The ref puts his hand up for a delayed penalty.
Result? Nothing happens as the Oilers have the puck. Maybe they give it to a Canuck. Maybe the Canuck is smart enough to not play it. No benefit.

3) Both players are called for interference/holding/roughing.
Result? 5 on 4 for 10 seconds, without McD on the ice, and the faceoff is outside.

Which of those should it have been?

There is another option:

If the ref puts his arm up the Oilers could give up possession in order to get the extra man on the ice for whatever time is left.

 

[Juxta Position]

So here are the refs’ options as I see them:

1) They blow it dead because of Garland's hold or interference.
Result? Oilers are up in arms as they had the puck. Maybe they win the draw maybe they don't...50-50 benefit. Oh yeah, there's 10 seconds left.

2) The ref puts his hand up for a delayed penalty.
Result? Nothing happens as the Oilers have the puck. Maybe they give it to a Canuck. Maybe the Canuck is smart enough to not play it. No benefit.

3) Both players are called for interference/holding/roughing.
Result? 5 on 4 for 10 seconds, without McD on the ice, and the faceoff is outside.

Which of those should it have been?

That's just flat out wrong thinking. it's not a question of the ref running all these scenarios through his head and deciding what's the best option, that's not his job, his job is to call infractions. If he puts his arm in the air, and McDavid sees that, I guarantee the crosscheck doesn't happen regardless of when and if the Canucks get possession and the play gets whistled down. McDavid sees no delayed penalty forthcoming gets frustrated and lashes out, then HE is the one who is punished by the league for the refs not doing their jobs.

The root of the problem is the NHL believes if it calls a lot of penalties, they're deciding the outcome of the game when in reality it's the PLAYERS WHO ARE CHEATING that is deciding the outcome of the game.

the equivalent would be a cop not arresting a murderer because the murderer has a family and the cop blames himself that the murderer is now in jail and can't look after his family.

The NHL takes all the accountability of the players for cheating away.

 

[North]

That's the crux of it right there. The NHL has no idea what fans want to see. they are completely oblivious to the fact that fans want to see stars do their thing. The league truly believes that fans want to see 4th line scrubs drag the best players in the league down to their level because that's "old time hockey" Well it's not old-time hockey. I'm old, and old time hockey was somebody would do that Gretzky and Semenko would hop over the boards and murder that guy. THAT was old-time hockey.

The NHL doesn't want that but they still allow the stars to get molested on ice, but then they say they don't want the players to police themselves either, while simultaneously telling the refs to strive for "parity" and to "keep games close". The NHL has literally become the worst of both worlds.

The other problem is the talking heads on intermission panels who know this is happening and act like it’s okay. They’re like NHL state media.

“How else are you going to stop him?” Eff off with that.

That's just flat out wrong thinking. it's not a question of the ref running all these scenarios through his head and deciding what's the best option, that's not his job, his job is to call infractions. If he puts his arm in the air, and McDavid sees that, I guarantee the crosscheck doesn't happen regardless of when and if the Canucks get possession and the play gets whistled down. McDavid sees no delayed penalty forthcoming gets frustrated and lashes out, then HE is the one who is punished by the league for the refs not doing their jobs.

The root of the problem is the NHL believes if it calls a lot of penalties, they're deciding the outcome of the game when in reality it's the PLAYERS WHO ARE CHEATING that is deciding the outcome of the game.

the equivalent would be a cop not arresting a murderer because the murderer has a family and the cop blames himself that the murderer is now in jail and can't look after his family.

The NHL takes all the accountability of the players for cheating away.

Actually they are affecting the outcome of the game by refusing to call obvious infractions.

 

[Juxta Position]

Irked Lemieux threatens retirement

Mario Lemieux said he is tired of getting kicked around, and is unsure if he's willing to take it after this season.

www.tampabay.com

I was born in the year of 1994, and the league STILL doesn't change any f***ing thing about the officials. How comical. I know Connor has too much class to say or do it, but if I were in his shoes, I'd pull a Lemieux.

Pittsburgh coach Eddie Johnston said the NHL has to protect its marquee players the way the NFL protects its quarterbacks. He said players such as Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky should receive "preferential treatment."

Bunch of old ass dinosaurs running this league.

I don't think anyone is asking "preferential treatment" People just are tired of seeing the best player in the world be punished for being the best player in the world.

It's ridiculous that the NHL actually believes that because McDavid is better than everybody else, he should "expect to fight through more" I've actually heard that said by public figures and they really believe that garbage.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I want to thank the league for making Connor mad. He probably needs that motivation.

Probably ups the chance he renews here too.

This is an interesting take. I'd add one further that instances like the league actively not calling infractions directed at McDavid and then suspending him for his reaction is setting further stage for Connor to see the league as operating against himself, and other star players. This would lead to a feeling that only the team, the room, Draisaitl, coaching staff etc got his back.

What the NHL that wants McD to play elsewhere next contract doesn't realize is that transactions like this cause or help McD to make the insular decision to remain here.

Unintended benefit and cost is always an interesting way to look at transactions that occur. McD now leveraged even more to stay with the org that has his back.

Kudos Davo

 

[Arpeggio]

That's just flat out wrong thinking. it's not a question of the ref running all these scenarios through his head and deciding what's the best option, that's not his job, his job is to call infractions. If he puts his arm in the air, and McDavid sees that, I guarantee the crosscheck doesn't happen regardless of when and if the Canucks get possession and the play gets whistled down. McDavid sees no delayed penalty forthcoming gets frustrated and lashes out, then HE is the one who is punished by the league for the refs not doing their jobs.

The root of the problem is the NHL believes if it calls a lot of penalties, they're deciding the outcome of the game when in reality it's the PLAYERS WHO ARE CHEATING that is deciding the outcome of the game.

the equivalent would be a cop not arresting a murderer because the murderer has a family and the cop blames himself that the murderer is now in jail and can't look after his family.

The NHL takes all the accountability of the players for cheating away.

I think both things can be true. I think McDavid is probably crosschecking Garland in the head no matter what, and frankly he deserves it. That's a chicken shit way to win a game. Sure, you could just tackle everyone on the ice for the last 10 seconds, or rip their sticks out of their hands. Do you think the NHL wants that garbage at the end of every game?

Maybe tonight if the Oilers are up a goal in the final ten seconds of a game, I'd love to see Draisaitl just rip Ovechkin's stick out of his hands and throw it down the ice. Would love to see that precedent set. Maybe have your own player bump into Skinner and knock his mask off if things get a little dicey, oops face-off.

At some point it's a game that the players have to decide to play fairly. And if you break those rules, then maybe you get a cross check to the head. McDavid was never knocking anyone out with that cross check, Garland will be fine.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Sure, I agree--in the sense that the terminology of "protecting the stars" shouldn't be used. It's never been about "protecting" stars, which suggests special treatment.

The stars' "special treatment," if anything, comes from their own ability to play hockey better than most other players. Connor McDavid is going to have the puck more than other players. He's going to skate faster. He's going to shoot better. He's going to have a bigger effect on the game than lesser players. By extension, he's going to naturally draw more infractions by virtue that the other team has to work harder to stop him. Calling the game by the book isn't about protecting him; it's about not punishing him for being better than everyone else. This has always come down to an executive decision to effect parity in the league.

Calling the obvious infractions against guys like McDavid has never been about protecting star players. But it needs to be made clear: not calling penalties for infractions against McDavid is about protecting the shittier players and teams in the NHL.

I don't think I've ever seen this dynamic better stated. Beautifully worded.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

I'm not a fan of Subban particularly but he's 100% bang on.

It's hilarious how many former players like him, Whitney, Pronger, etc have spoken up about how horseshit the officiating is.

I agree, they weren't going to call Garland for anything. That's really wrong. I'm sure Garland was even expecting to get called. Its pretty common in in the game to take a penalty in the final seconds if you are under pressure in your on end.
however
What PK is missing is that we had possession the whole time. The only way they could have blown the play dead is if we were getting the penalty.

 

[Arpeggio]

Just to appease the other side here, it's not like McDavid doesn't embellish calls a little bit here and there. He definitely looks for contact when he starts rushing up the ice, and he's drawn a number of interference calls that way. But he does it because if he just gets interfered with a hook or a hold, and he tries to skate through it, it just won't be called, and he still loses the scoring chance. Like he has to make it super obvious every time he's interfered with, otherwise the refs will just ignore it.

I don't really care that he got suspended, if anything it probably brings a little juice into the locker room for a team that probably needs it to get through some of the more boring sections of the regular season schedule. I think in the long run this whole thing probably galvanizes the team a bit. If McDavid needs to cross check a few guys in the head to get a message across, I'm alright with it.

 

[Arpeggio]

I agree, they weren't going to call Garland for anything. That's really wrong. I'm sure Garland was even expecting to get called. Its pretty common in in the game to take a penalty in the final seconds if you are under pressure in your on end.
however
What PK is missing is that we had possession the whole time. The only way they could have blown the play dead is if we were getting the penalty.

I'm not sure that's actually true? Like if there's a scrum behind the play, or someone jumps another guy, they often blow the play down immediately. In this case, I think you're likely correct, in that the Oilers probably wouldn't have given the puck up right away, and I'm not sure they'd even have wanted to with that little amount of time left on the clock. But I think they probably could've blown it dead if they wanted to.

The NHL really should add a rule where a penalty in the last ten seconds adds 10-15 seconds back on to the clock. It really should be a full two minutes, but let's not introduce too much math for the big brains in the head office.

 

[fancy dan]

is there any repercussions for the referees in this game?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

1440 is going at it.
Lowetide and Donovan saying “this is hockey that’s the way it is, suck it up” and the younger guy whose name escapes me is saying “this isn’t the way hockey should be”. I am on the younger guy side. Call all of the f***ing penalties and let the skill shine. f*** these bottom 6 players and Trouba’s

Lowetide is a dinosaur like the rest of them. Atrocious that he says that. F*** all of those guy who think this way.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

I'm not sure that's actually true? Like if there's a scrum behind the play, or someone jumps another guy, they often blow the play down immediately. In this case, I think you're likely correct, in that the Oilers probably wouldn't have given the puck up right away, and I'm not sure they'd even have wanted to with that little amount of time left on the clock. But I think they probably could've blown it dead if they wanted to.

The NHL really should add a rule where a penalty in the last ten seconds adds 10-15 seconds back on to the clock. It really should be a full two minutes, but let's not introduce too much math for the big brains in the head office.

Thats a really interesting thought.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

So here are the refs’ options as I see them:

1) They blow it dead because of Garland's hold or interference.
Result? Oilers are up in arms as they had the puck. Maybe they win the draw maybe they don't...50-50 benefit. Oh yeah, there's 10 seconds left.

2) The ref puts his hand up for a delayed penalty.
Result? Nothing happens as the Oilers have the puck. Maybe they give it to a Canuck. Maybe the Canuck is smart enough to not play it. No benefit.

3) Both players are called for interference/holding/roughing.
Result? 5 on 4 for 10 seconds, without McD on the ice, and the faceoff is outside.

Which of those should it have been?

In that exact instance - 2 - It's up to Drai or the bench to yell instructions as to whether to hold onto the puck or relinquish control

But it is a larger issue that the rules or the calls apply differently to McD just because he's so much better than 99% of the other players on the ice... and it's pissing him off, rightfully so

 

[CanadasTeam99]

There is another option:

If the ref puts his arm up the Oilers could give up possession in order to get the extra man on the ice for whatever time is left.

I believe the ref has discretion to blow the play dead when the arm goes up in certain cases like this.

is there any repercussions for the referees in this game?

I want to see which game this POS referee refs next. It's just insane how much they manage the games. Just do your job (unless the league is telling them to do this) and call legit things. They ruined that EDM-VAN game within half a period.

 

[nORRis8]

OK
Protect from what?
Holding?
I know I know
I don't like that its the same suspension the Myers got but it was a crosscheck to the face a week after he got away with an elbow to the chin. Don't be naïve to think the 2 aren't related, no doubt he was at least contacted about that elbow.

Some players get away with it who don't have a rep like McDavid, then you have an asshole like Sam Bennett who does incredibly stupid stuff but never seems to get suspended from it. It's mind boggling.

This league in insufferable.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

.... Sam Bennett who does incredibly stupid stuff but never seems to get suspended from it.......

Agreed, we need to pick a lane and these things need to be penalized Bennett or McDavid