McDavid elbows M. Johansson

[GoldenBearHockey]

It still looks like a deliberate fly-by elbow to the chin resulting in a concussion. No matter how subtle the movement or how barely he catches him.

Actually those are the worst ones for brains when you hit just the very tip of the chin. Very possible that Johansson was even out of it for a fraction of a second.

Anyway it's really hard to understand the victim blaming in this thread. It really is.

It's not really hard to understand, EDM fans are freaking delusional.....see...all cleared up.

 

[wetcoast]

So that's legal now, according to refs:



Should be a suspension, but it's McDavid so likely nothing is gonna happen imo. Don't get me wrong, I love watching McDavid, he is an awesome player. But that was just a dirty play and it was on purpose too.

Flame away.

Greg Louganis would be proud that's a 10 out of 10.

 

[Czechboy]

well ya, it isnt some crazy obvious attack like that.

but i cant see how its not intentional or dangerous.

elbows square on the chin dont take much, but ya, maybe even less if he has issues. Some of the Crosby concussion hits were very mininal, imo. so maybe thats part of it.

Regardless of anything else, he put his elbow onto his chin on purpose. It would probably be a game or two if it werent a star doing it.

Definitely intentional. But I think shit like that happens every night and goes uncalled. And I know this because I watch every Oiler game and it happens to him a lot.lol.

For fun.. imaging if the intentional 4cm chicken wing happens to Connor and he went down like that? The thread would be amazing to read about Mc Baby embellishing lol.

But, I read a post above that said he did intentional hit him (true) and he did get concussed (also true). I'm actually leaning towards he should've got a suspension now because I can't argue those 2 things.

Using my google lawyer knowledge this was more manslaughter then murder as I don't think the intent was concussion but that is what resulted. If I'm a Wild fan, I'm doubly pissed because they've lost a lot of good players to dirty plays lately.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Definitely intentional. But I think shit like that happens every night and goes uncalled. And I know this because I watch every Oiler game and it happens to him a lot.lol.

For fun.. imaging if the intentional 4cm chicken wing happens to Connor and he went down like that? The thread would be amazing to read about Mc Baby embellishing lol.

But, I read a post above that said he did intentional hit him (true) and he did get concussed (also true). I'm actually leaning towards he should've got a suspension now because I can't argue those 2 things.

Using my google lawyer knowledge this was more manslaughter then murder as I don't think the intent was concussion but that is what resulted. If I'm a Wild fan, I'm doubly pissed because they've lost a lot of good players to dirty plays lately.

certainly refreshing to see a rational take like this, they've been few and far between from some of the (oilers) fans in this thread.

 

[MNRube]

3rd

Are you talking about yourself ? Or maybe the arm flapping idiot diving like he got sniped from the second row, or Hartman the headhunting goof who still hasn't gotten what he deserves. Bottom line is if the league isn't going to protect its 2 biggest stars against goofy players, Im all for these superstars protecting themselves. McDavid should have smashed that face in. Barely even touched the guy. It was more of a reactive micromovement that happens at fast speeds. Fxxx the Wild.

Super reasonable human being ^^^. All class

 

[Czechboy]

certainly refreshing to see a rational take like this, they've been few and far between from some of the (oilers) fans in this thread.

It's hard because the play is absolutely bizarre and happened at 100mph. When you see the reaction you think bullshit! But I gave 2 examples earlier of guys with concussion histories going down like that.

Here is the Kase one



If Connor landed a '4cm chicken wing' this was more a 10cm chicken wing but Kase has concussion history and went down hard. He's not in the NHL anymore and had to leave because of this. And, for sure, the Preds player wasn't trying to kill him. It was a small elbow to a concussed history players head and his reaction was scary. I don't think he 'faked it'.

BUT, I'm positive there is a thread when this happened of me saying 'never hit the head' because Kase was my boy!

 

[Dingo]

Definitely intentional. But I think shit like that happens every night and goes uncalled. And I know this because I watch every Oiler game and it happens to him a lot.lol.

For fun.. imaging if the intentional 4cm chicken wing happens to Connor and he went down like that? The thread would be amazing to read about Mc Baby embellishing lol.

But, I read a post above that said he did intentional hit him (true) and he did get concussed (also true). I'm actually leaning towards he should've got a suspension now because I can't argue those 2 things.

Using my google lawyer knowledge this was more manslaughter then murder as I don't think the intent was concussion but that is what resulted. If I'm a Wild fan, I'm doubly pissed because they've lost a lot of good players to dirty plays lately.

oh ya, there would be bad takes if it were McDavid, for sure.

But, on both sides - a lot of the Oilers posters who are mocking Johansson would have a a total change of heart on this type of contact, im sure.

- I dont wacth the Wild, dont even know the roster
- not familiar with Johansson, too low end to make my radar, lol
- I like McDavid, and am not one way or the other with the Oilers
- This, from a neutral viewpoint, was an intentional, and sneaky, shot to the head that resulted in injury. Imo you cant do that.

 

[Czechboy]

oh ya, there would be bad takes if it were McDavid, for sure.

But, on both sides - a lot of the Oilers posters who are mocking Johansson would have a a total change of heart on this type of contact, im sure.

- I dont wacth the Wild, dont even know the roster
- not familiar with Johansson, too low end to make my radar, lol
- I like McDavid, and am not one way or the other with the Oilers
- This, from a neutral viewpoint, was an intentional, and sneaky, shot to the head that resulted in injury. Imo you cant do that.

Can't argue any of that. I'm a huge McD fan and OIler fan. Learning about the wild now because Jiricek is on them for a hot minute.lol

 

[Dingo]

Can't argue any of that. I'm a huge McD fan and OIler fan. Learning about the wild now because Jiricek is on them for a hot minute.lol

side note - does it suck that the Czechs arent in the Four Nations? and also, did you like or dislike when they made Team Remainder of Europe in .... 2016?

 

[Czechboy]

side note - does it suck that the Czechs arent in the Four Nations? and also, did you like or dislike when they made Team Remainder of Europe in .... 2016?

It does suck. I can justify it because we don't 'technically' have 6 NHL D and that is why. We are overloaded at G and definitely have enough forwards and I think a tournament like this could benefit from seeing Pasta and Necas flying around. I still maintain they could've used AHL guys on NHL contracts to fill the D OR use the 2 Czech D that aren't IIHF eligible but NHL eligible. Xhekaj and Ludvig are both half Czech.

Gudas Hronek
Rutta Jiricek
Xhekaj Ludvig

Or toss in AHL guys like Kral, Svozil and Spacek. We are the defending world champs (lower tier for sure) and could definitely hang with anyone. It wouldn't have been 10-0 blowouts. It also would've helped us a LOT for 2026 Olympics to give some younger guys experience.

I hated the mixed combo teams with a passion I cannot explain.lol That's not international hockey. I would take no joy in watching Pasta, Dostal and Necas raising a World Cup trophy with other Slovaks/Germans/Swiss/Latvian stars. I don't mind being an underdog internationally at all. Eg. the fake Czechoslovakia team would be a contender as we'd pick up Cermak, Fehervary, Nemec and Slaf. Or the Czech German team - imagine adding Stutz, Drai, Peterka and Seider to our roster? We are basically 4 players away from relevancy again and I think they are coming in the pipe. You combine us with Switzerland and we are flying too! Our top 6 would be lethal and we'd have a Josi back there.lol But I would hate all of it. Just like I wouldn't want to see a combined team of Americans and Canadians like last time. I want to see Canadians and Americans at war with each other on the ice. It's the best rivalry in hockey right now. Not sitting beside each other.

 

[Dingo]

It does suck. I can justify it because we don't 'technically' have 6 NHL D and that is why. We are overloaded at G and definitely have enough forwards and I think a tournament like this could benefit from seeing Pasta and Necas flying around. I still maintain they could've used AHL guys on NHL contracts to fill the D OR use the 2 Czech D that aren't IIHF eligible but NHL eligible. Xhekaj and Ludvig are both half Czech.

Gudas Hronek
Rutta Jiricek
Xhekaj Ludvig

Or toss in AHL guys like Kral, Svozil and Spacek. We are the defending world champs (lower tier for sure) and could definitely hang with anyone. It wouldn't have been 10-0 blowouts. It also would've helped us a LOT for 2026 Olympics to give some younger guys experience.

I hated the mixed combo teams with a passion I cannot explain.lol That's not international hockey. I would take no joy in watching Pasta, Dostal and Necas raising a World Cup trophy with other Slovaks/Germans/Swiss/Latvian stars. I don't mind being an underdog internationally at all. Eg. the fake Czechoslovakia team would be a contender as we'd pick up Cermak, Fehervary, Nemec and Slaf. Or the Czech German team - imagine adding Stutz, Drai, Peterka and Seider to our roster? We are basically 4 players away from relevancy again and I think they are coming in the pipe. You combine us with Switzerland and we are flying too! Our top 6 would be lethal and we'd have a Josi back there.lol But I would hate all of it. Just like I wouldn't want to see a combined team of Americans and Canadians like last time. I want to see Canadians and Americans at war with each other on the ice. It's the best rivalry in hockey right now. Not sitting beside each other.

ya, i had a feeling you (and the rest of the people over there) felt this way.

As a fan of European players, since the 80s, I want to see them do better, and the number of players/rinks per little country just makes it so hard to compete as equals.

Doesnt seem to be an answer, really. Some geopolitical atrocity might unify things..., but that proooobably isnt worth it just for a great hockey team

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

An elbow to the head is always a dirty play. Dirty, though, does not always = suspendable.

So I was on the fence for a while, because that really did look like a minor tap, at least relative to what I'd normally consider a suspendable elbow.

But Johanssen is on the IR. These guys all know that you can't hit someone in the head, and with the pads they're using, even a "tap" can obviously cause serious head injuries*. This play historically wouldn't be considered all that bad, but I think the league needs to change that, and a suspension here would have been a good place to start. The league's premiere player suspended = DO NOT HIT PLAYERS IN THE HEAD.

Hopefully Johanssen is alright. This also, I think, might call into question some issues around medical clearance.

*I've seen some people saying he flopped and injured himself hitting the ice. Haven't seen any angles remotely corroborating this, so we'll have to assume the elbow caused the injury.

 

[Sol]

McDavid as good as he is really needs to stop with his dirty antics. At some point someone will push his skull through the boards and no one will feed bad for him.

 

[11Messier]

For those that feel this is suspendible, can someone please show an example of when the 2 minute penalty called "Elbowing" applies? I agree that this should have been called a penalty just like the slew foots were missed. It's unfortunate that a concussion prone player got hurt but that doesn't change anything. If someone's stick hit his jaw with the same force and the same injury result, does that player deserve to get suspended. No, he gets a 2 min high sticking penalty. Again, as for the elbow, its as minor of an elbow I've seen...Still a penalty... But if that is suspension worthy, I would like to see what a 2min Elbowing penalty looks like that doesn't deserve a suspension.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

McDavid as good as he is really needs to stop with his dirty antics. At some point someone will push his skull through the boards and no one will feed bad for him.

Just to be clear, this already happens with regularity. People seem to delight in it. Perhaps multiple things need to stop.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

For those that feel this is suspendible, can someone please show an example of when the 2 minute penalty called "Elbowing" applies? I agree that this should have been called a penalty just like the slew foots were missed. It's unfortunate that a concussion prone player got hurt but that doesn't change anything. If someone's stick hit his jaw with the same force and the same injury result, does that player deserve to get suspended. No, he gets a 2 min high sticking penalty. Again, as for the elbow, its as minor of an elbow I've seen...Still a penalty... But if that is suspension worthy, I would like to see what a 2min Elbowing penalty looks like that doesn't deserve a suspension.

I kind of covered this two posts earlier. If a 2 minute minor elbowing penalty can put someon on IR, maybe it shouldn't just be a 2 minute minor. Suspension might not be the answer, but the league needs to consider options.

In parallel, they also need to ensure players are medically fit to play (to your other point). How many Reggie Rays are on active rosters right now?

But you are correct - this play happens quite often, so the vilification in this thread is...well...predictable. If the standard needs to be changed, that's fine, but the league needs to actually identify what that standard is, and the fans can't pick and choose who it applies to.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Watch it in real time. Literally no one on ice knew what the f*** happened. Not the Wild. Not the announcers. Not the Refs. Not even McDavid.

Uh no.

McDavid knew precisely what he was doing. He's one of the most coordinated humans ever to walk the face of the planet. He quite obviously pushed his elbow out into Johansson's face.

Anyway, should be a fine IMO.

Think of every elbow you've seen in your life. Bure on Churla. Messier on Everyone. Ultimate Fighting Championship. Pride Fighting Championship. K1 Kickboxing. Muay Thai GP.

Have you even seen an elbow thrown with 4cms of arm movement? Cmon! A NUDGE at best.

If those sports took place on skates, you would totally have a point.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

For those that feel this is suspendible, can someone please show an example of when the 2 minute penalty called "Elbowing" applies? I agree that this should have been called a penalty just like the slew foots were missed. It's unfortunate that a concussion prone player got hurt but that doesn't change anything. If someone's stick hit his jaw with the same force and the same injury result, does that player deserve to get suspended. No, he gets a 2 min high sticking penalty. Again, as for the elbow, its as minor of an elbow I've seen...Still a penalty... But if that is suspension worthy, I would like to see what a 2min Elbowing penalty looks like that doesn't deserve a suspension.

Or 4 minutes, depending on luck.