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McDavid elbows M. Johansson

Has the original clip been edited? I can’t see any elbow contact to the Minnesota player. Nor can I see McDavid raising his elbow higher than he normally does.
 
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Dr Pepper said:
Hartman's skate kicking Drai's skate, causing Drai to fall forward, when both players are pretty much at a standstill, is "dangerous"?

Alright, maybe we've got different definitions of that word too. :laugh:
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Kicking someone with a knife on the bottom of your foot is pretty dangerous.
 
I can see why Oilers fans might be like "this is incidental contact and probably shouldn't result in a suspension". What I don't understand is the reactions praising the elbow, or making fun of Johansson (a very mild mannered player, btw) for getting injured. I've met a lot of cool Oilers fans, but the loudest ones in here are an obvious bunch of scumbags. McDavid was subtle with it, why can't you be?
 
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Toby91ca said:
Huh? If refs miss a penalty call then any other infraction in the game should also not be a penalty?

1 - Hartman on Draisaitl should have been called a tripping penalty, ref let it go, figured he was kicking at the puck....that said, I thought they changed the rules years ago where even you attempt to get the puck (with your stick for example) and you get the puck first and still trip a guy...still a penalty. So yes, should have been a penalty......slewfoot? Not a chance. There is almost no similarity between this an a slewfoot other than the foot being involved. Slewfoots are taken seriously for a reason....much more dangerous than this play.

2 - Yes, McDavid should have been penalized for that. The comments that it couldn't have been intentional because he was looking the other way are simply willful ignorance. He could have some of the worse peripheral vision in the world and still be able to see him. That said, I don't know if it was intentional or not, but looked like it to me if I had to choose. He saw the guy coming, he initially tucked his arm a bit as if to squeeze by and then popped his elbow up a bit to get a shot in. Nothing really major there, but sneaking/dirty play. I wouldn't suggest it's anything more than a 2 min penalty though. Unfortunate the player left the game over it.

3 - The comments about McDavid taking more punishment than any other player in the history of the game are also dumb. Firstly dumb because it seems to be an excuse to allow the sneaky little shots. Look, I don't knock McDavid for doing it, players do little stuff like this, don't kill him for it, but call it for what it is. I don't doubt that McDavid takes a ton of punishment, but that's because he's a great player, they all take a ton. The more it seems to impact your game, the more you'll get as well.
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To your first point, Hartman literally kicks Draisaitl's leg out from under him, yes it is not a slew foot per se, but when your wearing ligament shredding blades on your feet, any form of "kicking" should be taken pretty damn seriously by the league and the Department of Player Safety.

To your second point, I agree about it being a 2 min penalty for sure, with maybe, at worst, a fine. but that's it, there's some serious pearl-clutching going on in this thread from McDavid's haters right now.

To your third point, McDavid DOES take more shit than any player since he came into the League 9 years ago. Definitely not the most in the history of the game, i remember the 70's and 80's and it was a clown show of dirty plays back then. but the NHL does allow more infractions against its star players because it is a backward league. They feel that a player of McDavid's talent should "fight through more" because he is that good, and they look at those players as unfair advantages, so they have to try and even the playing field in an effort to maintain their precious "parity" It's such ridiculous thinking to try and drag the stars down to the level of the plugs, instead of allowing the stars to truly showcase their talent.
 
Snuggs said:
He wasn't ever healthy ever, thats what you don't understand, it wasn't just head-shots... but you didn't watch him like I said so you wouldn't know he missed 20 games annually his whole career because teams beat the hell out of him. Legit only a handful of years with 70+ games and thats even before the head-shots near the end.

You're being captain hindsight about his very well-KNOWN headshots/migraines.
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Ditto Forsberg. Bure was targeted.

Way worse, then. Not even close.
 
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Dr Pepper said:
Hartman's skate kicking Drai's skate, causing Drai to fall forward, when both players are pretty much at a standstill, is "dangerous"?

Alright, maybe we've got different definitions of that word too. :laugh:
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yes, kicking a dude in the leg with a blade at the bottom of his feet is dangerous :laugh: not to mention the potential injuries from falling from the trip he didn't expect
 
Fatass said:
Has the original clip been edited? I can’t see any elbow contact to the Minnesota player. Nor can I see McDavid raising his elbow higher than he normally does.
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It's very very subtle, but he definitely lifts his elbow into the head while Johansson. No editing
 
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xalt said:
That elbow must've hurt but like.. is that flop necessary? You didn't just get viscerally slapped across the face by Ronnie Coleman. Also, I just watched the clip again and realized Johansson just stops and and starts skating backwards right into McDavid's elbow.

Minor and potential fine at best. Personally I'd just go with a minor.
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Hard to call that a flop when the player left the game and is also now expected to miss time. Flops are usually reserved for players who come back unscathed
 
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Tobias Kahun said:
Kicking someone with a knife on the bottom of your foot is pretty dangerous.
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CantHaveTkachev said:
yes, kicking a dude in the leg with a blade at the bottom of his feet is dangerous :laugh: not to mention the potential injuries from falling from the trip he didn't expect
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C'mon now, this is getting silly. :biglaugh:

Bit of a difference between inadvertently kicking at Drai's skate boot - right where the puck is - and going full-on Matt Cooke at the back of Karlsson's leg, blade first.

Also "potential injuries from falling"? Drai tried to sell it, and hey, any other game it might've worked. Refs didn't bite though.
 
Dr Pepper said:
C'mon now, this is getting silly. :biglaugh:

Bit of a difference between inadvertently kicking at Drai's skate boot - right where the puck is - and going full-on Matt Cooke at the back of Karlsson's leg, blade first.
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"inadvertently"...yes Ryan Hartman, a known scumbag and the same guy who hit Bouchard into the net causing injury....just "inadvertently" kicked and tripped Draisaitl :laugh:
 
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It doesn't even seem like McDavid reacts after "contact." Normally when a guy is trying to elbow someone, his arm comes flying up afterwards because he was bracing for the contact. But there's nothing. At most this is a 2 minute penalty.
 
First awarded in 2006-07, the Mark Messier NHL Leadership Award is presented annually “to the player who exemplifies great leadership qualities to his team, on and off the ice, during the regular season and who plays a leading role in his community growing the game of hockey.”

Connor McDavid, come collect your trophy.
 
CantHaveTkachev said:
"inadvertently"...yes Ryan Hartman, a known scumbag and the same guy who hit Bouchard into the net causing injury....just "inadvertently" kicked and tripped Draisaitl :laugh:
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Still a far cry away from the "dangerous slewfoot" that Sportsnet - and apparently a few Oilers fans - seem to think happened there.
 
miscs75 said:
First awarded in 2006-07, the Mark Messier NHL Leadership Award is presented annually “to the player who exemplifies great leadership qualities to his team, on and off the ice, during the regular season and who plays a leading role in his community growing the game of hockey.”

Connor McDavid, come collect your trophy.
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Jacob Trouba, known around the league as the epitome of class and sportsmanship, won it last year.

Wouldn't be surprised to see McJesus get one if he hasn't already. :laugh:
 
Love it from McDavid. Sneaky dirty. Worth a fine based on the result. I like my stars with a little crazy.

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Neil Racki said:
Dirty .. and if injured

honestly should be a game or two

Just because its sneaky doesnt mean it should be downplayed

This thread is oozing with hypocrisy from a certain fan base
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I don't think it is hypocrisy. I think the amount of shit McDavid takes with no calls is pretty significant. Whoever is suggesting it wasn't a little dirty is just fooling themselves.
 
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CantHaveTkachev said:
that it was a slewfoot
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But that was point my....there is no doubt there....it was nothing like a slewfoot, nowhere near as dangerous as a slewfoot. No doubt, you don't want guys kicking at other players feet, but happens in a lot of battles for pucks on the boards. Make no mistake, I think he tripped him on purpose here, but I don't think there was a lot of danger there....his blades barely left the ice, didn't get any higher than Draisaitl's skates.....but agree....you don't want guys doing it.
 
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Neil Racki said:
Dirty .. and if injured

honestly should be a game or two

Just because its sneaky doesnt mean it should be downplayed

This thread is oozing with hypocrisy from a certain fan base
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All deliberate head contact should be penalized with a suspension, but DoPS doesn’t agree.
 
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Dr Pepper said:
Jacob Trouba, known around the league as the epitome of class and sportsmanship, won it last year.

Wouldn't be surprised to see McJesus get one if he hasn't already. :laugh:
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Mark Messier, Jacob Trouba and Now Connor McDavid are elbows above the next competitor for this prestigious award.
 
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