McDavid and Matthews have to wait to overtake Crosby

[ManofSteel55]

Crosby was not as good as McDavid at the same age. I say that with the upmost confidence. Albiet it was close.

Give McDavid a couple years and we will see. But Crosby is imo currently a better overall player than McDavid.

McDavid is generational Mathews is not. Great player that Mathews is he has never been considered generational by non bias hockey pundits. Having said that The future is murky for mortals and who knows mathews may end up better than both McDavid and Crosby.

I agree with everything here. Current McDavid is a better player than Crosby was at that age. Current McDavid is more skilled than Crosby too, but Crosby's experience has led to him developing an all around game that McDavid doesn't touch yet, and and an intelligence level that is unparalleled among current players. McDavid might get to the same "all around" level as Crosby someday, but it is certainly no guarantee.

That said, there are some hilarious statements in here. Crosby is absolutely not in the discussion for top 5 player of all time.

 

[Csteamer]

McDavid's better than any forward in 2016/2017 and that's a fact so I guess this thread is about hopes and dreams.

You meant other than Crosby, right? Connor 2nd Assist McDavid is in no way, shape, or form better than Sidney Crosby.

 

[Draiskull]

I think Matthews will be closer to McDavid than McDavid is to Crosby.

McDavid is already as close to Crosby as one could get. Matthews doesnt belong in this discussion..

Crosby is still the best player in the league and McDavid can certainly wait a couple years to take that away from him.

 

[FFHockey]

Sheesh...not sure why some of the Oil fans have to get so upset about things.

All I was saying initially is that their time has not come just yet. If you truly think that McDavid is better than Sid right now, you are only looking thru orange and blue glasses. There are so many things that he needs to get better at before he would truly be a better player. To borrow the oft heard Toews line, it's so many of the intangibles that he does not "yet" possess. I would be shocked if he does not overtake Sid as the best player in the next couple of years, just hold on Oil fans. No need to be offended, I don't think I read where a single person said he won't overtake Sid as best player. He just hasn't yet.

As I said, I have a lot more appreciation for Matthews after watching him in the Caps series. To downplay his potential and not think that he is likely a generational talent is just silly. He does so many good things away from the puck and is a beast both in pursuit and when he has it on his stick. (The goal he scored against Ottawa earlier in the year where his dogged pursuit of the puck ended with him stripping Karlsson of the puck and scoring was to me his most impressive goal of the year.) I don't care where he scored his goals from...he scored 40 which is next best to Sid. That to me is pretty impressive. I'm not a Leaf fan but really appreciate a superstar talent, regardless of who they play for. This was just his first season in the league and he had a great playoff as well. He is gonna be crazy good and quite likely generational.

Enjoy their greatness but realize they are not quite at that point where they are better than Crosby yet was all I was "trying" to say.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You meant other than Crosby, right? Connor 2nd Assist McDavid is in no way, shape, or form better than Sidney Crosby.

McDavid is better than Crosby in a lot of ways. Those claiming that McDavid is better already are only looking at his offensive skill set. But those suggesting that it isn't close between the two players are just as out to lunch. Crosby has a better defensive game and is smarter, because he has been around for longer and has learned more "tricks" to add to his game to make it more effective. There are certainly a lot of elements to McDavid's game that he has over Sid though. I won't take exception to anyone suggesting that one or the other is better if they have the right evidence to back up their statement, but to suggest that 'it isn't close" or "in no way, shape or form" is ridiculous.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Why is Matthews even in the same sentence as Crosby and McDavid?

 

[Draiskull]

You meant other than Crosby, right? Connor 2nd Assist McDavid is in no way, shape, or form better than Sidney Crosby.

looks like someone is trying to rile up a fan base..
as if McDavid isnt a very dangerous forward with the puck on his stick.

 

[Draiskull]

Why is Matthews even in the same sentence as Crosby and McDavid?

yeh... leave Matthews comparisons with the Laines of the world.
is this what the OP wanted?

 

[Csteamer]

Lol @ Crosby having a 2 goal game and now McDavid will "never" be as good as Crosby running rampant in this thread. McDavid just blew Crosby apart in the scoring race, and his team is leading the ducks In Thier second round series but a just turned 20 year old is now Matthews equal.....lol some people on here just make me laugh.

Played 7 more games, scored 11 more points. PPG was almost identical. Nice hyperbole.

These Edmonton guys are downplaying a guy who will go down as the 3rd of 4th best center of all time.

 

[Csteamer]

McDavid is better than Crosby in a lot of ways.

What are they?

Top skating speed?

I can't name a single other thing that I would say McDavid does better than Crosby. Sure, he had 70 assists this year, but Crosby has had years of 84, 63, 70, and 68 assists. He has 5 100+ point seasons, and would have 2-3 more if not for injuries. He's led the league in scoring twice (would be 3-4 if not for injuries), led the league in goals twice, and won the Hart twice (should be 3 if not for injury shortened lockout year), the Art Ross, the cup twice, etc.

I really can't think of a single other thing that I would take McDavid on over Crosby.

 

[Shady Machine]

5-6 what? Centers? Arguable (99, 66, Beliveau, Esposito, Messier, Sakic, Trottier, Clarke, Yzerman, and Fedorov all have a case being above him). 5-6 players? Not even close.

 

[rec28]

No one springs forth from the womb a fully formed adult and no one enters the league as a fully formed player. For me (as an Oil fan), McDavid isn't quite at Crosby's level yet but it's more a function of time and experience than anything else. Natural skill and speed only gets a player so far - hockey IQ, grit/resilience, and experience all play equal or greater roles, imo. In McDavid's case, he has the first four in spades at all world levels - the experience just comes with time. Something does seem a bit off with him, but I think it's mostly a case of figuring out how do deal with close-checking & shadowing the likes of which he's never experienced before. He's barely completed one and a half seasons in the NHL and he's already in the conversation for best in the game - I'm confident that he'll figure it out.

 

[KnoccOut]

What are they?

Top skating speed?

I can't name a single other thing that I would say McDavid does better than Crosby. Sure, he had 70 assists this year, but Crosby has had years of 84, 63, 70, and 68 assists. He has 5 100+ point seasons, and would have 2-3 more if not for injuries. He's led the league in scoring twice (would be 3-4 if not for injuries), led the league in goals twice, and won the Hart twice (should be 3 if not for injury shortened lockout year), the Art Ross, the cup twice, etc.

I really can't think of a single other thing that I would take McDavid on over Crosby.

How many times are you gonna bring up injuries... u can't give credit to a player for being injured..

Most overrated player out any of the major sports... NHL and some fans try to make this guy into something he's not.... great player.. probably the best out of this generation... but calm down.. Crosby been healthy for some seasons where he didn't win anything..

McDavid is better right now and it's lights out after this season.

 

[Csteamer]

Crosby's career PPG:

05-06: 1.26
06-07: 1.52
07-08: 1.36
08-09: 1.34
09-10: 1.35
10-11: 1.61
11-12: 1.68
12-13: 1.56
13-14: 1.30
14-15: 1.09
15-16: 1.06
16-17: 1.19

Yep, McDavid is better than him

 

[Csteamer]

How many times are you gonna bring up injuries... u can't give credit to a player for being injured..

Most overrated player out any of the major sports... NHL and some fans try to make this guy into something he's not.... great player.. probably the best out of this generation... but calm down.. Crosby been healthy for some seasons where he didn't win anything..

McDavid is better right now and it's lights out after this season.

You're out of your mind. There is no comparison between Connor McDavid right now and Sidney Crosby. In 5-6 years when Crosby is old and McDavid is in his prime, maybe.

It's really not close. You guys are completely insane.

 

[MessierII]

Crosby's career PPG:

05-06: 1.26
06-07: 1.52
07-08: 1.36
08-09: 1.34
09-10: 1.35
10-11: 1.61
11-12: 1.68
12-13: 1.56
13-14: 1.30
14-15: 1.09
15-16: 1.06
16-17: 1.19

Yep, McDavid is better than him

Those years out of the lockout were the highest scoring years since the 80's. Currently we're in the lowest scoring era since the 50's. Plus Crosby has a bunch of skewed injury riddled years in there.

 

[Canovin]

You're out of your mind. There is no comparison between Connor McDavid right now and Sidney Crosby. In 5-6 years when Crosby is old and McDavid is in his prime, maybe.

It's really not close. You guys are completely insane.

Crosby is still in his prime. Neither are at their peak. McDavid is running away with the Hart, Art Ross and Lindsay over a prime Crosby. That shows you what kind of offensive threat McDavid is.

 

[ManofSteel55]

What are they?

Top skating speed?

I can't name a single other thing that I would say McDavid does better than Crosby. Sure, he had 70 assists this year, but Crosby has had years of 84, 63, 70, and 68 assists. He has 5 100+ point seasons, and would have 2-3 more if not for injuries. He's led the league in scoring twice (would be 3-4 if not for injuries), led the league in goals twice, and won the Hart twice (should be 3 if not for injury shortened lockout year), the Art Ross, the cup twice, etc.

I really can't think of a single other thing that I would take McDavid on over Crosby.

If top skating speed is the only thing you can think of, it is apparent that you don't have the experience in watching both of these players to have a proper debate with.

 

[chuppa chupp]

People actually believe that Connor McDavid is currently better than Crosby?

Look, I'm a huge fan of McDavid, and later on down the line he has a great chance of becoming the best player in the world, but come on man. Crosby just took his team to the Cup, won a Conn Smythe, and led the league in goals this year. It's going to take a little more from McDavid to knock Crosby off the throne.

Jamie Benn and John Tavares had more points in a season than Crosby recently, and I don't think that anyone would say either were better than Sid.

 

[Csteamer]

Crosby is still in his prime. Neither are at their peak. McDavid is running away with the Hart, Art Ross and Lindsay over a prime Crosby. That shows you what kind of offensive threat McDavid is.

Once again. He's not "running away" with anything. He won the scoring title, and will very likely win the Hart. But to say he's running away with it when he average .2 ppg more than Crosby is ridiculous.

 

[Csteamer]

If top skating speed is the only thing you can think of, it is apparent that you don't have the experience in watching both of these players to have a proper debate with.

Great point. I asked you what they were, then I listed all the things that Crosby is better at, and then you backed down because you have no response.

Please, by all means, list out the things that McDavid is better than Crosby at.

 

[Csteamer]

People actually believe that Connor McDavid is currently better than Crosby? [/B]

Look, I'm a huge fan of McDavid, and later on down the line he has a great chance of becoming the best player in the world, but come on man. Crosby just took his team to the Cup, won a Conn Smythe, and led the league in goals this year. It's going to take a little more from McDavid to knock Crosby off the throne.

Jamie Benn and John Tavares had more points in a season than Crosby recently, and I don't think that anyone would say either were better than Sid.

It's just Oilers fans. I guess I can't blame them, but it's pretty ridiculous.

 

[zero8771]

What did Crosby do in his first go-around of postseason hockey? Kindly remind everyone instead of pushing your biased agenda, would you.

Can you tell me what the name of this thread is?

It's about them having to WAIT to overtake Crosby. Sounds like you agree

 

[Chef de Cuisine]

Stop including Matthews in the same conversation as McDavid.

 

[zero8771]

Crosby is still in his prime. Neither are at their peak. McDavid is running away with the Hart, Art Ross and Lindsay over a prime Crosby. That shows you what kind of offensive threat McDavid is.

Or it tells you the players priorities on the ice. Sid's commitment to playing the entire ice surface the last 2 years has been amazing to watch and not something he did his whole career, at least not at this level.