Maybe we should give the Habs some credit.

[Drytoast]

Yes very true I said Habs and Leafs were 2 best teams and Jets were next best .. Habs made a brilliant move trading/signing Edmunston cheap .. it gave them da fearsome 4some .. now like I said before season started they will not be quite as good in regular season because a ton of what they do gets penalized in regular season hockey but in playoffs it is allowed ..

to me da Tampa formula is only one our Leafs have a chance to emulate now .. but it will require trading of Mitch to get er done .. as we stand today it is impossible to fix with our CAP

You are not winning a trade that includes Marner. We are just f***ed. We need to keep the assets we got and get a coach that preaches 5 back and to capitalize on work ethic and turn overs.

If we trade Mitch we lose that trade.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You are not winning a trade that includes Marner. We are just f***ed. We need to keep the assets we got and get a coach that preaches 5 back and to capitalize on work ethic and turn overs.

If we trade Mitch we lose that trade.

I hate to say this but 5 guys back system with Rielly, Holl, Sandin and Dermy on back end will result in colossal failure .. none of those guys can play game you want to play .. any coach trying it would be doomed to failure .. if you want to play really old school hockey then keep Muzzy and Bogo and trade away everyone else

 

[Drytoast]

I hate to say this but 5 guys back system with Rielly, Holl, Sandin and Dermy on back end will result in colossal failure .. none of those guys can play game you want to play .. any coach trying it would be doomed to failure .. if you want to play really old school hockey then keep Muzzy and Bogo and trade away everyone else

You would have said the same thing about the Islanders before Trotz showed up. I think ANY hockey player can learn how to play that system. Which is why you see regular lunch pale teams see success with it. And why coaches who do not have a high abundance of talent fall back to that system of play.

In short? I strongly disagree.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You would have said the same thing about the Islanders before Trotz showed up. I think ANY hockey player can learn how to play that system. Which is why you see regular lunch pale teams see success with it. And why coaches who do not have a high abundance of talent fall back to that system of play.

In short? I strongly disagree.

I can agree Trotz is best I have ever seen get most of lunch palers but my point is Rielly Holl Sandin won't buy into a shot blocking system where you don't allow teams physically to get to kill zone .. those guys like it or not just don't have da physical skills to pull it off .. at some point you have to take da body and stop attackers

 

[nuck]

Yes very true I said Habs and Leafs were 2 best teams and Jets were next best .. Habs made a brilliant move trading/signing Edmunston cheap .. it gave them da fearsome 4some .. now like I said before season started they will not be quite as good in regular season because a ton of what they do gets penalized in regular season hockey but in playoffs it is allowed ..

to me da Tampa formula is only one our Leafs have a chance to emulate now .. but it will require trading of Mitch to get er done .. as we stand today it is impossible to fix with our CAP

Not just Habs and Leafs. Oilers had de top pp in the league and were outhit by de Jets every night, but somehow McDavid didn't draw a single penalty in de series. I don't think this signals de demise of skill players succeeding in de playoffs but 20-20 hindsight says try to roll skill on every line so de best hackers and tacklers aren't able to concentrate on shutting down your top scorers. I don't think Keefe was able to adapt to the change in what was being called and what wasn't, once de playoffs started.

 

[ryno23]

I don't want to build team like MTL that relies on their goalie and D to hack, whack when the rule book is put away for the playoffs.

Habs make the playoffs this year due to the fact the WC wasn't in existance. If it was the Rangers would have grabbed the last spot. The only reason the Habs got into the bubble is the NHL wanted Chicago in the playoffs so they allowed 12th seeds to get in and make some money.

add in TB, FLA, BOS and plus Toronto finished 18 points ahead of them tells me without the screwed up Covid stuff MTL doesn't even sniff the playoffs.

Now I wish the Leafs players who battle as hard as some of the Habs players who are working hard.

 

[Drytoast]

I can agree Trotz is best I have ever seen get most of lunch palers but my point is Rielly Holl Sandin won't buy into a shot blocking system where you don't allow teams physically to get to kill zone .. those guys like it or not just don't have da physical skills to pull it off .. at some point you have to take da body and stop attackers

They would if he had them all buy into it. Which is what makes Trots so damn great. He would probably get even guys like Nylander to dive head first to block a shot.

That's what a great coach does.

I really believe if we just got Trots (which isn't happening) we would win a cup with this team as is.

 

[Peiskos]

Habs are like the 2021 Team Canada that just won the World Championship, not overly impressive on paper but they actually play like a team.

People say the Leafs were the better team, sure maybe on paper…but the game isn’t played on paper. Montreal was always the better team and I hope they win it all.

 

[Twine Tickler]

they have played the best 12 games their franchise has played in the last 20 years.... in succession.... at the most important time of the year....in a year where they'd likely not even make the playoffs in a full 82 game season. It's remarkable the amount of things that are just going right for them right now.

That said, they are playing great, and fully deserved to beat VGK in my opinion.

but lets not forget how terrible they played in game 5 when we gift wrapped them the game on 3 f***ing occasions. Thats their season done if Sandin goes high and hard 1 out of 2 f***ing times, or Galchenyuk doesn't blind throw a dish to caulfield for a 2 on 0. It's really infuriating how many f***ing ways the Leafs can find ways to f*** their fanbase over. I am trying not to take anything away from MTL, because they really did play well game 6 and 7 against us, when it mattered the most and then have continued that forward for the next 10 games. But it's extremely hard to watch a far inferior team be in a spot where we should have easily been. Their win against WPG was not all that impressive IMO. WPG was a f***ing tire fire all year, and realistically are only given credit for their previous years successes. But beating VGK is a big dick move for MTL. Just hope they crash and burn. The thought of them winning the Stanley Cup makes me ill

 

[JT AM da real deal]

They would if he had them all buy into it. Which is what makes Trots so damn great. He would probably get even guys like Nylander to dive head first to block a shot.

That's what a great coach does.

I really believe if we just got Trots (which isn't happening) we would win a cup with this team as is.

What he has done with Leddy has super impressed me .. can he do same with Rielly? Agree anyone who can do that is a masterful coach .. can't argue with what Trotz has done in his career .. super impressive .. it is just for me I can't stand to watch da trap game

 

[koyvoo]

The difference in between the Leafs and Habs are 2 things:

1. Carey
2. Price

Its the only reason Montreal is where they are and the Leafs are thinking what could have been. This in no way is to derail what we have in Campbell because he did not cost us the series. But when you look at advanced stats across the 3 series that Montreal has won to this point. The Leafs outplayed and outworked Montreal in every aspect of the game. The sole piece where they came up short, was beating Price. He made big save after big save for Montreal, which turned the tide in every game that Montreal won.

People want to harp on what our top line didnt do. Look at the stats people. They played better than any other top line Montreal has faced this playoff, and by a large margin.

Price stole the series its simple as that. Montreal since then has played simple team hockey, alot of trap hockey, and counter attack the mistakes of the opposition. In short, they are playing New Jersey Devils type hockey. Its working to their credit, and that is the only credit I will give them.

As a Leaf fan I will never cheer for Montreal. Its against everything we stand for. But in the end, they are succeeding and took us out. They can thank the heavens that Price is on their team. And that is the only credit they will get.

You may be right about Price being the only reason Montreal is where they are, but you are 100% in thinking that’s the only difference between them and us, and it suggests to me that you’re not watching the games. We have not had a team with that much compete, will to win, camaraderie, or just general backbone in many, many years.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You may be right about Price being the only reason Montreal is where they are, but you are 100% in thinking that’s the only difference between them and us, and it suggests to me that you’re not watching the games. We have not had a team with that much compete, will to win, camaraderie, or just general backbone in many, many years.

Price has a a couple games with his paly no doubt but to say he is only reason for success is total BS .. Habs have a fearsome 4 some defender crew who does not give up kill zone chances .. Habs have breakaway speed forwards that can forecheck and create opportunities on rush .. and Caufield brings both speed and skill which is a rare combo .. he is gonna be great .. not just good but great .. a 50 goal man easy to compete with OV and Matty

 

[Twine Tickler]

What I see comical here are Dubas haters at the moment. Same moaning bullshit, because they're life is so miserable that everything falls apart after their drops out from Stanley Cup playoffs.

Simple solutions for complicated problems etc. People act like Lou or Bergevin had some sort of masterplan. We maybe made mistake with Simmonds instead of Perry etc. But this team was good enough to win that series and didn't deliver. I don't know how to pin that collapse after 3-1 on Dubas that built that team that went 3-1 and won the division.

Next season we have chance to contend and our core can still develop. We won three games against Canadiens. Jets and Vegas combined 2 wins. Fire Sakic etc. because of Canadiens.

I don't get it either. People on here are so manic. Like before the playoffs started people were talking about who we'd prefer to play in R3 lol. Like if thought KD did such a terrible job, why did you think this team was worthy of making it to the conference finals??? clearly he assembled a good team. A far better team than MTL. Is he supposed to predict Matthews and Marner getting shut down by Danault?

truly mind numbing to me. The only people that deserve blame are the players themselves. They failed in the most epic fashion imaginable. Mitch and Auston need to shoulder that blame exactly how a true leader like Mark Stone did yesterday.. Yet Mitch and Auston just shrug off the idea that maybe management might want to alter the core group when asked by the media. As if they've earned that level of immunity.

We are tied to Mitch and Auston for the next 2 years minimum. If they can't figure out how to compete differently in the post season, we will be the Calgary Flames of 2023, but more epic of a failure because Mitch and Auston are far superior players than Gudreau and Monohan

 

[ShaneFalco]

It's coming, the inevitable "We took the Habs to 7 games and they went to the SCF"
When does losing become unacceptable to some? A year from now? 2? And it's not just losing, it's showing total lack of compete in the biggest games of the year. I always walk away after these playoffs and think - that was everything you had?!?! That was all you could give!?

 

[ShaneFalco]

The difference in between the Leafs and Habs are 2 things:

1. Carey
2. Price

Its the only reason Montreal is where they are and the Leafs are thinking what could have been. This in no way is to derail what we have in Campbell because he did not cost us the series. But when you look at advanced stats across the 3 series that Montreal has won to this point. The Leafs outplayed and outworked Montreal in every aspect of the game. The sole piece where they came up short, was beating Price. He made big save after big save for Montreal, which turned the tide in every game that Montreal won.

People want to harp on what our top line didnt do. Look at the stats people. They played better than any other top line Montreal has faced this playoff, and by a large margin.

Price stole the series its simple as that. Montreal since then has played simple team hockey, alot of trap hockey, and counter attack the mistakes of the opposition. In short, they are playing New Jersey Devils type hockey. Its working to their credit, and that is the only credit I will give them.

As a Leaf fan I will never cheer for Montreal. Its against everything we stand for. But in the end, they are succeeding and took us out. They can thank the heavens that Price is on their team. And that is the only credit they will get.

This is the biggest pile of bullshit I've heard in some time.
Last year it was the CBJ goalies
Year before that - learning how to win/experience

 

[Clark4Ever]

I agree. Despite all the other factors such as injuries and Keefe's questionable decisions, I don't think the Habs would have gotten past us without Price.

 

[Clark4Ever]

As bitter as it is to witness as a Leaf fan, the one thing that is somewhat redeeming is all those American fans and media pundits eating crow right now that said the North Division was a joke.

The joke is on them now.

 

[Blowfish]

..and now we're here. Paid like big time players, regular season heros and playoff zeros. The fight we saw in the playoffs as rookies is gone.

The overachieving young leafs core has turned into a bunch of overpaid entitled young stars who refuse to acknowledge their lack of fire and blame it on bad bounces. Mental midgets when the heats on, paralyzed by fear of losing again.

I can only hope after being embarrassed...again..that they might show more next year, if not.. what an absolute waste of talent.

Go Leafs Go.....

Does talent include heart and passion and drive? Because if it does they aren't very talented.

 

[daethfromabove1979]

I don't give the Habs any credit for beating us. We lost to ourselves because we are a bunch of losers with no killer instinct whatsoever. Up 3-1 and just give up on the series, that's on us. Montreal didn't even play that good, we were just awful.

However I'll give them credit for beating Vegas. The Knights forwards just couldn't do anything, Montreal has all the confidence that they can just get a few timely goals and let Price do the rest.

 

[Blowfish]

This says it all... It really does.

 

[JSn0w93]

I give the Habs all the credit in the world for being where they are now, beating Vegas in 6 was a feat. They are constructed very well for these games. I can't help but be bitter because they don't get past us if we have Tavares, I don't think that's disputable. What could have been.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Habs make the Cup Finals. Matthews shamelessly parades around with douche lord Bieber. He's a diva, not a guy to put the team on his back when it counts.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I give the Habs all the credit in the world for being where they are now, beating Vegas in 6 was a feat. They are constructed very well for these games. I can't help but be bitter because they don't get past us if we have Tavares, I don't think that's disputable. What could have been.

How is it not disputable? Tavares isn't even that good anymore.

 

[Riellyfan04]

Lmao its simple. "CARRRY" fukin Price.... He litteraly single handly carried this team.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Lmao its simple. "CARRRY" fukin Price.... He litteraly single handly carried this team.

Wrong.