Maurice vindicated?

[Hunter368]

For the life of me I don’t know why all fingers aren’t pointing at Chevy at this point. He is the constant and top decision maker.

Mostly it’s just frustrated fan syndrome, Chevy has done a solid to good job with drafting & contracts. My only areas of even a tiny bit of criticism of him, I wish he was a tiny bit more aggressive with trades. My only significant criticism is his handling on coaches, he’s simply to loyal & patient with them. Overall I would give him about 7/10. I like Chevy a lot more then majority of GM’s in the league.

 

[10Ducky10]

Lowry was in a playoff race when he got the HC and he is further away. If he doesn't make the playoffs, I'd clean house and start fresh.
Julien is a person I would look at but not sure about AV. Don't know much about up and coming coaches not in the league.
Regardless of how we do, it was time to move on from Maurice.

 

[Ducky10]

I don't know how you can say that honestly. Chevy's biggest mark against (for me) is that he stuck with Maurice for way, way too long; so how can you, after never really having blamed Maurice for all this time, suddenly switch to blaming Chevy? Unless you think our drafting or trading has been bad?

My own feeling is that Maurice' long tenure had more to do with Chipman, and that Maurice and Chevy weren't necessarily always on the same page, but obviously that's just a feeling.

Because he’s been in charge of directing this team for going on 11 years. He’s responsible for the players and coaches. He’s now on his 3rd coach, likely to be his 4th this summer. Why should we trust him to make the right decision this time?

Bottom line is the pieces he has assembled over the years have amounted to one exceptional season and little else. Why does he escape culpability in that?

 

[KingBogo]

Mostly it’s just frustrated fan syndrome, Chevy has done a solid to good job with drafting & contracts. My only areas of even a tiny bit of criticism of him, I wish he was a tiny bit more aggressive with trades. My only significant criticism is his handling on coaches, he’s simply to loyal & patient with them. Overall I would give him about 7/10. I like Chevy a lot more then majority of GM’s in the league.

I have liked the majority of Chevy’s moves in isolation. I also probably have about a 95% positive posting history for him. But more and more I ask why isn’t the person at the top responsible after 11 years?

 

[Ducky10]

Mostly it’s just frustrated fan syndrome, Chevy has done a solid to good job with drafting & contracts. My only areas of even a tiny bit of criticism of him, I wish he was a tiny bit more aggressive with trades. My only significant criticism is his handling on coaches, he’s simply to loyal & patient with them. Overall I would give him about 7/10. I like Chevy a lot more then majority of GM’s in the league.

All fair points but we’re on year 11 of “it’s a process”. What direction are we heading in now and what’s his actual plan? Great drafting and some good trades, what has it accomplished? The team still has no identity and next to zero leadership.

 

[Turin]

No, because they replaced him with an assistant. They needed a new voice and energy.

 

[Jack7222]

Because he’s been in charge of directing this team for going on 11 years. He’s responsible for the players and coaches. He’s now on his 3rd coach, likely to be his 4th this summer. Why should we trust him to make the right decision this time?

Bottom line is the pieces he has assembled over the years have amounted to one exceptional season and little else. Why does he escape culpability in that?

I agree and I don't think Chevy should escape culpability, unless he had wanted to let go of Maurice earlier but was overruled. We don't know whether that's the case.

I definitely think we've hung on to our coaching staff far too long and should've gone for new voices much earlier. I'm just not totally sure how culpable Chevy is here.

But my point in my post is really just that I don't see how someone can have supported the coaching staff right up until Maurice' resignation and then suddenly want to blame Chevy. Blame him for what then?

 

[Jetsfan79]

Chevy has assembled allot of elite talent. Can we really blame him for assembling the "wrong combination" of talent? I'm assuming True North saw the beast mode version of Scheifele when they drafted him.

In my opinion, the GM has done his job if he brings in more than enough talent to be a good team . The coach is then tasked to get the most of that assembled talent . And at the end of the day, the players themselves also assume allot of the responsibility .

 

[snowkiddin]

For the life of me I don’t know why all fingers aren’t pointing at Chevy at this point. He is the constant and top decision maker.

The roster Chevy assembled was, not according to only local beat writers but to national pundits as well, a Cup contender.

Cheveldayoff has also taken several GMs to the cleaners in major trades he’s had to make (Kane, Trouba, Laine). He’s drafted well (although, admittedly, that could be the scouting), and other than the Wheeler contract and maybe Little’s, he locks up players who want to be here at reasonable or below-market value AAV. I think he’s generally done a good job.

He’s made some mistakes (Steve Mason trade (signing was okay), Hayes trade, holding on to Maurice for too long), but overall he’s done fine IMO.

I know you’ve pushed some blame on Chevy for quite a while now on these boards and I don’t think he’s blameless, but he’s done a very good job in his tenure here and hasn’t been so poor he should be fired, IMO.

We could be much, much worse off with someone else at the helm.

 

[KingBogo]

The roster Chevy assembled was, not according to only local beat writers but to national pundits as well, a Cup contender.

Cheveldayoff has also taken several GMs to the cleaners in major trades he’s had to make (Kane, Trouba, Laine). He’s drafted well (although, admittedly, that could be the scouting), and other than the Wheeler contract and maybe Little’s, he locks up players who want to be here at reasonable or below-market value AAV. I think he’s generally done a good job.

He’s made some mistakes (Steve Mason trade (signing was okay), Hayes trade, holding on to Maurice for too long), but overall he’s done fine IMO.

I know you’ve pushed some blame on Chevy for quite a while now on these boards and I don’t think he’s blameless, but he’s done a very good job in his tenure here and hasn’t been so poor he should be fired, IMO.

We could be much, much worse off with someone else at the helm.

So the guy at the top gets a free pass but everyone below him is to blame? Nice gig.

 

[snowkiddin]

So the guy at the top gets a free pass but everyone below him is to blame? Nice gig.

Did you read what I typed?

 

[Jack7222]

So the guy at the top gets a free pass but everyone below him is to blame? Nice gig.

So I guess you think we should've moved on from Maurice years ago? Or do you think that Maurice was a good coach stuck with a bad roster?

 

[Ducky10]

I agree and I don't think Chevy should escape culpability, unless he had wanted to let go of Maurice earlier but was overruled. We don't know whether that's the case.

I definitely think we've hung on to our coaching staff far too long and should've gone for new voices much earlier. I'm just not totally sure how culpable Chevy is here.

But my point in my post is really just that I don't see how someone can have supported the coaching staff right up until Maurice' resignation and then suddenly want to blame Chevy. Blame him for what then?

Are you referring to anyone in particular? If it’s KB then I recall a number of posts he has made over the last while directing responsibility at Chevy.

 

[Ducky10]

So I guess you think we should've moved on from Maurice years ago? Or do you think that Maurice was a good coach stuck with a bad roster?

Why is it just about his handling of Maurice?

 

[Jack7222]

Are you referring to anyone in particular? If it’s KB then I recall a number of posts he has made over the last while directing responsibility at Chevy.

Why is it just about his handling of Maurice?

KingBogo primarily, yes, but others too who seem to be looking for some kind of "gotcha" over people who've been criticizing our coaching and leadership for years.

I've seen KB and others direct criticism at Chevy for a while; I just think it's odd to blame the GM in order to absolve the coaching, unless you're clear about the roster/drafting being subpar.

Maybe it is about something other than those two factors, so maybe somebody can clarify their thoughts here. But to me, if someone has defended the coaching and leadership for years, on what basis are they going to start criticizing the GM other than drafting/trades/roster assembly?

Seems a bit like trying to have it both ways, to me. I think if you're going to be a homer who defends the organization and leadership's moves all the time, then you just have to accept that you'll sometimes be wrong about some things.

Edit: I should add that I don't disagree at all with criticism of Chevy here. I just think you have a certain order of operations you need to go for when you make changes... coaching is first on that list, and player trades and GM are after that.

 

[Adam da bomb]

And that is the reason we aren’t a contender? Bad line combinations? Not the fact we are missing the right ingredients?

Chevy does deserve some blame for keeping Boo Boo around. Who decides the player usage? I mean, if Mo was like yeah I'm not playing Stanley would he then have had the choice of Beauileau or Stanley or would Chevy automatically brought up Samberg? Maurice deserves some blame for not platooning Heinola into the line-up last year, if Heinola is half the player that some people have led us to believe.
Maurice definitely deserves some blame for starting Perfetti on the 3rd line instead of giving him a shot instead of Svech at the beginning of the season on that 2nd line. Also, Perfetti should have played more top 6 in TC.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I have liked the majority of Chevy’s moves in isolation. I also probably have about a 95% positive posting history for him. But more and more I ask why isn’t the person at the top responsible after 11 years?

Excellent post, spot on.

I like a lot of what Chevy has done in terms of drafting, contracts, and overall reshaping of the team over the years. I do think he has spent picks too freely -- yeah, late round drafts, but look at where we picked up three prospects playing this aft -- and he needed to replace the coaching staff long before December, etc.

So yeah, I'd put myself in the same boat, especially casting an envious eye over to what Zito has achieved in FLA.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

The problem has been, and always will be, the gruesome twosome : Scheifele and Wheeler.

They polarize the room, are selfish, lazy, they monopolize ice time, and willfuly block the natural change and development a healthy team needs.

Maurice was just their patsy.

You want to kill a snake, cut off the head.

I do not think Wheeler is lazy but has lost a step and if his happy when winning, whining when losing schtick with the media is even a slight glimpse into his leadership abilities then I cannot see him inspiring anyone.
Scheif seems vacant and to fit the ' dumb but selfish jock' mode to a T

 

[sipowicz]

Maurice kept certain guys unaccountable for defensive liabilities, that’s on him and no one else.

Maurice vindicated, HELL no! His coaching record with the Jets was a lot better than it should have been thanks to a Vezina level goal tender for most of his time with the Jets!

a good ‘minder masks a lot of the problems, below average netminder with Helly this season is exposing them!

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

Mostly it’s just frustrated fan syndrome, Chevy has done a solid to good job with drafting & contracts. My only areas of even a tiny bit of criticism of him, I wish he was a tiny bit more aggressive with trades. My only significant criticism is his handling on coaches, he’s simply to loyal & patient with them. Overall I would give him about 7/10. I like Chevy a lot more then majority of GM’s in the league.

Im on board with this sentiment. I dont think Chevy's to blame here.

The fact that the Sports Analysts continue to predict Winnipeg going on a long playoff run (year in and year out) due to the Teams appearance on paper would suggest Chevy has put together a pretty solid team.

The pieces are there to go on a Playoff run. The Team just has to put in the work.

 

[Jetsfan79]

So the guy at the top gets a free pass but everyone below him is to blame? Nice gig.

Did you read his post? He said Chevy wasn't blameless . Hardly a free pass. Your putting words his mouth.

Ask yourself this question;

Has Chevy brought in enough talent that could reasonably be harnessed into being a good team?

In my view, the answer is yes . The coach, the players, the GM can all share the blame. I would just place the GM 3rd on that list.

 

[Eyeseeing]

And that is the reason we aren’t a contender? Bad line combinations? Not the fact we are missing the right ingredients?

Part of the reason we’re not a contender is the chemistry has not been good for 4 full seasons.
I blame Maurice for that.
Usage
Not having to coach certain players.
Stubbornness
Of course not provable by myself but this is an opinion board after all.
Cheveldayoff is definitely on notice now to get this corrected and fast.

 

[KingBogo]

So I guess you think we should've moved on from Maurice years ago? Or do you think that Maurice was a good coach stuck with a bad roster?

I was always pretty neutral on Maurice. He was a typical old school coach which is the NHL go to for most GMs.

 

[KingBogo]

Part of the reason we’re not a contender is the chemistry has not been good for 4 full seasons.
I blame Maurice for that.
Usage
Not having to coach certain players.
Stubbornness
Of course not provable by myself but this is an opinion board after all.
Cheveldayoff is definitely on notice now to get this corrected and fast.

For me if the building is falling apart at some point the architect needs to take the blame.

 

[Eyeseeing]

For me if the building is falling apart at some point the architect needs to take the blame.

That’s fair