Maurice Richard Trophy Tournament (1995-Present) Round 3: 2024 Auston Matthews vs 2009 Alexander Ovechkin

[blundluntman]

MATCHUP #1 (Round 3): Auston Matthews (2024) vs Alexander Ovechkin (2009)

Auston Matthews (2023-24):

Games Played	Goals	Even Strength Goals	Power Play Goals	League Wide Goals Per Game
81	69	51	18	3.11

Alexander Ovechkin (2008-09):

Games Played	Goals	Even Strength Goals	Power Play Goals	League Wide Goals Per Game
79	56	36	19	2.91

Round 3 Matchups
24 Matthews vs 09 Ovechkin
23 McDavid vs 12 Stamkos
21 Matthews vs 08 Ovi
00 Bure vs 96 Lemieux

Round 2 Results

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[Zuluss]

Leads over the peers would probably be more informative than average goals per game, because the latter assume Matthews|OV peer was an average skater.

For example, #2 in goal-scoring was at 57 in 23/24 and at 46 in 08/09. So, Matthews was 21% ahead of #2 and OV was 22% ahead of his #2 - virtual tie with a slight edge to OV.

Upd. #5 was at 49 in 23/24 and at 40 in 08/09 - 41% lead Matthews, 40% lead OV.
#10 was at 44 in 23/24 and at 39 in 08/09 - 57% lead Matthews, 44% lead OV
#20 was at 37 in 23/24 and at 33 in 08/09 - 86% lead Matthews, 70% lead OV

So kind of depends on who the peer is - they look similar compared to goal-scoring stars of their eras, but Matthews has a larger edge over "just a very good goal-scorer" of an era.

 

[The90]

Leads over the peers would probably be more informative than average goals per game, because the latter assume Matthews|OV peer was an average skater.

For example, #2 in goal-scoring was at 57 in 23/24 and at 46 in 08/09. So, Matthews was 21% ahead of #2 and OV was 22% ahead of his #2 - virtual tie with a slight edge to OV.

I’ll take the 15 more even strength goals + defensive play, thanks

 

[Zuluss]

I’ll take the 15 more even strength goals + defensive play, thanks

I don't think the Richard tournament asks about defensive play, we are supposed to look at goal-scoring only.
But if we are allowed to talk about things not relevant to the voting, I'd rather take the season with the Hart/Lindsay.

 

[The90]

I don't think the Richard tournament asks about defensive play, we are supposed to look at goal-scoring only.
But if we are allowed to talk about things not relevant to the voting, I'd rather take the season with the Hart/Lindsay.

Do they ask about more goals even without being a black hole defensively? I’m new to this.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Do they ask about more goals even without being a black hole defensively? I’m new to this.

08-09 Ovechkin didn't need to play defense because he was so much f***ing better than everyone else. He tilted the ice.

This isn't waiting for the one-timer at the top of the circle OV. 08-09 was still prime/peak/best in the world OV.

Did you watch him that season?

 

[Zuluss]

I wonder if anyone can do an analysis of how they did against PO/non-PO teams.
I believe we are not allowed to bring the real PO into the picture, but maybe 10 goals in 14 games vs. 1 goal in 5 games were predictable from RS stats.

 

[Ignatius]

08-09 Ovechkin didn't need to play defense because he was so much f***ing better than everyone else. He tilted the ice.

This isn't waiting for the one-timer at the top of the circle OV. 08-09 was still prime/peak/best in the world OV.

Did you watch him that season?

The comments in this thread are very confusing, we have one person talking about goal scoring and goal scoring alone and another talking about player impact and another talking about overall player dynamics in addition to goal scoring.

It's not the topic of this specific thread but I would rather compare OV's 65 goal season to Matthew's 69 goal season. Unless or until that happens I'm going with AM34