Maurice Richard Trophy Tournament (1995-Present) Round 1: 2010 Steven Stamkos vs 2010 Sidney Crosby

[blundluntman]

MATCHUP #11 (Round 1): Steven Stamkos (2010) vs Sidney Crosby (2010)

Steven Stamkos (2009-10):

Games Played	Goals	Even Strength Goals	Power Play Goals	League Wide Goals Per Game
82	51	26	24	2.84

Sidney Crosby (2009-10):

Games Played	Goals	Even Strength Goals	Power Play Goals	League Wide Goals Per Game
81	51	36	13	2.84

Round 1 Matchups
24 Matthews vs 97 Tkachuk Thread
23 McDavid vs 17 Crosby Thread
22 Matthews vs 06 Cheechoo Thread
21 Matthews vs 16 Ovechkin Thread
20 Pastrnak vs 20 Ovechkin Thread
19 Ovechkin vs 18 Ovechkin Thread
15 Ovechkin vs 12 Stamkos Thread
14 Ovechkin vs 09 Ovechkin Thread
13 Ovechkin vs 95 Bondra (Still Active) Thread
11 Perry vs 00 Bure Thread
10 Stamkos vs 10 Crosby
08 Ovechkin vs 01 Bure
07 Lecavalier vs 02 Iginla
04 Nash vs 04 Iginla vs 04 Kovalchuk
03 Hejduk vs 96 Lemieux
99 Selanne vs 98 Bondra

Note: Due to the Richard Trophy not having a tiebreaker, I will conduct one myself in the first round to avoid matchup complications in later rounds.

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[Letsdothis]

Your games played for Crosby looks off. Tie is a tie, voted for Crosby though.

 

[slapKing]

Crosby but he played 81 games with 51 goals.

 

[Golden_Jet]

MATCHUP #11 (Round 1): Steven Stamkos (2010) vs Sidney Crosby (2010)

Steven Stamkos (2009-10):

Games Played	Goals	Even Strength Goals	Power Play Goals	League Wide Goals Per Game
82	51	26	24	2.84

Sidney Crosby (2009-10):

Games Played	Goals	Even Strength Goals	Power Play Goals	League Wide Goals Per Game
74	58	45	11	2.84

Round 1 Matchups
24 Matthews vs 97 Tkachuk Thread
23 McDavid vs 17 Crosby Thread
22 Matthews vs 06 Cheechoo Thread
21 Matthews vs 16 Ovechkin Thread
20 Pastrnak vs 20 Ovechkin Thread
19 Ovechkin vs 18 Ovechkin Thread
15 Ovechkin vs 12 Stamkos Thread
14 Ovechkin vs 09 Ovechkin Thread
13 Ovechkin vs 95 Bondra (Still Active) Thread
11 Perry vs 00 Bure Thread
10 Stamkos vs 10 Crosby
08 Ovechkin vs 01 Bure
07 Lecavalier vs 02 Iginla
04 Nash vs 04 Iginla vs 04 Kovalchuk
03 Hejduk vs 96 Lemieux
99 Selanne vs 98 Bondra

Note: Due to the Richard Trophy not having a tiebreaker, I will conduct one myself in the first round to avoid matchup complications in later rounds.

Crosby 81 games not 74
51 goals not 58
Stamkos was 19 years old for most of that season.

 

[blundluntman]

Thanks for the corrections guys. Changed it to 81 (and goals to 51). Sorry about that.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Thanks for the correction guys. Changed it to 81. Sorry about that.

You didn’t change the goals scored to 51 from 58, didn’t check even strength goals , probably wrong as well.

 

[blundluntman]

You didn’t change the goals scored to 51 from 58

Changed that one as well. Accidentally published the poll before I edited everything in the table for this round

 

[Video Nasty]

I voted Crosby, though it should be noted that Stamkos scored 51 of Tampa Bay’s 214 goals (not including 3 shootout goals), which is 23.8%. Crosby scored 51 of Pittsburgh’s 249 goals (not including 8 shootout goals), which is 20.5%.

Still, with so much being close when you dig further into their individual numbers, I usually always lean towards the playmaker finding the time to score that many goals while handing out more assists.

 

[Johnny Tomala]

Crosby 2009-10.

 

[Regal]

I voted Crosby, though it should be noted that Stamkos scored 51 of Tampa Bay’s 214 goals (not including 3 shootout goals), which is 23.8%. Crosby scored 51 of Pittsburgh’s 249 goals (not including 8 shootout goals), which is 20.5%.

Still, with so much being close when you dig further into their individual numbers, I usually always lean towards the playmaker finding the time to score that many goals while handing out more assists.

I’m honestly curious about the reasoning for factoring this in? I’ve seen it a lot with percentage of points on goals for the Hart as a measure of value, or in terms of point totals since there’s more chance of assists if your team is scoring a bunch, but I’m not sure if their teammates scoring has much affect on their own goal totals. I guess maybe team playing style, but Tampa wasn’t really defensive, they were just bad. If anything, having St.Louis as a regular linemate probably gives Stamkos an edge in help from his team.

I think the biggest thing in Stamkos’s favour here would be sustainability. His shooting percentage jumped from his rookie year but was fairly in line with his career average, and even more in line with his subsequent seasons before his leg injury. Crosby‘s wasn’t a huge outlier, but it was more of one. If they both shot their career averages it would have been 50 goals for Stamkos and 43 for Sid.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby fairly easily

 

[nowhereman]

Crosby is the obvious answer here. He was being "fed" by Kunitz and Dupuis, while Stamkos had Martin St. Louis as his set-up man. Crosby also called his shot in pre-season, saying that he was going to try to become more of a goal scorer and then immediately won the Rocket. That's pretty impressive, especially when you consider he was a playmaker who played on a helicopter line with 2nd line running mates.

I’m honestly curious about the reasoning for factoring this in? I’ve seen it a lot with percentage of points on goals for the Hart as a measure of value, or in terms of point totals since there’s more chance of assists if your team is scoring a bunch, but I’m not sure if their teammates scoring has much affect on their own goal totals.

It's the ol' "Crosby is the easy answer but I can't just openly compliment him without an asterisk".

 

[filinski77]

Crosby is the obvious answer here. He was being "fed" by Kunitz and Dupuis, while Stamkos had Martin St. Louis as his set-up man. Crosby also called his shot in pre-season, saying that he was going to try to become more of a goal scorer and then immediately won the Rocket. That's pretty impressive, especially when you consider he was a playmaker who played on a helicopter line with 2nd line running mates.


It's the ol' "Crosby is the easy answer but I can't just openly compliment him without an asterisk".

No need to lie.

Dupuis assisted on 7 of Crosby's goals, and Kunitz on 6 of his goals. Meanwhile, Malkin assisted on 17 of Crosby's goals (including a ton of Even-strength play), despite only playing 67 games.

 

[Midnight Judges]

It seems to me scoring 51 goals in 2010 is pretty darn close to scoring 51 goals in 2010.

 

[Regal]

No need to lie.

Dupuis assisted on 7 of Crosby's goals, and Kunitz on 6 of his goals. Meanwhile, Malkin assisted on 17 of Crosby's goals (including a ton of Even-strength play), despite only playing 67 games.

Except we know their minutes together aren’t high, so the fact that Malkin assisted on more goals isn’t a good thing. It means his linemates other than Malkin who he played with for the majority of the time were that bad at getting him the puck. He played 170:48 of his 1175:55 5v5 minutes with Malkin (14.5%), and 218:19 of his 1298:13 ES minutes (16.8%). The majority of his 5v5/ES ice time was with Guerin, Kunitz and Dupuis, and he even played more with Fedotenko. All this says is that if he played with an actual elite linemate most of the time, he probably would have scored more.

And for reference, St.Louis assisted on 27 of Stamkos’s goals, and played with him 865:28 of his 1102:04 5v5 minutes (78.5%), and 933:18 of his 1192:24 ES minutes (78.3%). Stamkos developed into a guy who could score in a lot of different ways in his 60 goal year, but he was mostly a trigger man in 09-10.

 

[Toby91ca]

It seems to me scoring 51 goals in 2010 is pretty darn close to scoring 51 goals in 2010.

Correct, so how do you break the tie? For me, Crosby is the easy pick....go with whatever tiebreaker you want.....1 less game played, so was more efficient, way more EV goals, significantly more points (goals is used for points tiebreaker, so go with pts for goal tiebreaker), etc, etc.

 

[nowhereman]

No need to lie.

Dupuis assisted on 7 of Crosby's goals, and Kunitz on 6 of his goals. Meanwhile, Malkin assisted on 17 of Crosby's goals (including a ton of Even-strength play), despite only playing 67 games.

I didn't lie, since Crosby and Malkin were not and never were regular linemates. And this doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Crosby did more with less. Crosby scored the same number of goals with Guerin and an injured Kunitz as his most common linemates, while Stamkos scored that number with one of the better playmakers in St. Louis on his wing.