Matvei Michkov vs. Ivan Demidov; who will be better?

[Sasha Orlov]

Not really lol.....

Michkov went 7th in a super deep draft BECAUSE of his 3 year contract and refusal to speak to other teams

Demidov went 5th in a weak draft without a contract. A draft in which the 1st overall player (Celebrini) would go 4th or 5th next to Leo Carlsson in the 23'

Demidov doesn't go top 10 in 23'

This is pure cope about not drafting him but ok

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

This is a lie and a simple Google search would show you that. Michkov was 1st on many boards and was 1st on all boards D-2

Which board was Michkov 1st on?

Connor Bedard was No. 1 on TSN’s Pre-Season Rankings for the 2023 NHL Draft and ten out of 10 scouts surveyed by TSN had him 1st.

 

[Xirik]

Which board was Michkov 1st on?

Connor Bedard was No. 1 on TSN’s Pre-Season Rankings for the 2023 NHL Draft and ten out of 10 scouts surveyed by TSN had him 1st.

How many boards was Michkov not 2nd on?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

How many boards was Michkov not 2nd on?

What does that have anything to do with Michkov competing with Bedard for 1st overall?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

How many boards was Michkov not 2nd on?

NHL ones apparently

 

[banks]

Michkov. I don't buy in on prospect hype very often. But this guy has sold me. He's the real deal.

 

[Sasso09]

Incidentally — I’ve written about this before — I’ve actually spoken to someone very close to the matter and high up at SKA and they specifically cited Michkov’s speed and size as issues. I asked if the Habs made a mistake not picking Michkov and the person said he feels probably not because Michkov has to improve a lot in that domain.

Give it a rest.

You've written nothing. Show the link

Michkov and Demidov are of same speed, while Michkov is a much better technical skater

Michkov just measured this week at 5'10.5" 190
Demidov two weeks ago at 6'0.25" 187

If there's a size and skating issue for one there's a size and skating issue for both

I think Michkov is a brilliant prospect and player but your argument doesn't hold up at all. SKA might actually not rate Michkov as highly as others do -- it's not an objective process and it could very well be that SKA sees less in him than you or I. Habs GM Marc Bergevin didn't rate PK Subban either when most of the league saw him as a topX dman.

Lol now that you're seeing how Demidov is being used how do you feel?

Bit of egg on your face?

 

[Sasso09]

Yeah, and it's weird how many times MHL based teams managed to beat CHLers, and on their ice...

I'd love to see you list the record of those teams/ games

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

You've written nothing. Show the link

Michkov and Demidov are of same speed, while Michkov is a much better technical skater

Michkov just measured this week at 5'10.5" 190
Demidov two weeks ago at 6'0.25" 187

If there's a size and skating issue for one there's a size and skating issue for both


Lol now that you're seeing how Demidov is being used how do you feel?

Bit of egg on your face?

Is he really that heavy ? Thought he was around 180 which at 5 10 is fairly stout already . Neither are fast skaters per say but both move laterally very well imo/ are shifty

 

[Sasso09]

Demidov's 6'1 size suggests he'll have an easier time of his game translating to the NHL.
I also believe Demidov's compete level and motor is much higher than Michkov. Michkov is more talented but he's only 5'9 and I don't see his game translating as well as Demidovs.

Demidov is 6'0.25" 187
Michkov is 5'10.5" 190

Stop making stuff up

Is he really that heavy ? Thought he was around 180 which at 5 10 is fairly stout already . Neither are fast skaters per say but both move laterally very well imo/ are shift

Yes, he weighed in at 190 today

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Demidov is 6'0.25" 187
Michkov is 5'10.5" 190

Stop making stuff up


Yes, he weighed in at 190 today

Interesting . Waiting for the angle that he’s gained too much weight lol

 

[Sasso09]

Philly will coach Michkov to be a grinder or bench his ass. It's all they know how to do. So they'll make him into a bust unless he somehow demands a trade too.

When was the last time Habs developed a PPG+ forward?

This is pure cope about not drafting him but ok

It's just fact

 

[Sasha Orlov]

It's just fact

No it isn’t lmfao

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Probably good to close the poll given very lopsided result in addition to the volatility that the thread could provide . Already 2 rife w the comparison ( I’m not innocent here but maybe 3 threads is 1 too many ?)

 

[waitin425]

If one of them is a Kucherov and one of them a Panarin....will any of us give a shit who is better?

This ongoing debate is stupid. Wait a while people.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

If one of them is a Kucherov and one of them a Panarin....will any of us give a shit who is better?

This ongoing debate is stupid. Wait a while people.

User name checks out

 

[Jee]

If one of them is a Kucherov and one of them a Panarin....will any of us give a shit who is better?

This ongoing debate is stupid. Wait a while people.

Demidov is Wayne Gretzky, Mitchquov is Rocco Grimaldi

 

[Bouboumaster]

Demidov is Wayne Gretzky
Mitchkov is Brent Gretzky

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'd love to see you list the record of those teams/ games

CHL Canada/Russia Series - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[HabzSauce]

Who will contribute more for their team? Who will be an overall bigger impact for winning games?

So far from my eyes, Michkov looks like the better "talent" of the two and Demidov looks more well rounded. They are both extremely competitive. Both extremely smart. And very skilled. I don't see any way these two don't hit their ceiling whatever that may be. I say 90-100+ points for both. With potential for even more. They both seem to have that "it" factor. Aka they're dogs.

I'm a biased homer but I'll take Demidov by a hair for now. I need to see both of them play more this season. Michkov will be in NHL and the KHL is streaming their games for free I hear so no excuses not to watch Demidov either.

 

[HabzSauce]

Probably good to close the poll given very lopsided result in addition to the volatility that the thread could provide . Already 2 rife w the comparison ( I’m not innocent here but maybe 3 threads is 1 too many ?)

Id much rather have this conversation here than in the Michkov/Demidov threads lmao. This topic deserves its own thread

 

[Zine]

I'd love to see you list the record of those teams/ games

CHL Canada/Russia Series - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There’s the Junior Club World Cup too. Competing were junior teams from numerous countries.

CHL sent a representative 3 times.
Sudbury won Gold in 2013-14, and placed 6th the following year. Cape Breton finished 8th in 2015-16.
USHL sent a team 4 times. Never finished higher than 3rd.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Id much rather have this conversation here than in the Michkov/Demidov threads lmao. This topic deserves its own thread

Right but the talk will continue in those threads additionally. Of course post wherever you’d like

 

[Kshahdoo]

There’s the Junior Club World Cup too. Competing were junior teams from numerous countries.

CHL sent a representative 3 times.
Sudbury won Gold in 2013-14, and placed 6th the following year. Cape Breton finished 8th in 2015-16.
USHL sent a team 4 times. Never finished higher than 3rd.

And you can add U17 World Challenge which Russia won the last 2 times when it participated at...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If one of them is a Kucherov and one of them a Panarin....will any of us give a shit who is better?

This ongoing debate is stupid. Wait a while people.

Yes because one produces in the playoffs and the other doesn't.