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Matthews vs Rantanen - Better player?

Rantanen or Matthews

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Leafs fan saying Rantanen AINEC.

Mikko Rantanen has MORE goals in 3 periods (his back to back hat tricks) than Matthews does in each of the 11 playoff SERIES.

6 goals in 3 periods
5 goals and below in 5-13 games, oh and he only hit 5 goals in 2 of those 11 series

Yeah it's a single stat and you could use single stats to prove anything, but this stat is highlighting the overall trend between the two, abysmal failures for Glassews and legendary performances for Moose.

Rantanen is a good scorer no doubt, but not even in the same stratosphere in the season, which goes to show you how different playoffs to season are, Matthews is incapable of elevating his game and his game completely falls apart. Rantanen is the complete opposite.

And playoffs>>>>>>>>everything in terms of worth.
 
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Hard to say, Rantanen seems to be a player who is pretty good in the regular season but is probably coasting a lot compared to the playoffs. Matthews can be dominant in the regular season but does not seem to able to elevate his game in the play offs. I voted for Matthews anyways, but it is close. I think if both were playing in a bottom-5 teams where the regular season is a struggle, Rantanen would be clearly worse.
 
I voted Rantanen but the timing of this poll will scew things, if you made the poll just after Matthews finished a record goal scoring season it would probably be a different result.

Rantanen is hotter than ever and Matthews is colder than ever right now (maybe also because of an injury)
 
This isn't even a fair comparison, Matthews is a regular season merchant and a bum in the playoffs. Rantanen is one of the best all time playoff performers.
 
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matsqq said:
I voted Rantanen but the timing of this poll will scew things, if you made the poll just after Matthews finished a record goal scoring season it would probably be a different result.

Rantanen is hotter than ever and Matthews is colder than ever right now (maybe also because of an injury)
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I mean our sample size is now a one season and 2 post-seasons larger. Normally that is a good thing. It’s like saying that poll between Celebrini and Bedard would have looked much different 1,5 years ago that it would look now. What matters more, perhaps the most recent results, no?

Besides, Matthews scored the biggest goal of his career in a previous game when this poll was made. Unfortunately Rantanen is always a hot name in this time of the year.
 
Miro4Norris said:
Why would you pick the worse player for the playoffs? That sounds strange.
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Yeah this is exactly why I choose Rantanen.

At the end of the day, the better player is the one I would take on my team for a cup run. Not who I think could win the Hart or Rocket.

If it wasn't so incredibly lopsided for Rantanen in the playoffs we could probably respect Matthew's RS performance a bit more, but I think the difference is just too big to overlook in the playoffs for Matthew's regular seasons to still hold enough weight.
 
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Miro4Norris said:
I don't know what is not working like that. I would say with having this large sample size, including Rantanen performing on 2 teams, things are working exactly how these stats are saying.

I guess the difference here is what we value. I value constant generational playoff performances, you value elite goal-scoring seasons in regular season every now and then, no matter if it carries to a post-season.
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This. It's like loving Marner before every individual in Panthers third line. But when it's playoffs and when teams and players are battling for the cup? Marner wouldn't even make top9 in the Panthers lineup. Matthews and Marner are the most heavily overrated players in the hockey world and it's understandable. They belong to the Leafs and are both from NA.
I mean what's the meaning in hyping these two up when they can't win jack? It's like hyping up England's soccer team when they never win anything and have overrated players as well.

I mean let's be honest here. Matthews doesn't perform any better than Lundell in the playoffs. Let's not even mention Barkov. Stating Matthews plays a defensively great and winning game is also the biggest lie and the playoffs and Panthers proves that fact. He hasn't been able to take Leafs anywhere worth mentioning and like we've already stated, there are players with a lot better playoff stats and cup, like The MOOSE himself.

I don't even think Rantanen is close being the best finnish player but he surely is better than Matthews and he performs better when it matters compared to Matthews. Not even debatable. Quite Franky, laughable stating anything else.
 
Breakfast of Champs said:
Yeah this is exactly why I choose Rantanen.

At the end of the day, the better player is the one I would take on my team for a cup run. Not who I think could win the Hart or Rocket.

If it wasn't so incredibly lopsided for Rantanen in the playoffs we could probably respect Matthew's RS performance a bit more, but I think the difference is just too big to overlook in the playoffs for Matthew's regular seasons to still hold enough weight.
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Exactly this, thank you. Period.
 
This poll will be drenched in recency bias. At their best, Matthews is the better player. He's so much better defensively and he absolutely dominates games on both ends of the rink. But he shrinks in the big moments. Rantanen is less consistent game to game and is nowhere as good defensively, but he has shown the ability, especially recently, to give huge performances when it counts. I still had to vote Matthews because I think he's the better player overall.
 
Svedu said:
This. It's like loving Marner before every individual in Panthers third line. But when it's playoffs and when teams and players are battling for the cup? Marner wouldn't even make top9 in the Panthers lineup. Matthews and Marner are the most heavily overrated players in the hockey world and it's understandable. They belong to the Leafs and are both from NA.
I mean what's the meaning in hyping these two up when they can't win jack? It's like hyping up England's soccer team when they never win anything and have overrated players as well.
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Marner scored the winning goal in the "Four Nations" tournament (which had much tougher competition), and he was excellent during that time — and continued to perform well afterward in Toronto.

The team you play on, the level of your opponents — all of that matters. There's no simple way to measure how good a player really is; everyone uses their own yardstick.

But you can be 100% sure that Miro4Norris and Svedu will be heavily biased, claiming that all Finnish players are absolutely superb — even though Finland finished last in the 2 most recent best-on-best tournaments. (Of course, there will be all sorts of excuses for that.)
 
Dr John Carlson said:
This would've been a landslide for Matthews before the Game 7 hat trick two weeks ago. Major prisoner of the moment vibes in here, come on.
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How so? Rantanen has been better than Matthews in playoffs for a long time. Even before these playoffs he was all time 8th in ppg for playoff games. Had more points than MacKinnon had on their Cup run.

Not sure about the landslide.
 
Right now I think Mathews is currently being a whipping boy (some of it justified) which lowers his perceived value and I think Rantanen’s value is over the top a little right now given his playoff performance this year.

Assuming he is 100% healthy. Because he is a center. 60+ goal scorer. Id take Mathews. But the choice is a lot closer than I think people would like to honestly admit.
 
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If you want to "win" and stat pad and sell jerseys in the regular season, its Matthews but its close.

If you want to win a cup, its Rantanen and its not close at all
 
Harvey Birdman said:
Right now I think Mathews is currently being a whipping boy (some of it justified) which lowers his perceived value and I think Rantanen’s value is over the top a little right now given his playoff performance this year.

Assuming he is 100% healthy. Because he is a center. 60+ goal scorer. Id take Mathews. But the choice is a lot closer than I think people would like to honestly admit.
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It's cuz he sucks in the playoffs, who wants that for the highest cap hit in the league?

Playoffs are everything.

Before these playoffs, he went from 6th all time in season gpg to 51st all time in the playoffs, that was BEFORE these playoffs. Dropping to 84th is just the nail in the coffin (Rantanen is 33rd).

Rants is also 7th all time in playoffs ppg and Matthews is 87th.

I guess if you're in a 7 game series vs the Pens/Hawks/Sharks/Predators and want to see who can score the most powerplay goals, Matthews is your guy, if you're actually going into the playoffs with the intention of winning a cup, Rantanen is your guy
 
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Matthews has never been a good playoff performer and this has been overshadowed by his obscene RS numbers, but it seems like everyone is catching on now

I think Rantanen is miles better in the playoffs and that’s what really matters
 
They are 9th and 10th in points since their rookie season (16-17)
Matthews has over 100 more goals in that time, and 22 more points in about 14 less games.
Their overall impact is similar, but the goal scoring alone puts Matthews ahead.

PO impact, obviously heavily tilts towards Rantanen, but not enough to make up the goal scoring.
 
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