Speculation: Matthews to California team for two 1sts?

[Grinner]

This is what I'm not understanding with the Sharks. To me, it was odd trading Eklund. In my opinion, the potential is already there and it's time to make moves that pushes the team into the playoffs. More draft picks isn't going to improve the team right now. It somewhat reminds me of the Oilers until they got McDavid. But Sharks already have their "McDavid" with Celebrini yet I don't think their going to make the playoffs. The roster essentially got worse with that trade. So, I'm thinking Knies fills in that role. But it's ok to disagree. There's only so much to be said here.

That's the argument I've seen being used on multiple team boards here.
It doesn't change the vast difference in value
Grier is building for the long term.
Once again, I'm totally in favor of acquiring Knies, but not if it involves Misa or the 2nd.
I read that supposedly Toronto was seeking a top ten pick, a roster player and a prospect.
Rhe Sharks have another top ten pick

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

 

[HofT]

That's the argument I've seen being used on multiple team boards here.
It doesn't change the vast difference in value
Grier is building for the long term.
Once again, I'm totally in favor of acquiring Knies, but not if it involves Misa or the 2nd.
I read that supposedly Toronto was seeking a top ten pick, a roster player and a prospect.
Rhe Sharks have another top ten pick

I'm interested to hear what you think Knies is worth. Something that makes sense for both teams.

 

[Grinner]

I'm interested to hear what you think Knies is worth. Something that makes sense for both teams.

If you want a trade with the Sharks, we're talking prospects.
I'd start with
9
Muk
Musty and or Ravensbergen

 

[HFpapi]

As a Leafs fan, I've thrown these trades out before and now today there is a rumour about at least one incoming piece being available.

Trade 1:

Matthews for McQueen + Luneau + 1st

Trade 2:

Nylander for Nikishin + 1st

Leafs rebuild around Mckenna, Knies, McQueen, Nikishin, Cowan, + a couple of firsts. Ducks and Hurricanes both re-up with offensive superstars to make a run at their respective conferences.

 

[Mattb124]

And Misa is? He's still an "if". And if they take Knies, they can play him with Celebrini and move Smith to his natural Center position on the 2nd line who is more NHL ready than Misa.

Smith is absolutely not a center at the NHL level. He didn’t even assume all the C responsibilities when he played in college with Perrault and Leonard - he’s just not that engaged. Not sure why people keep parroting that.

Misa struggled early last year (then got injured), but really made a big step in the last ~15 games of the season. During that period I saw numerous comments from Sharks fans who saw the “7x” on a player entering the O-zone with the puck or making another high speed/high IQ play and assumed it was Celebrini - only to realize it was Misa. There will be growing pains but he will be fine as our 2C.

 

[apadilla]

...trading Eklund is a clear sign that Stenberg is the pick at 2nd Overall...with 9th & 27th Overall as well, SJ could try and move up by packaging them or trade them to another team still in the rebuilding phase and get a Dman back...

San Jose is sitting pretty going into this draft.

 

[HofT]

If you want a trade with the Sharks, we're talking prospects.
I'd start with
9
Muk
Musty and or Ravensbergen

But how does that make sense for the Leafs? You're over rating 9th overall, it's very much a 50/50 chance the player will be good, and if he is, it will take years.

 

[Grinner]

This is what I'm not understanding with the Sharks. To me, it was odd trading Eklund. In my opinion, the potential is already there and it's time to make moves that pushes the team into the playoffs. More draft picks isn't going to improve the team right now. It somewhat reminds me of the Oilers until they got McDavid. But Sharks already have their "McDavid" with Celebrini yet I don't think their going to make the playoffs. The roster essentially got worse with that trade. So, I'm thinking Knies fills in that role. But it's ok to disagree. There's only so much to be said here.

Yes we do have our " McDavid"
We also has our Draisitail.
Well, hopefully

 

[HofT]

Yes we do have our " McDavid"
We also has our Draisitail.
Well, hopefully

You have potential for 2 "Draisitails".

 

[93gilmour93]

Yeah, that is the rumor. Will be very cool if it is true.

It is so funny to see all these Toronto fans having a fit over Matthews trying to lower his value and discredit him.

I guess they are oblivious to the 3 rocket trophies….50 goals in 50 games….most goals scored in the NHL since he entered the league. Hahaha, it is funny how these facts got left out, huh?

We got no time for those stats around here.

 

[Mattb124]

This is what I'm not understanding with the Sharks. To me, it was odd trading Eklund. In my opinion, the potential is already there and it's time to make moves that pushes the team into the playoffs. More draft picks isn't going to improve the team right now. It somewhat reminds me of the Oilers until they got McDavid. But Sharks already have their "McDavid" with Celebrini yet I don't think they’re going to make the playoffs. The roster essentially got worse with that trade. So, I'm thinking Knies fills in that role. But it's ok to disagree. There's only so much to be said here.

There is a lot you are not understanding about the Sharks.

As previously stated, Grier has repeatedly said he will not rush the rebuild. The Sharks may be worse between now and the draft (tomorrow) after trading Eklund, but presuming they draft Stenberg they should be as good or better once they actually start playing hockey again.

Add to that what management may do with the 9th and 27thOA draft picks, I see no legitimate reason for pessimism.

 

[Grinner]

But how does that make sense for the Leafs? You're over rating 9th overall, it's very much a 50/50 chance the player will be good, and if he is, it will take years.

That's the chance teams make when dealing with futures.
Obviously, the offer can be tweaked.
Would you prefer our 2027 1st ( Top 6 protected) over the prospects mentioned?

 

[Grinner]

You have potential for 2 "Draisitails".

I'll take that.
I was just quoting you with the McDavid comment

 

[Leo2Cutter]

As a Leafs fan, I've thrown these trades out before and now today there is a rumour about at least one incoming piece being available.

Trade 1:

Matthews for McQueen + Luneau + 1st

Trade 2:

Nylander for Nikishin + 1st

Leafs rebuild around Mckenna, Knies, McQueen, Nikishin, Cowan, + a couple of firsts. Ducks and Hurricanes both re-up with offensive superstars to make a run at their respective conferences.

People do understand that Anaheim cant just add Matthews..... McTavish almost has to be in the deal for cap purposes.

Also luneau is our 1RHD right now lol unless you think were going to get matthews and ice Helleson Moore and Warren on the right side.

 

[lucky0slevin]

You don’t think Celebrini - Matthews would be a half decent 1-2 punch?

I think a prefer a celebrini Misa 1-2 punch for longer

 

[HofT]

That's the chance teams make when dealing with futures.
Obviously, the offer can be tweaked.
Would you prefer our 2027 1st ( Top 6 protected) over the prospects mentioned?

I'm interested in potential current/future needs, which is Dmen or 1/2C. With Leafs getting McKenna it changes a lot. But if not, a line that's Knies - Tavares - Nylander, or playing with Matthews is preferable to keep because I do think Leafs have a real chance to make playoffs next season. Trading for bigger "ifs" doesn't get them there and pushes Matthews away. It has to be attractive to give up Knies.

 

[HFpapi]

People do understand that Anaheim cant just add Matthews..... McTavish almost has to be in the deal for cap purposes.

Also luneau is our 1RHD right now lol unless you think were going to get matthews and ice Helleson Moore and Warren on the right side.

So then trade McTavish in a separate deal for a RHD.

I think my proposal is a pretty moderate price for the Ducks to pay for a 28 year old former MVP. Letting Luneau be the blocker......

 

[Grinner]

I'm interested in potential current/future needs, which is Dmen or 1/2C. With Leafs getting McKenna it changes a lot. But if not, a line that's Knies - Tavares - Nylander, or playing with Matthews is preferable to keep because I do think Leafs have a real chance to make playoffs next season. Trading for bigger "ifs" doesn't get them there and pushes Matthews away. It has to be attractive to give up Knies.

I can understand that.
I guess were not good trading partners

 

[CupsOverCash]

If leafs are not in the playoffs by the deadline could see them trade him. Otherwise sounds like they're trying to win again.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

So then trade McTavish in a separate deal for a RHD.

I think my proposal is a pretty moderate price for the Ducks to pay for a 28 year old former MVP. Letting Luneau be the blocker......

It’s more the cap space

13.5 + prob at least 23 for Leo + cutter gives us less than 4 mil to fill out the RHD, resign zellweger/mintyukov moore… and fill out forward lines.

 

[Rec T]

It’s more the cap space

13.5 + prob at least 23 for Leo + cutter gives us less than 4 mil to fill out the RHD, resign zellweger/mintyukov moore… and fill out forward lines.

AND it's only two years of AM. Zero guarantee that he'd want to extend or that the AAV would be reasonable if he did. Potentially sacrificing the future for a couple of years of not being very competitive in the playoffs would ... actually be a very Ducks thing to do. Sigh

 

[I am Canadian]

That's the argument I've seen being used on multiple team boards here.
It doesn't change the vast difference in value
Grier is building for the long term.
Once again, I'm totally in favor of acquiring Knies, but not if it involves Misa or the 2nd.
I read that supposedly Toronto was seeking a top ten pick, a roster player and a prospect.
Rhe Sharks have another top ten pick

At the very least Knies is worth what Byram brought back.

4th overall
2nd round pick
Roster player

You need to overpay to get Knies at this point.

Something like

9th overall
Sam Dickinson
Filip Bystedt

Very much doubt that SJ is interested in paying that price

 

[colchar]

I know it’s Berger…

That pathetic loser Eklund was suggesting the same thing this morning.

 

[Grinner]

At the very least Knies is worth what Byram brought back.

4th overall
2nd round pick
Roster player

You need to overpay to get Knies at this point.

Something like

9th overall
Sam Dickinson
Filip Bystedt

Very much doubt that SJ is interested in paying that price

He's not worth what Bryam brought. Otherwise, he be a Blackhawk
That's a definite no on Dickerson