Proposal: Matthews+ for McDavid

[Dead Coyote]

No. McDavid isn’t being traded and if he was the Oilers need a 1D and 1 G to start

So Montour + Dunn + Daccord?

 

[Armourboy]

Frankly I think if McDavid says he isn't going to sign its not to then sign a contract with another team. If he doesn't sign with Edmonton its because he has decided to completely reset the market and go for max dollars, Cup or anything else be damned.

I get its all hypothetical, but even in a hypothetical I can't see a reason why he would leave a team he just went to the SCF and WCF in back to back years. Now if they win in Edmonton this season, maybe he gets a wild hair and decides he wants to bring one to Toronto, but that's the only case that I can even create a maybe where he would do a sign and trade.

 

[landy]

Frankly I think if McDavid says he isn't going to sign its not to then sign a contract with another team. If he doesn't sign with Edmonton its because he has decided to completely reset the market and go for max dollars, Cup or anything else be damned.

I get its all hypothetical, but even in a hypothetical I can't see a reason why he would leave a team he just went to the SCF and WCF in back to back years. Now if they win in Edmonton this season, maybe he gets a wild hair and decides he wants to bring one to Toronto, but that's the only case that I can even create a maybe where he would do a sign and trade.

EDM has been a tire fire for a decade+ now and its criminal the GMing that has been done around McDavid. Thats why he leaves.

 

[landy]

...did you?

Because the hypothetical isn't that McDavid wants out. It's that he won't re-sign *early*. Wanting out and not re-signing early are very different things.

Im the OP. Theyre one in the same in this hypothetical universe. He is not re-signing at all in Edm. So they go on one more run with him and lose him for nothing or trade him anytime between now and the 2026 deadline.

Matthews wont waive for Edm and a lot is centered around McDavid being the savior in TOR, his hometownish, but that may not be a factor for him at all.

 

[Draiskull]

So Montour + Dunn + Daccord?

Dunn deal.. sign d accord!

 

[namttebih]

Yeah Matthews is never waiving for Edmonton in any of the multiverses.

The Leafs can't trade Matthews because he can handpick his destination, thus leaving the Leafs with next to no leverage.

This is the thread right here. Even if McDavid demanded a trade to the Leafs, Matthews holds the cards. Northern Alberta is far from the desert.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Im the OP. Theyre one in the same in this hypothetical universe. He is not re-signing at all in Edm. So they go on one more run with him and lose him for nothing or trade him anytime between now and the 2026 deadline.

Matthews wont waive for Edm and a lot is centered around McDavid being the savior in TOR, his hometownish, but that may not be a factor for him at all.

They're not the same thing at all. McDavid not re-signing early and McDavid not re-signing at all are wildly different in terms of how Edmonton proceeds and what the value is like. If McDavid tells Edmonton to pound sand entirely, that might change the game for us. How you had it worded initially made it sound like McDavid wasn't willing to re-sign now, but maybe that's still an option at the end of next year. They're different scenarios.

But fine, McDavid won't sign here? Cool. We trade him to the highest bidder for pieces that work for us. Pieces that we think we can win with. Matthews ain't that. If Toronto ponies up Matthews AND Knies for a McDavid that tells us he won't sign under any circumstances, I'd think about it - and then I'd deal Matthews.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

I assumed the

Before you lose your minds, this is assuming McDavid says he is not going to re-sign in EDM early after they lose to the Stars this postseason. So Edm then has the decision to go for one more run with McDavid or Rantanen it and move him now before you lose him for nothing potentially. I am also assuming both Tavares and Marner are gone so lots of money to spend and TOR gives McDavid 8x$17 or whatever high amount you want to put here.

Obviously this would break the NHL internet, but what else does TOR have to add, if anything, to Matthews for an extended McDavid (not just a rental). Inserting Matthews into EDM keeps them in contention mode, but can easily argue is a downgrade over McDavid.

Matthews - $13.25 for 3 more years
for
McDavid - Extends with TOR 8 years
Tanev - $2.5M for 5 more years

I assumed the + was

Matthews@50%
Nylander@50%
Knives@50%
The Scotiabank center.
The CN tower as a sweetener.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Ignoring the whole trade aspect, why would McDavid come to Toronto where PoS losers harass players and their families?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If I had to move him I'd rather do it for young cheap players, prospects and picks. Then use the $ that would be for him to add some mid tier UFA's. Matthews is not a guy that I'd target at his cap hit.

 

[notbias]

If I'm Edmonton, I go to other teams and ask for players who don't suck in the playoffs.

There are 15 other players who played 20+ games and have a higher PPG than Matthews over the last 5 years in the playoffs, so there is your list.

 

[Seachd]

I don’t think that is necessary true.

To Toronto
McDavid
Nurse
Skinner

To Edmonton
Matthews at 10 million
Stolarz
Rielly
Knies
Carlo
1x2

Wait, you think that’s NOT terrible for the Oilers?

 

[MoneyManny]

There are 15 other players who played 20+ games and have a higher PPG than Matthews over the last 5 years in the playoffs, so there is your list.

It's easier to stay ppg when the team never advances.

 

[vokiel]

If Edmonton ever does this, I'm starting a petition for a referendum to separate Alberta from the ROC.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

There are 15 other players who played 20+ games and have a higher PPG than Matthews over the last 5 years in the playoffs, so there is your list.

Thanks bud! And every single one of those players that isn't an Oiler would be up for trade in exchange for McDavid.

 

[93gilmour93]

Just wait a year and if he wants to come home he can sign and it only costs Toronto cap space

 

[SirloinUB]

mcdavid Will resign in Edmonton and OPs offer is a bad deal for the Oilers

 

[Draiskull]

Just wait a year and if he wants to come home he can sign and it only costs Toronto cap space

nothing wrong with hoping for this. Just dont be banking on it.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

This thread is stupid on so many levels... but let's play in the OPs "What If" world.

- If McDavid says he's not re-signing, he holds all the cards on where he wants to go with a full NMC.
- If McDavid says he only wants to go to Toronto, I cannot see any scenario where Matthews waives to play in Edmonton without McDavid
- If Matthews does decide to waive, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than Matthews and Tanev to pry McDavid, even unsigned.
- If Matthews doesn't waive for Edmonton, Toronto does not have the tradeable assets to acquire McDavid. The Oilers then either go for one last kick at the can with McDavid and Drai together and try to convince him to sign in the offseason or Toronto has to make other moves to get assets to trade him.

On a random note, maybe someone can help me with this thought... Does a NMC/NTC apply to a UFA's rights? In theory, I would assume it does, but it if it didn't, could see a trade before the FA opening to a team thinking they could entice McDavid with an 8 year deal.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

quote me on that: Toronto would still be a loser team even with McDavid

any team with Mcdavid instantly becomes a threat to win.

 

[Jee]

any team with Mcdavid instantly becomes a threat to win.

you can't change the script

 

[Riseonfire]

Matthews has cratered his perceived value with his poor resume when it matters.

Probably not the time to try and trade him lol

 

[landy]

They're not the same thing at all. McDavid not re-signing early and McDavid not re-signing at all are wildly different in terms of how Edmonton proceeds and what the value is like. If McDavid tells Edmonton to pound sand entirely, that might change the game for us. How you had it worded initially made it sound like McDavid wasn't willing to re-sign now, but maybe that's still an option at the end of next year. They're different scenarios.

But fine, McDavid won't sign here? Cool. We trade him to the highest bidder for pieces that work for us. Pieces that we think we can win with. Matthews ain't that. If Toronto ponies up Matthews AND Knies for a McDavid that tells us he won't sign under any circumstances, I'd think about it - and then I'd deal Matthews.

Thats reading it with your Oilers glasses on. In what universe does any player say Summer 2025 "Im not re-signing, talk to me after the season" does a GM sit there, not trade him at the deadline, and hope he comes back. That would be an insane fire worthy offense. You would have to win the Cup that year for that to be acceptable.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Thats reading it with your Oilers glasses on. In what universe does any player say Summer 2025 "Im not re-signing, talk to me after the season" does a GM sit there, not trade him at the deadline, and hope he comes back. That would be an insane fire worthy offense. You would have to win the Cup that year for that to be acceptable.

In some cases? Yeah, you do.

It's Connor McDavid, and the Oilers want to win a Stanley Cup. There's no single asset or combination of assets the Oilers could get back that would get them closer to a Cup than Connor McDavid does.

Edmonton has made the conference finals now in back to back seasons and in 3 out of the last 4 years. It's a decent enough gamble to go for it again.

If he says in summer 2025 "I don't want to extend right now, let's talk after this year" that's VERY different than "I'm not re-signing here, now or ever"

 

[93gilmour93]

nothing wrong with hoping for this. Just dont be banking on it.

I don't bank on anything as a for sure thing but if he ever did decide to move on from Edmonton after next season, the Leafs would probably have a solid chance of landing him