Matthew Tkachuk from Elbo Room via Spittin Chiclets

[Scrantonicity 2]

Lets remember that guys like Tkachuk and Bennett did absolutely nothing on Calgary. They were dominated by the Oilers. They both had to jump to a stacked team to win. At the end of the day it's the best team that wins. Mcdavid and Draisaitl are unbelievable players but it doesn't matter because two players will never over come 4 great lines, great defence and goaltending. If Mcdavid takes a vet minimum contract and signs with the Panthers and wins the cup next year it doesn't all of a sudden make him a better player and a winner.

 

[Czechboy]

McDavid probably read that and thought thanks buddy.

 

[NVious]

Why is a bus rider commenting on a bus driver, he ran from the grind because he knew when he wasn't running it was like Kassian all over again (gets pounded).

 

[Panthers Propaganda]

Why is a bus rider commenting on a bus driver, he ran from the grind because he knew when he wasn't running it was like Kassian all over again (gets pounded).

His hip adductor was disconnected from the bone since 4 Nations...and still put up 23pts in 23games.

What a space cadet take.

 

[Grifter3511]

He s talking about heart and actual gameplay. One team plays a team game and one depends on two individuals.

Make a different thread if you want to talk about the NHLPA, union, contracts, or whatever.

You don't need to be wrong to be a douchebag.

 

[PistolPete]

Matthew Tkachuk was quoted :

“ Heart meets talent. Our team was a team. When things were getting hard for them , they looked to one guy. But our team we do it collectively, and thats why we are lifting the Stanley Cup right now because we’re a team and not a bunch of individuals”.

I believe this is a jab to the Oilers especially Mcdavid and Draisaitl because everyone talks about him like he is jesus reincarnated. Even the commentators not once talked about Florida and how great they were all we heard was Oilers making mistakes or dragging them back to Berta or what the Oilers can do differently and this and that. Florida literally dominated and set a record for most time ever led in Stanley Cup finals history and yet didn’t get praised once.

Paul Maurice also did say that Evan Rodriguez told him this is the first team he has been on that he can just be himself not have to try to be funnier, meaner or anything different to fit in just himself .

Does Mcdavid and Draisaitl think so highly of themselves that the dressing room has become a entitled prick zone where the boys are in their own heads ?

Congratulations Panthers and to their fans amazing and fun team to watch, lowkey remind me of the 2012 Kings with comparable players !

I'm not understanding why you're putting this all on Draisaitl and McDavid as if they have turned the Oilers locker room into their own ego station

And how does Tkachuk even know how the Oilers operate? A guess on his part?

I'm going to guess you have a hate on for McDavid and Drsisaitl and saw a chance to grab something and use it as something to shit on them with.

I wouldn't even do this if it was about the Leafs and any of their players.

Some of y'all get to caught up in emotion.

 

[Oneiro]

Edmonton is not a well built team. They rely on two of the best to ever do it and that they haven't won yet is an indictment of the roster construction. They are 100% in the finals because of those two, whereas you just watched Florida get almost nothing from Barkov and Tkachuk for an entire run and still win it.

Nothing Tkachuk said was out of line.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Keep blathering about Kassian. We're pretty happy to have Matthew Tkachuk down here. Guy's a f***ing warrior, I can not believe he played through that injury as effectively he did.

 

[landy]

You don't need to be wrong to be a douchebag.

Still not the point. Its like the kane thread.

The Oilers have assembled a team of two superstars and a bunch of meh and were all so shocked when someone calls them out for not playing like a team.

Any of 4 players couldve got the CS from the Panthers. The Oilers, shocker, is the same two they live and die with.

Hes right and one of the best players in the league every team would kill to have.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

The issue with the Oilers is how quickly they jump to putting McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line. They did it in the 1st period yesterday after falling behind by 1 goal! I know they accomplished some amazing comebacks doing that, but, really, down 0-1 in the first?

They talked about that on the panel afterwards. Knobs planned to do it from the start and committed to it despite Edmonton actually starting off strong. It wound up being more of a panic move that made things even easier for Florida.

 

[Grifter3511]

Still not the point. Its like the kane thread.

The Oilers have assembled a team of two superstars and a bunch of meh and were all so shocked when someone calls them out for not playing like a team.

Any of 4 players couldve got the CS from the Panthers. The Oilers, shocker, is the same two they live and die with.

Hes right and one of the best players in the league every team would kill to have.

You're not saying anything we don't already know. And yes, it was the point of the poster you responded to. He said, 'f*** tkachuk. He's always looking to rub salt in the wounds.' As in, he's a poor winner. You responded with, 'is he wrong?' But that wasn't the poster you responded to's point. His point was that tkachuk is a douche. Your statement didn't change anything about that and I was just reinforcing it.

These aren't mutually exclusive ideas. Panthers are a better team than the Oilers. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of hockey cam see that. Tkachuk is also a douche.

Edit: also, i don't think he was taking a shot at McDavid at all in his comment there. But I still think he's a douche.

 

[v00d00daddy]

I agree that playing playoff style hockey, like old school shut them down and make clutch plays out of the corners etc, is something that McDrai just dont do... and it WOULD be a positive for them if they did play more like Barkov (so I largely agree), but we have seen other stars that dont play that style and succeed in the playoffs too.

Ultimately I think even if you replace McDavid and Draisaitl with slightly better Barkovs... they lose the series. The rest of the team would still lose their matchups. They would be a better team with 2 Barkovs but they wouldnt be good enough to have beaten that Florida team. The real key is that 2 Barkovs would give you the cap space to get a real goalie...to get guys who care more about playing their role and helping their team than about other nonsense.

That all said, I do agree with you and I would honestly have massive respect (moreso than I do) for McDavid if we saw him take his matchup and grind that out and get in lanes and backcheck hard and be relentless on the puck everywhere... that wouldnt be enough given how other guys played. Maybe you are right that if they see McD and Drai doing that the other guys match that energy and the cultural shift in the locker room puts them over the top. But I am not sold on that.

I am on the side of (and could be convinced otherwise) that they'd be better off with only one of McDrai. That would take some good GMing though and I am unsure they have that.

Yeah. Even if McDrai played the hard work style we agree on it would still be a huge battle to beat a team as deep as Florida. Especially because Edmontons depth players failed them in the finals.

But I think even those guys on the Edmonton 3rd and 4th lines would play better, look better, and end up contributing more if this is said and done:

“I love scoring and know it’s necessary but I’m also gonna do every little thing I can to help us win…and I expect you to do it too”

 

[Ezpz]

Credit to Bill Zito and the entire Panthers organization, coaches etc they have truly built a great environment and when players can be themselves and become true brothers they will go to war for one another.

I always told myself or rather the biggest “what if” for my Kings was if Slava Voynov was never an idiot wife beater and Mike Richards wasn’t a drug addict how many cup runs did that team really have . What im trying to say is i wonder and can’t wait to see how many runs this Florida team can actually make because they are definitely the standard of the league .

In Richards defense, which I loathe to do, he likely started doing drugs well before his untimely falling off. They may have even enhanced his performance originally. Likely by the end he was using them as pain management, as it was oxy he was caught with, so even without the drugs the falling off still would have happened. Hell, even moving behind Kopitar in LA made him drop his production 35% or so. I still think that was the most absurd cap relief in history though. Lombardi terminated that contract before any details were out or any charges were filed. Deffo should have lost a first round pick for that. Anyways, it was injuries that did him in. What'd it end up being, like 1 mil cap space for ten years? Absurd.

Ironically, I wonder if LA would have won even more cups keeping Schenn and Simmonds but still doing the Carter trade. I still believe trading Jack Johnson won the KIngs their cups. What a liability.

Hate u guys tho so I'm glad it stopped at 2.

 

[Grifter3511]

Yeah. Even if McDrai played the hard work style we agree on it would still be a huge battle to beat a team as deep as Florida. Especially because Edmontons depth players failed them in the finals.

But I think even those guys on the Edmonton 3rd and 4th lines would play better, look better, and end up contributing more if this is said and done:

“I love scoring and know it’s necessary but I’m also gonna do every little thing I can to help us win…and I expect you to do it too”

And then the entire team turns and stairs at Stu.

Edit: it's the Starship Trooper meme.

McDavid: I'm doing my part.
Drai: I'm doing my part
Klingberg: I'm doing my part.
Kapanen: I'm doing my part.
Skinner: Im not doing shit!

 

[Grifter3511]

They talked about that on the panel afterwards. Knobs planned to do it from the start and committed to it despite Edmonton actually starting off strong. It wound up being more of a panic move that made things even easier for Florida.

Must be at least slightly demoralizing for the winger on McD's line who Draisatl takes the spot of, and the two other players on Draisatl's line.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

I'm not understanding why you're putting this all on Draisaitl and McDavid as if they have turned the Oilers locker room into their own ego station

And how does Tkachuk even know how the Oilers operate? A guess on his part?

I'm going to guess you have a hate on for McDavid and Drsisaitl and saw a chance to grab something and use it as something to shit on them with.

I wouldn't even do this if it was about the Leafs and any of their players.

Some of y'all get to caught up in emotion.

So the coach just put McDraichard out there for 25 minutes a night for funsies? They literally loaded them up and ran the ballsacks off of them. Everything ran through them. It’s not rocket surgery.

 

[Dynamic]

First of all Chucky is a meathead. He could win a 100 cups, he is never going to be on a level where he should ever be questioning other teams and how they operate. Or give any insight on "being a team". He has always been a piece of the puzzle put never the leader. I take what he says as seriously as a sloth climbing Everest.

But lets indulge him and give it some thought. So the team that you faced last year in the finals made it back. Sliced through the west like hot butter. Faced serious injury issues with all their key players during the season. Battled through the West again but by the time they faced FLA was missing a top 6, another top 6 injured, #1 shutdown D playing but was still seriously hurt. Not to mention not really having a starting goaltender. Meanwhile FLA gets an absolute unit of a rental player, best goalie in the league, gifted a top 4 D by some idiot GM in Chicago, and literally every acquisition works out better than expected. There are many other things to draw conclusions about but questioning whether your opponent plays as a team? The Oilers played as a complete unit most of the playoffs. Depth carried them through. Maybe the team they were playing is really good?? What am I missing here? Take the win Chucky, your team is great. The Oilers were very good too but not a match this year.

 

[12ozPapa]

He’s right. Same issue in Toronto is a sense.

 

[Kamus]

Nothing that every Oiler fan hasn’t said….. we know that we have had shitty GMs since McDavid has played on the team….
This is a shot at the GMs, coaches and owner.

 

[Turin]

Oilers deserve that comment because they get again went with McDrai line 1 when things got hard.

 

[PistolPete]

So the coach just put McDraichard out there for 25 minutes a night for funsies? They literally loaded them up and ran the ballsacks off of them. Everything ran through them. It’s not rocket surgery.

Not sure what you're responding to but I was responding to Kingsfan's claims

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

Matthew Tkachuk was quoted :

“ Heart meets talent. Our team was a team. When things were getting hard for them , they looked to one guy. But our team we do it collectively, and thats why we are lifting the Stanley Cup right now because we’re a team and not a bunch of individuals”.

I believe this is a jab to the Oilers especially Mcdavid and Draisaitl because everyone talks about him like he is jesus reincarnated. Even the commentators not once talked about Florida and how great they were all we heard was Oilers making mistakes or dragging them back to Berta or what the Oilers can do differently and this and that. Florida literally dominated and set a record for most time ever led in Stanley Cup finals history and yet didn’t get praised once.

Paul Maurice also did say that Evan Rodriguez told him this is the first team he has been on that he can just be himself not have to try to be funnier, meaner or anything different to fit in just himself .

Does Mcdavid and Draisaitl think so highly of themselves that the dressing room has become a entitled prick zone where the boys are in their own heads ?

Congratulations Panthers and to their fans amazing and fun team to watch, lowkey remind me of the 2012 Kings with comparable players !

 

[GoldenSeal]

Matthew Tkachuk was quoted :

“ Heart meets talent. Our team was a team. When things were getting hard for them , they looked to one guy. But our team we do it collectively, and thats why we are lifting the Stanley Cup right now because we’re a team and not a bunch of individuals”.

I believe this is a jab to the Oilers especially Mcdavid and Draisaitl because everyone talks about him like he is jesus reincarnated. Even the commentators not once talked about Florida and how great they were all we heard was Oilers making mistakes or dragging them back to Berta or what the Oilers can do differently and this and that. Florida literally dominated and set a record for most time ever led in Stanley Cup finals history and yet didn’t get praised once.

Paul Maurice also did say that Evan Rodriguez told him this is the first team he has been on that he can just be himself not have to try to be funnier, meaner or anything different to fit in just himself .

Does Mcdavid and Draisaitl think so highly of themselves that the dressing room has become a entitled prick zone where the boys are in their own heads ?

Congratulations Panthers and to their fans amazing and fun team to watch, lowkey remind me of the 2012 Kings with comparable players !

Yes.

It's a room that lacks the leader it needs and but has embraced a certain kind of mindset that makes the group really unlikeable.

 

[Ryan57]

Matthew Tkachuk was quoted :

“ Heart meets talent. Our team was a team. When things were getting hard for them , they looked to one guy. But our team we do it collectively, and thats why we are lifting the Stanley Cup right now because we’re a team and not a bunch of individuals”.

I believe this is a jab to the Oilers especially Mcdavid and Draisaitl because everyone talks about him like he is jesus reincarnated. Even the commentators not once talked about Florida and how great they were all we heard was Oilers making mistakes or dragging them back to Berta or what the Oilers can do differently and this and that. Florida literally dominated and set a record for most time ever led in Stanley Cup finals history and yet didn’t get praised once.

Paul Maurice also did say that Evan Rodriguez told him this is the first team he has been on that he can just be himself not have to try to be funnier, meaner or anything different to fit in just himself .

Does Mcdavid and Draisaitl think so highly of themselves that the dressing room has become a entitled prick zone where the boys are in their own heads ?

Congratulations Panthers and to their fans amazing and fun team to watch, lowkey remind me of the 2012 Kings with comparable players !

It's not that dressing room is an entitled prick zone or that the guys would be full of themselves. A power disparity in a group is a natural outcome even if you would behave normally.
It requires EXCEPTIONAL leadership skills from many guys in a team to deviate from these natural disparities. You need to actively act in a manner that tries to flatten the hierarchy. So in this case I suspect that McDrai haven't done anything wrong per se. They just haven't been exceptional with their leadership.

 

[Leafshater67]

Let’s remember that guys like Tkachuk and Bennett did absolutely nothing on Calgary. They were dominated by the Oilers. They both had to jump to a stacked team to win.l

Hockey is a team sport. You can’t shit on two players who were on a bad team when they were young for growing. They’re two major reasons Florida is stacked and without either of them, maybe they wouldn’t have any cups.

Winning a Conn Smythe is just as easy as jumping on a stacked team. Tkachuk and a Bennett are both massive contributors to that team. I get you hate the panthers, I do too but let’s be real here. Mcdrai are exceptions. Never before has a lottery team had so much success but it comes from 2 players. That’s totally unheard of for the most part.