Matthew Tkachuk from Elbo Room via Spittin Chiclets

[80shockeywasbuns]

If Mcdavid takes a vet minimum contract and signs with the Panthers and wins the cup next year it doesn't all of a sudden make him a better player and a winner.

I don’t know how many times my dumb ass Canadian friend has gone “oh ya Stanley Cup Champion eh” about some random ass player as if it means jack shit in terms of whether they’d be a good addition. So tired of it

 

[Kingsfan1]

I'm not understanding why you're putting this all on Draisaitl and McDavid as if they have turned the Oilers locker room into their own ego station

And how does Tkachuk even know how the Oilers operate? A guess on his part?

I'm going to guess you have a hate on for McDavid and Drsisaitl and saw a chance to grab something and use it as something to shit on them with.

I wouldn't even do this if it was about the Leafs and any of their players.

Some of y'all get to caught up in emotion.

Oh I definitely hate Mcdavid and Draisaitl but im not biased im as honest and straight forward as they come doesnt matter if they play for my favorite team or otherwise , I don’t watch through tainted goggles . Mcdavid is a literal phenomenon on the ice no denying it and Draisaitl is one of the best players in the world but they both didnt show up in the most important games and I believe Mcdavid has 1-2 points in the last 4 Stanley Cup final game 6 and 7.

Watching Draisaitl and Mcdavid my opinion you know the thing everyone is entitled too is that they do give off a little bit of a entitled prick vibe and thing highly of themselves.

I didnt post this to shet on them as players i posted a quote by Chucky who just won his second straight cup to debate and discuss hockey last i checked this was a hockey forum afterall

 

[Kingsfan1]

Yes.

It's a room that lacks the leader it needs and but has embraced a certain kind of mindset that makes the group really unlikeable.

Absolutely agree . Almost like they feel entitled and everyone else is supposed to not play them physically but let them have their way lol. Some have disagreed with my take here but im guessing they are hurt Oiler fans in disguise .

Draisaitl and Mcdavid and some of their players blamed officiating a few times but don’t realize missed calls go both ways and this is the finals you let them play and besides the 1 game where Oilers threw their tantrum like girls they had mkre PPs but Florida set a record for most time led in a Stanley Cup final series but yet lets blame it on everything besides Drai or Mcd coasting to players wide open in the slot or the d not helping Skinner at all. Cant stand the team nor most their fans . Some can have an honest conversation

 

[PistolPete]

Oh I definitely hate Mcdavid and Draisaitl but im not biased im as honest and straight forward as they come doesnt matter if they play for my favorite team or otherwise , I don’t watch through tainted goggles . Mcdavid is a literal phenomenon on the ice no denying it and Draisaitl is one of the best players in the world but they both didnt show up in the most important games and I believe Mcdavid has 1-2 points in the last 4 Stanley Cup final game 6 and 7.

Watching Draisaitl and Mcdavid my opinion you know the thing everyone is entitled too is that they do give off a little bit of a entitled prick vibe and thing highly of themselves.

I didnt post this to shet on them as players i posted a quote by Chucky who just won his second straight cup to debate and discuss hockey last i checked this was a hockey forum afterall

Yes, it is a hockey chat forum. And when I see someone make claims and use a statement by an outsider as to how the locker room functions, I'm going to point that out.

You say you're unbiased, ok. But I'm still calling your opinion out as wholly unsubstantiated

 

[pb1300]

Oh I definitely hate Mcdavid and Draisaitl but im not biased im as honest and straight forward as they come doesnt matter if they play for my favorite team or otherwise , I don’t watch through tainted goggles . Mcdavid is a literal phenomenon on the ice no denying it and Draisaitl is one of the best players in the world but they both didnt show up in the most important games and I believe Mcdavid has 1-2 points in the last 4 Stanley Cup final game 6 and 7.

Watching Draisaitl and Mcdavid my opinion you know the thing everyone is entitled too is that they do give off a little bit of a entitled prick vibe and thing highly of themselves.

I didnt post this to shet on them as players i posted a quote by Chucky who just won his second straight cup to debate and discuss hockey last i checked this was a hockey forum afterall

I didnt get that vibe until I found out about the changes they made throughout the organization, to satisfy Connor. To me he never came across like that. Maybe somewhat entitled, and I think most would be if we had his talent. Draisaitl is a different story to me. If the team caters to them different, from the rest of the team, it could create a sort of friction favoritism in the locker room, where maybe some players would not appreciate.

 

[hlrsr]

From the comments in this thread... did anybody even watch the Oilers in the first 3 rounds?

I'm a Canucks fan who desperately wanted the Oilers to lose, but agree with you here.

The Oilers went to back-to-back finals and absolutely steamrolled the West this year. Yes, they are a flawed team and were ultimately exposed, but up until Florida they were all dialed in even defensively and have showed they were more than a team relying on a McDrai PP.

As for Tkachuk's comments -- at this high level of competition part of winning is the internal belief that your team is better than the other team. Tkachuk is vocalizing that -- that his team was a true team, and that's what makes them better than the other team with the best player in the world.

And for the record, it looked to me like the Oilers lost the belief that they were better as the series went on.

IMO it's pretty obvious you can win with McDavid, even if he hasn't gone all the way at this point.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Holloway, Broberg, McLeod - a combined, what, 15 years of tenure in the organization? - moved out; Skinner, Arvidsson, Walman brought in.

Even beyond the obvious on-ice impact… you lose something when you ship out guys like that.

Also, while hes not my favourite guy, they missed Hyman immensely.

This is a team building issue, but mostly just a compliment to Viola, Zito, Maurice, Barkov, Ekblad, etc

 

[OldCraig71]

How come Barkov always stays quiet, and all of the rest of them do the yapping? There are no cups without him, but he just stays quiet and is one the best players in the league.

 

[RogerRoger]

How come Barkov always stays quiet, and all of the rest of them do the yapping? There are no cups without him, but he just stays quiet and is one the best players in the league.

He has always been like that. He's the best player, he's the captain, he's the leader. And he can just be who he is.

 

[PistolPete]

I didnt get that vibe until I found out about the changes they made throughout the organization, to satisfy Connor. To me he never came across like that. Maybe somewhat entitled, and I think most would be if we had his talent. Draisaitl is a different story to me. If the team caters to them different, from the rest of the team, it could create a sort of friction favoritism in the locker room, where maybe some players would not appreciate.

What changes were made to satisfy Connor?

 

[PistolPete]

How come Barkov always stays quiet, and all of the rest of them do the yapping? There are no cups without him, but he just stays quiet and is one the best players in the league.

Is it a bad thing to stay quiet?

 

[pb1300]

What changes were made to satisfy Connor?

The head of hockey operations is not McDavid's agent? His coach didnt previously coach him in juniors? Im not an expert at all about this, but arent these moves with 97 in mind?

 

[McShogun99]

How come Barkov always stays quiet, and all of the rest of them do the yapping? There are no cups without him, but he just stays quiet and is one the best players in the league.

He's just a legitimately good guy. Him, Bobrovsky and Reinhart are like the balance to Tkachuk, Bennett and Marchand, personality wise.

 

[PistolPete]

The head of hockey operations is not McDavid's agent? His coach didnt previously coach him in juniors? Im not an expert at all about this, but arent these moves with 97 in mind?

Is that necessarily at his request?

On his recommendation?

The team thinking long term re: his contract?

The team making those decisions without informing or asking him?

It was 7 years between Erie and Edmonton for Knoblauch; there were 4 different coaches BEFORE Knoblauchb arrived and who- offhand- have no prior association with McDavid.

Perhaps you're just wanting to find things to nail him with?

I like McDavid but I won't put anything past any person much less a superstar; but perhaps form judgements on a little more solid information rather than assumptions?

 

[OldCraig71]

Is it a bad thing to stay quiet?

No, and that was point. He is the straw that stirs the drink.

 

[NVious]

His hip adductor was disconnected from the bone since 4 Nations...and still put up 23pts in 23games.

What a space cadet take.

On a stacked team, why didn't he lead Calgary to anything?

 

[pb1300]

Is that necessarily at his request?

On his recommendation?

The team thinking long term re: his contract?

The team making those decisions without informing or asking him?

It was 7 years between Erie and Edmonton for Knoblauch; there were 4 different coaches BEFORE Knoblauchb arrived and who- offhand- have no prior association with McDavid.

Perhaps you're just wanting to find things to nail him with?

I like McDavid but I won't put anything past any person much less a superstar; but perhaps form judgements on a little more solid information rather than assumptions?

His agent is literally the head of hockey operations, and his former coach is his current coach. Of course they are making these decisions with his input, with him being in Edmonton long term, on their mind. I would exepct most organizations to do things that their superstar player prefers, or at least take them into serious consideration. None of that means I am trying to "nail" anything to him, or staple him as a certain person.

 

[PistolPete]

His agent is literally the head of hockey operations, and his former coach is his current coach. Of course they are making these decisions with his input, with him being in Edmonton long term, on their mind. I would exepct most organizations to do things that their superstar player prefers, or at least take them into serious consideration. None of that means I am trying to "nail" anything to him, or staple him as a certain person.

Reasonable guess but still just an assumption nonetheless.

I was interpreting your post in light of another poster so it was an unfair characterization on my part. Sorry 'bout that!

 

[Ray Mercer]

Hockey is a team sport. You can’t shit on two players who were on a bad team when they were young for growing. They’re two major reasons Florida is stacked and without either of them, maybe they wouldn’t have any cups.

Winning a Conn Smythe is just as easy as jumping on a stacked team. Tkachuk and a Bennett are both massive contributors to that team. I get you hate the panthers, I do too but let’s be real here. Mcdrai are exceptions. Never before has a lottery team had so much success but it comes from 2 players. That’s totally unheard of for the most part.

Tkachuk easily could have stuck with Calgary and tried to make them a winner. Instead he saw that Florida was a better team with less pressure and took the easy road. You don't expect a superstar player to jump ship in the prime of their career. Generally a superstar doesn't do that until they're way past their best and trying to win at the end of their career. Again if Mcdavid pulled a Kevin Durant I don't think he would gain any respect from true hockey fans.

 

[PistolPete]

Tkachuk easily could have stuck with Calgary and tried to make them a winner. Instead he saw that Florida was a better team with less pressure and took the easy road. You don't expect a superstar player to jump ship in the prime of their career. Generally a superstar doesn't do that until they're way past their best and trying to win at the end of their career. Again if Mcdavid pulled a Kevin Durant I don't think he would gain any respect from true hockey fans.

Wasn't it because of Sutter he wanted out of Calgary?

 

[StrangeVision]

His hip adductor was disconnected from the bone since 4 Nations...and still put up 23pts in 23games.

What a space cadet take.

We don't even need to mention injuries, the dude put up 23 points in 23 playoff games, that doesn't need any excuses. Anyone talking shit about Tkachuk is just desperately searching for copium.

 

[PistolPete]

His hip adductor was disconnected from the bone since 4 Nations...and still put up 23pts in 23games.

What a space cadet take.

Damn. That had to hurt!

But....

Braàaaaaaaaaady's better

Not surprised he played. Dude is a fighter

 

[Ratsreign]

Tkachuk easily could have stuck with Calgary and tried to make them a winner. Instead he saw that Florida was a better team with less pressure and took the easy road. You don't expect a superstar player to jump ship in the prime of their career. Generally a superstar doesn't do that until they're way past their best and trying to win at the end of their career. Again if Mcdavid pulled a Kevin Durant I don't think he would gain any respect from true hockey fans.

Are you gonna try to take a shot at Gaudreau for leaving Calgary next?

 

[bert]

The Oilers just are a poorly constructed team. They win from PP opportunities and having 2 top 5 players in the league. when they face a team who not only isn't intimidated, but wants to get after McDavid and Drai, you see that the rest of their team just isn't well equipped to win.

Oiler's best players outside of their big 2 were a billion year old Corey Perry, and Podkolzin, who was a bust of a pick before his hustle came through a bit during the series.

That's a major issue

A poorly constructed team that cut through the west like a hot knife through butter. Whats that say about that conference?

The Culture in the Edmonton Oilers organization is broken and people like Kane don't help.

Broken? They are quite clearly the 2nd best team in the league. what on earth are you talking about. I am a sens fan before people start coming at me saying I am a homer.

 

[bert]

Are you gonna try to take a shot at Gaudreau for leaving Calgary next?

Does it change anything that he also took the easy way out that he tragically has passed? Atleast Tkachuk wanted to go to a contender. I am sorry if anyone is offended by this but thats what happened. He felt it was the best fit for his family and thats ok too we are not in his shoes its his call. But what you are trying to do here seems like you are leveraging a terrible tragic and sad situation for your own personal benefit.