Value of: Matthew Knies long term deal in Toronto

[seanlinden]

Objectively... he can't really ask for more than Guenther, Jarvis or Lafreniere got on 8 (7) year deals.... when 5 of those years will still be "RFA" years.

Based on that, and knowing that he's probably going to take Matthews' advice in not doing an 8 year deal, I see 2 reasonable approaches here.

One is to do a 6 year deal at something like $6.5m. Gives the Leafs a solid window to win... only buys 1 ufa year, and gives knies some reasonable job security. He'd be paid a little less than some of those marquee stars who are viewed as more primary catalysts.

Alternative 2 would be a 4 year deal... maybe in the neighborhood of $5 to $5.5m. It's more than a typical bridge, but also more years, while still maintaining RFA status.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

One singular Leaf fan said something I disagree with so we might as well have 5 people derail a thread with endless bullshit about one persons opinion lmao

 

[mphmiles]

A talented young player on an upward trajectory isn't taking a 5x5 or 6 like I've seen in here. It's the best of no worlds on a contract for a player in his situation. (Assuming he scores 30 or so goals this year like it looks like he will)

He'll either take a bridge and bet on himself to make a lot more in a couple years, or they'll give him close to max term at a higher AAV and take the most security.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No idea. Are you pretending that Leafs fans think Knies is the best power forward in the game? Or that you think Knies is the best Power Forward on the game?

Did you read the thread, check out your buddy virus

One singular Leaf fan said something I disagree with so we might as well have 5 people derail a thread with endless bullshit about one persons opinion lmao

Then you should have jumped on virus, instead of the posters telling him he’s wrong. Lol

 

[Golden_Jet]

One singular Leaf fan said something I disagree with so we might as well have 5 people derail a thread with endless bullshit about one persons opinion lmao

Then you should have jumped on virus, nothing wrong with posters telling him he’s wrong. Lol

 

[elmaco]

One singular Leaf fan said something I disagree with so we might as well have 5 people derail a thread with endless bullshit about one persons opinion lmao

How is it derailing the thread when they are talking about the subject of the thread?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

How is it derailing the thread when they are talking about the subject of the thread?

I didn’t realize this thread was about whether Knies is the best power forward in hockey or not lol

Then you should have jumped on virus, nothing wrong with posters telling him he’s wrong. Lol

I don’t particularly care it’s just one other persons opinion lmao

 

[elmaco]

I didn’t realize this thread was about whether Knies is the best power forward in hockey or not lol


I don’t particularly care it’s just one other persons opinion lmao

It's not, it's about his next contract. If he's the next best power forward in the league it will reflect on his contract, thus making it relevant.

 

[FerrisRox]

Kid is playing top 6 minutes and brings an element Leafs offense has been lacking for a long time.

He has all the chips on his side for his future contract.

What is the fair value for a long term deal? Not talking about a bridge here.

Guenther's 7.14 M * 8 years is the obvious comparable IMO.

What do you guys think?

I don't think Knies is nearly as good as Guenther and the Maple Leafs would be insane to use that contact as a comparable.

Guenther is a much more productive player and he's not playing with $11 million forwards, either.

It is clearly way underpaid IMO.

Mercer signed 4 x 3y after a bad season.

Knies is firing on all cylinders and is playing on the top line and top PP.

Maybe 2 x 4 as bridge... 5 x 5 would be a ridiculously team friendly deal.

Firing on all cylinders?! What are you talking about? The guy is playing with the reigning Rocket Richard trophy winner and has one assist this year.

He's playing on the top line and producing at a .5 point per game pace and you want to give him $7 million a season on a long term deal?

This is insanity. 5x5 seems way more realistic for what Matthew Knies is actually doing on the ice.

 

[FerrisRox]

Cool bro. As i said, you are welcome to your opinion.

He also appears to be welcome to his own facts.

Slafkovsky has been playing with a nagging injury, is on the second line, and is one point off a point a game, but apparently his production is "the same" as Matthew Knies who is playing on the first line with two $11 million line mates and has .5 points a game.

In what world is this "the same?"

 

[dirtydanglez]

2 years at $3.75m or 6 years at $6m

 

[FerrisRox]

Answer the question please

"So where do you think Knies ends up when he is done developing then? "

I get that this is sort of "your thing" where your the big Leaf homer guy, but... at some point it just seems like it's a satire and not real.

I mean, just off the top of my head, you're saying Knies is going to be a better power forward than J.T. Miller? Better than both of the Tkachuk's? Better than Tage Thompson? He's gonna be better than Quinton Byfield? Gabriel Landeskog? Matt Boldy? He's going to be better than Juraj Slafkovsky? Zach Hyman? Timo Meir? He's gonna be better than Chris Kreider?

I mean, he would have to improve dramatically, in almost every aspect of his game, to do that.

This is just silly.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I get that this is sort of "your thing" where your the big Leaf homer guy, but... at some point it just seems like it's a satire and not real.

I mean, just off the top of my head, you're saying Knies is going to be a better power forward than J.T. Miller? Better than both of the Tkachuk's? Better than Tage Thompson? He's gonna be better than Quinton Byfield? Gabriel Landeskog? Matt Boldy? He's going to be better than Juraj Slafkovsky? Zach Hyman? Timo Meir? He's gonna be better than Chris Kreider?

I mean, he would have to improve dramatically, in almost every aspect of his game to do that.

This is just silly.

More than half of the guys you listed will be in old folks home in 4-5 years so yeah he will be better than them. Some of those guys you listed don't play nearly as heavy as Knies does either even if they might outscore him a bit. Tage Thompson is also laughable to be listed as a power forward....

In the next generation of power forwards, I think Knies will be among the top if not the best.

 

[StuckOutHere]

It's basically the Boldy deal at this point.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Some Woll Stan said he was more clutch than Brady, guy must deserve a huge a contract considering nobody else on the team is clutch

 

[Sting]

Based on Leaf assessments of the player, probably 8 x 8 is fair? Should fit into their cap structure nicely...

 

[Peasy]

To get him on a long term deal leafs would have to over pay by a decent amount. he'll end up getting a bridge and then a big deal after that.

5x5 or 6x6 are pretty fair, but i dont think knies would sign either. He would take like a 4m x 3 and then try and cash in big after that.

 

[Baksfamous112]

It's basically the Boldy deal at this point.

Yes, please give him that!

Signed: The entire league

 

[elmaco]

More than half of the guys you listed will be in old folks home in 4-5 years so yeah he will be better than them. Some of those guys you listed don't play nearly as heavy as Knies does either even if they might outscore him a bit. Tage Thompson is also laughable to be listed as a power forward....

In the next generation of power forwards, I think Knies will be among the top if not the best.

I'm picking Laf and Slaf over Knies every day of the week.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I'm picking Laf and Slaf over Knies every day of the week.

Big does not equal power forward

 

[elmaco]

Big does not equal power forward

I didn't even consider size. Laf is straight up a better player and Slaf is on a better trajectory, while being younger.

 

[MNRube]

He’s more Perfetti / Mercer quality than he is Guenther / Jarvis. I’m a huge Gopher fan and love his game but he’s a 2nd liner in a nutshell.

 

[FerrisRox]

Big does not equal power forward

Wait - are you saying Slafkovsky isn't a powerforward?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Wait - are you saying Slafkovsky isn't a powerforward?

Only poster that thinks Knies is the best power forward, later moved goalposts to 4-5 years will be the top power forward.

I’m not seeing either of those happening.
You were right earlier calling it satire.

 

[TS Quint]

To get him on a long term deal leafs would have to over pay by a decent amount. he'll end up getting a bridge and then a big deal after that.

5x5 or 6x6 are pretty fair, but i dont think knies would sign either. He would take like a 4m x 3 and then try and cash in big after that.

Good luck to him. I think he would be making a huge mistake to turn down $30m.