Confirmed with Link: Matteau to MTL for Devante Smith-Pelly

[Devils Dominion]

Great start for DSP but, it's only 1 game.

I still think we fleeced MTL but I want DSP to prove it over a longer body of work.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Some of you are pretty funny. How many times was Matteau gifted 18+ minutes of ice time on the top line like Smith-Pelly was?

I don't care about trading Matteau, but let's cool the jets on Smith-Pelly.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Some of you are pretty funny. How many times was Matteau gifted 18+ minutes of ice time on the top line like Smith-Pelly was?

I don't care about trading Matteau, but let's cool the jets on Smith-Pelly.

Agree, but it's clear that DSP is a better hockey player.

I'm not sure how much better at this time, but Ray def upgraded the lineup in this deal.

 

[Whaddagoal]

Some of you are pretty funny. How many times was Matteau gifted 18+ minutes of ice time on the top line like Smith-Pelly was?

I don't care about trading Matteau, but let's cool the jets on Smith-Pelly.

I wouldn't call it "a gift".

If you haven't proven that you can play and produce with less minutes, why should we have expected any equivalence of fairness of Matteau? Stefan got some time and didn't show much from it. As an example, Kalinin early this season started a bunch of games churning out under 10 minute TOI games on the 4th line before Hynes moved him up.

DSP has proven some NHL skill/success as compared to Matteau (currently). I don't think anyone is saying DSP is going to put up some obscene numbers but I think its pretty reasonable for fans to be happy that he's an instant upgrade over what we saw in Stefan.

 

[Missionhockey]

Agree, but it's clear that DSP is a better hockey player.

I'm not sure how much better at this time, but Ray def upgraded the lineup in this deal.

I don't think you can make definitive conclusions from one game. But part of the reason he's being given this opportunity is because the Devils are thin on the right side and DSP is a RW. They've tried to shoehorn Matteau in there earlier in the season but it didn't work out and on LW, Boucher and Blandisi passed him on the depth chart.

 

[NJDevils17]

I thought DSP looked pretty good last night. He's not a first line player or anything but I like his game and he has the same number of points Matteau does in the last 2 years so there's that.

I was a fan of the trade when it happened so I'm not surprised he played well but it was only one game and who knows what will happen from now on.

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

DSP was given more of an opportunity than Matteau got under Hynes, but he also produced last night. Obviously, I don't think you can expect that kind of production from him every night, but if he can chip in a bit offensively and play a gritty style.

Personally, I think this trade at worst is a lateral move with Matteau and DSP being about equal if they reach full potential at the NHL, and at best, it could be a bit of a steal with DSP having some untapped NHL potential that could come out with the opportunity in NJ.

 

[JimEIV]

DSP was given more of an opportunity than Matteau got under Hynes, but he also produced last night. Obviously, I don't think you can expect that kind of production from him every night, but if he can chip in a bit offensively and play a gritty style.

Personally, I think this trade at worst is a lateral move with Matteau and DSP being about equal if they reach full potential at the NHL, and at best, it could be a bit of a steal with DSP having some untapped NHL potential that could come out with the opportunity in NJ.

The highest amount of minutes Matteau got this season was 14:51...With that he scored a goal. That was on December 4th, 20015

After that he got almost no time and was scratched for large chunks...Matteau was

12/6/2015 11:14
12/13/2015 11:25
12/29/2015 9:53
12/30/2015 11:05
1/2/2016 8:43
1/4/2016 11:50

With this, Matteau still generated more shots per 60 than any other bottom 6 player on the team this season.

He was sandbagged and never given a fair opportunity. He may never amount to anything, but he was never given a fair shake by this staff.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I don't think you can make definitive conclusions from one game. But part of the reason he's being given this opportunity is because the Devils are thin on the right side and DSP is a RW. They've tried to shoehorn Matteau in there earlier in the season but it didn't work out and on LW, Boucher and Blandisi passed him on the depth chart.

Not concluded after 1 game.

I've seen DSP play in Anaheim and in MTL.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

The highest amount of minutes Matteau got this season was 14:51...With that he scored a goal. That was on December 4th, 20015

After that he got almost no time and was scratched for large chunks...Matteau was

12/6/2015 11:14
12/13/2015 11:25
12/29/2015 9:53
12/30/2015 11:05
1/2/2016 8:43
1/4/2016 11:50

With this, Matteau still generated more shots per 60 than any other bottom 6 player on the team this season.

He was sandbagged and never given a fair opportunity. He may never amount to anything, but he was never given a fair shake by this staff.

If he wasn't a first round pick, you wouldn't say that. He didn't produce well at any level and he was undisciplined. He didn't deserve to be playing.

 

[NJDevs26]

We'll find out in the coming years if Matteau was sandbagged or if they were in fact correct in not believing he had any real upside. I suspect it's the latter because Matteau was just a guy in the AHL the last two years, nothing impressive about his production there.

Either way it's not as if no first rounder in the history of the NHL got less time than Matteau.

 

[JimEIV]

If he wasn't a first round pick, you wouldn't say that. He didn't produce well at any level and he was undisciplined. He didn't deserve to be playing.

Not true at all...

Severson a 2nd round pick has been sandbagged as well, just a different level. His underlying numbers are better than most of our defensemen yet he has been scratched what? 7 or 8 times now?

Early in the year I was saying this about a 4th round pick Boucher, this season after his first 3 games where he was given no opportunity while the team played like **** he still couldn't get much from this staff who essentially chose O'Neill over him....Tell me with a straight face that aint a freakin joke?


He was sent down for no reason.

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

The highest amount of minutes Matteau got this season was 14:51...With that he scored a goal. That was on December 4th, 20015

After that he got almost no time and was scratched for large chunks...Matteau was

12/6/2015 11:14
12/13/2015 11:25
12/29/2015 9:53
12/30/2015 11:05
1/2/2016 8:43
1/4/2016 11:50

With this, Matteau still generated more shots per 60 than any other bottom 6 player on the team this season.

He was sandbagged and never given a fair opportunity. He may never amount to anything, but he was never given a fair shake by this staff.

My point wasn't to make a negative comment about Matteau (to indicate that he wouldn't produce if given a chance) but so much just to say that it was good that DSP produced when given a chance since there have been those on this team that have been given ice time and haven't produced (not going to name anyone, since I think we know who they are). DSP might not have gotten as much ice time as he did if it wasn't clear that he was on a bit of a hot streak tonight. Who knows? We'll have to see his production and ice time over a much longer period to gain an idea about exactly how Hynes will use him on a nightly basis. After one game, it's hard to say anything for sure.

I've said in the past that I wish Matteau got more chances under this coaching staff, and I did remember making posts about how Matteau wasn't rewarded with more ice time or playing opportunities when he showed improvement like with that goal or taking less bad penalties. In my opinion, it was as if the coaching staff based on a rough first couple of games where Matteau took a lot of bad penalties decided they had no use for him and exiled him to the press box. I called for either giving Matteau more opportunities to develop or for trading him because it did no good to have a player (and an asset) just sitting there in the press box, gaining no experience or value.

The latter has happened now. Matteau has been traded for someone that the coaching staff seems more willing to give an opportunity to develop, for whatever reason. Hopefully, DSP's development goes well, since he's a Devils asset now.

Matteau has gotten a fresh chance with a new organization. At this point, I see no point in degrading him as others continue to do. He's not a part of this team anymore. I'm ready to move on from him.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Does it really matter if Matteau wasn't given the opportunities DSP got last night? Because it's quite clear Matteau was never going to be given that opportunity during his time here anyway. Maybe that's not fair to Matteau but it's the way it is and we got a player that can fill a similar role for us that can step in immediately.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

DSP got 40% of Matteau's career point total last night, in his first game with a new team

think about that for a second.

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

Does it really matter if Matteau wasn't given the opportunities DSP got last night? Because it's quite clear Matteau was never going to be given that opportunity during his time here anyway. Maybe that's not fair to Matteau but it's the way it is and we got a player that can fill a similar role for us that can step in immediately.

That's essentially what it boils down to for me.

 

[Devils Dominion]

We'll find out in the coming years if Matteau was sandbagged or if they were in fact correct in not believing he had any real upside. I suspect it's the latter because Matteau was just a guy in the AHL the last two years, nothing impressive about his production there.

Either way it's not as if no first rounder in the history of the NHL got less time than Matteau.

Stef has earned red flags at every level of hockey including getting booted off of a QMJHL team.

I'll be shocked, if he has a successful NHL career.

 

[JimEIV]

We'll find out in the coming years if Matteau was sandbagged or if they were in fact correct in not believing he had any real upside.

Not the point at all..

We all knew Tedenby had no future (most of us did anyway), yet he was given opportunity after opportunity by multiple staffs and I never saw a dumber player...Well maybe Gelinas was as dumb...But regardless it would be nice if a player failed on his own merits and not a coaching decision...

Matteau played 44 NHL games over 3 years, that is not opportunity.

 

[JimEIV]

Stef has earned red flags at every level of hockey including getting booted off of a QMJHL team.

I'll be shocked, if he has a successful NHL career.

What were his red flags while in the Devils organization, either AHL or NHL?

 

[britdevil]

Never liked the pick, never liked the player. We won this, hands down.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Not true at all...

Severson a 2nd round pick has been sandbagged as well, just a different level. His underlying numbers are better than most of our defensemen yet he has been scratched what? 7 or 8 times now?

Early in the year I was saying this about a 4th round pick Boucher, this season after his first 3 games where he was given no opportunity while the team played like **** he still couldn't get much from this staff who essentially chose O'Neill over him....Tell me with a straight face that aint a freakin joke?


He was sent down for no reason.

Severson is like the exact opposite of Matteau's case. He earned his way onto the team with his hot start and has played okay in his time here for the most part. He's been bad lately and Hynes has benched him a few times precisely because he knows how good he can be. He'll be back in the lineup in no time.

I agree with you, I think looking back Boucher should've been given more of an opportunity in the beginning of the year...But again, his case is very different than Matteau's. He produced at an incredible level in juniors, did really well in the AHL, and effectively earned the right to play on this team. None of that is true in Matteau's case.

There's nothing other than Matteau's draft status that would cause anyone to say he deserved a shot on this team. The other guys you mentioned actually had numbers and flashed skill that showed they should at least get a shot to play on the big club. Matteau didn't.

 

[JimEIV]

Severson is like the exact opposite of Matteau's case. He earned his way onto the team with his hot start and has played okay in his time here for the most part. He's been bad lately and Hynes has benched him a few times precisely because he knows how good he can be. He'll be back in the lineup in no time.

I agree with you, I think looking back Boucher should've been given more of an opportunity in the beginning of the year...But again, his case is very different than Matteau's. He produced at an incredible level in juniors, did really well in the AHL, and effectively earned the right to play on this team. None of that is true in Matteau's case.

There's nothing other than Matteau's draft status that would cause anyone to say he deserved a shot on this team. The other guys you mentioned actually had numbers and flashed skill that showed they should at least get a shot to play on the big club. Matteau didn't.

Like Tedenby?


Which player is which?

AHL: 126 28 38 66
AHL: 129 25 28 53

Both 1st rounders...One got 120 NHL games before cut loose the other 44 -- 20 games under this staff

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I enjoy how this argument never applied to Larsson (for the people arguing that Matteau never got a shot)

 

[NJDevs26]

I enjoy how this argument never applied to Larsson (for the people arguing that Matteau never got a shot)

Larsson played more games in his first season than Matteau did in three years though, not a great comp.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

DSP got 40% of Matteau's career point total last night, in his first game with a new team

think about that for a second.

Yeah. Nine minutes or 90 seconds, Matteau showed almost nothing when he was on the ice. Not like he was blowing the doors off the American league either.