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Player Discussion Matt Murray (G) - 4 years, $6.25M AAV

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This signing reminds me a lot of Pascal LeClair and Martin Gerber's signings over 10 years ago. Average goalies signed to average contracts. Maybe they will beat expectations or maybe the contract will seem like an anchor in 3 years time. We won't know until we are there.

Having said that I understand the need for a backloaded contract given that it will likely team 2 to 3 years for league wide revenues to recover.
 
ColinM said:
This signing reminds me a lot of Pascal LeClair and Martin Gerber's signings over 10 years ago. Average goalies signed to average contracts. Maybe they will beat expectations or maybe the contract will seem like an anchor in 3 years time. We won't know until we are there.

Having said that I understand the need for a backloaded contract given that it will likely team 2 to 3 years for league wide revenues to recover.
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I think those contracts you just mentioned play heavily into my psychology of not liking this deal. Outside of Anderson we've never done well with goalies on multi-year contracts. I want Murray for 2 years ideally. Three would've been my limit. I don't have any problem with the aav, let him get paid, but I don't like the term. Or, as an alternative, keep the pick, keep the prospect, and play the FA market. I could be wrong, but I still believe that in 2 or 3 years we'll be dealing with a situation where Daccord/Hogberg/Gustavsson is outplaying Murray and here we are stuck with $8mil in real money that someone wants us to trade a 1st round pick to take on the cap hit. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Hutz said:
I think those contracts you just mentioned play heavily into my psychology of not liking this deal. Outside of Anderson we've never done well with goalies on multi-year contracts. I want Murray for 2 years ideally. Three would've been my limit. I don't have any problem with the aav, let him get paid, but I don't like the term. Or, as an alternative, keep the pick, keep the prospect, and play the FA market. I could be wrong, but I still believe that in 2 or 3 years we'll be dealing with a situation where Daccord/Hogberg/Gustavsson is outplaying Murray and here we are stuck with $8mil in real money that someone wants us to trade a 1st round pick to take on the cap hit. I hope I'm wrong.
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The buyout on that last year is only 2 years of 2.6 with a cap hit of 900,000 and 2.6 so it’s not too bad on that front
 
Hutz said:
I think those contracts you just mentioned play heavily into my psychology of not liking this deal. Outside of Anderson we've never done well with goalies on multi-year contracts. I want Murray for 2 years ideally. Three would've been my limit. I don't have any problem with the aav, let him get paid, but I don't like the term. Or, as an alternative, keep the pick, keep the prospect, and play the FA market. I could be wrong, but I still believe that in 2 or 3 years we'll be dealing with a situation where Daccord/Hogberg/Gustavsson is outplaying Murray and here we are stuck with $8mil in real money that someone wants us to trade a 1st round pick to take on the cap hit. I hope I'm wrong.
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True, this franchise doesn't have the greatest track record of signing goalies and part of me hoped one of the prospects would pan out. I think that's part of the reason I would have hoped for a 2 year deal, although I understand why Matt Murray wouldn't sign such a contract.
 
ColinM said:
This signing reminds me a lot of Pascal LeClair and Martin Gerber's signings over 10 years ago. Average goalies signed to average contracts. Maybe they will beat expectations or maybe the contract will seem like an anchor in 3 years time. We won't know until we are there.

Having said that I understand the need for a backloaded contract given that it will likely team 2 to 3 years for league wide revenues to recover.
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Neither of those guys were the Stanley Cup winning starters though.
 
ColinM said:
This signing reminds me a lot of Pascal LeClair and Martin Gerber's signings over 10 years ago. Average goalies signed to average contracts. Maybe they will beat expectations or maybe the contract will seem like an anchor in 3 years time. We won't know until we are there.

Having said that I understand the need for a backloaded contract given that it will likely team 2 to 3 years for league wide revenues to recover.
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Matt Murray has a way higher pedigree coming in than Leclaire and Gerber though. Gerber had one good year, Leclaire had the draft pedigree, good numbers in the minors but only really one good NHL season and lots of injuries. Murray's got his first 2 years in the league that were great (CUPS), the great minor league numbers then 2/3 poor years after, one of which was this past one with injury issues. He's not a sure thing but he's about as close to it as you're gonna find for the price we paid. The bad was the outlier and he's young enough that we don't need to worry much about age related regression during this 4 year contract.

This comes with risk, but I think its well worth it. Having some stability in goal while we have loads of young guys trying to find their way as pros will be invaluable. Plus, we add a guy who will have credibility in the locker room. I like that we have a bunch of credible young leaders on the team like Tkachuk, Murray and Gudbranson.
 
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I just don't understand why a poor and rebuilding team would spend so much capital on a position that you dont really need to spend so much on. Tons of Nilsson like deals out there.

Especially when it's not like they are trying to win. Bizarre
 
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I just don't understand why a poor team would spend so much capital on a position that you don't need to be elite.

Especially when it's not like they are trying to win. Bizarre
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It's a 4 year contract, by year three Chabot is 26, Tkachuk 24, Batherson 25, Norris 24, Brannstrom 24, JBD 23, Stuetzle and Sanderson 21,

The reality is it's not every year a top tier goalie becomes available, and you can lock them up, and there's value in having a solid goalie covering up for rookie mistakes, confidence is important for the kids.

Once the deal is done, Murray is still only 30, still lots of good years left if we want to re-sign him.

And lastly, we have to reach the floor while we introduce a tone of guys on their ELC. When guys like Anisimov and Gudbranson get cycled out for prospects, we need still need to reach the floor.
 
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HzH said:
I just don't understand why a poor and rebuilding team would spend so much capital on a position that you dont really need to spend so much on. Tons of Nilsson like deals out there.

Especially when it's not like they are trying to win. Bizarre
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Consider Ottawa has invested a bunch of draft capital recently in D. Thomson, Bernard-Docker, Sanderson are all 1st rounders some lesser 2nds in there too., traded for Brannstrom. You might not need elite goaltending to win championships once you've assembled a great roster but Ottawa is far from that. They need someone back there so they aren't blown out of the rink on regular basis while these guys develop. At least that's how I'm looking at it.
 
Dang, BIG gamble by the Sens. This could either blow up in their faces or work out magically. No in-between.
 
Yikes.....I wouldn't pay that much for a goalie in today's NHL.

Hell, you could wave a magic wand and put a 25 year old Patrick Roy in a Sens jersey, and I would balk at a $6 mil average.



Goalies are voodoo.
 
Micklebot said:
It's a 4 year contract, by year three Chabot is 26, Tkachuk 24, Batherson 25, Norris 24, Brannstrom 24, JBD 23, Stuetzle and Sanderson 21,

The reality is it's not every year a top tier goalie becomes available, and you can lock them up, and there's value in having a solid goalie covering up for rookie mistakes, confidence is important for the kids.

Once the deal is done, Murray is still only 30, still lots of good years left if we want to re-sign him.

And lastly, we have to reach the floor while we introduce a tone of guys on their ELC. When guys like Anisimov and Gudbranson get cycled out for prospects, we need still need to reach the floor.
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All valid points

I'd add to that that it gives the team a bit of swagger. We didn't go dumpster diving for a goalie. We've got 4 years of a 2 time cup winner locked up...and in his prime

What do you think that says to say Keith Tkachuk? Everyone seems to feel that Keith has big influence

We have a signed core coming together

If you're Brady Tkachuk, the situation here is profoundly more optimistic than it was last March.
 
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JD1 said:
All valid points

I'd add to that that it gives the team a bit of swagger. We didn't go dumpster diving for a goalie. We've got 4 years of a 2 time cup winner locked up...and in his prime

What do you think that says to say Keith Tkachuk? Everyone seems to feel that Keith has big influence

We have a signed core coming together

If you're Brady Tkachuk, the situation here is profoundly more optimistic than it was last March.
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Yeah, i can be critical of Dorion's decisions but this one is pretty easy to like imo.

There is some risk but the potential reward is huge.
 
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Bizarro World - Sens fans love giving Colin White $4.75 but giving Matt Murray$1.5 more @ $6.25 scares the crap out of them.
 
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Bizarro World - Sens fans love giving Colin White $4.75 but giving Matt Murray$1.5 more @ $6.25 scares the crap out of them.
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White was coming of a succesful season as a rookie, Murray is coming off one of the worst seasons of any starter and has injury concerns. Also, a pandemic has flipped the market and created a lot less of a bull market.

It's not bizarre, it's pretty logical. Nobody would be happy to give White his current contract if he were re-signing today, the context has changed.
 
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Micklebot said:
White was coming of a succesful season as a rookie, Murray is coming off one of the worst seasons of any starter and has injury concerns. Also, a pandemic has flipped the market and created a lot less of a bull market.

It's not bizarre, it's pretty logical. Nobody would be happy to give White his current contract if he were re-signing today, the context has changed.
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Not really - it’s just bad hockey eval. Krug , Anderson etc and co are proving things haven't changed as much as some may want people to believe.

The fan view of White has changed over the past 14 months as his effectiveness has been full exposed . He was signed in similar context as JA as a top 6 forward.

Murray is going to get the same % of his HRR that White will having signed under a flat cap.
 
We overpaid for sure. But it's the most important position on the ice, so okay. We will need elite goaltending if we want to compete with a lower budget.

Please don't suck, we can't afford any bad contracts.
 
Sweatred said:
Not really - it’s just bad hockey eval. Krug , Anderson etc and co are proving things haven't changed as much as some may want people to believe.

The fan view of White has changed over the past 14 months as his effectiveness has been full exposed . He was signed in similar context as JA as a top 6 forward.
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We shall see. Lets not derail another thread into White discussion though.

I'd be pissed if we signed Josh Anderson to that contract, it's very risky too. Hope for Anderson it turns out well as i like the player but hope for Mtl that it bites them in the ass because screw mtl.

Anyways, i like the Murray signing, but the nervous reactions are simply are reflection of the percieved risk. Its not hard to understand.
 
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Micklebot said:
White was coming of a succesful season as a rookie, Murray is coming off one of the worst seasons of any starter and has injury concerns. Also, a pandemic has flipped the market and created a lot less of a bull market.

It's not bizarre, it's pretty logical. Nobody would be happy to give White his current contract if he were re-signing today, the context has changed.
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White was overpaid from day 1. It was obvious. This Murray deal is fantastic.
 
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