Pierre from Orleans
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Genuine optimism from me. Future seems to be looking good.
No real complaints since the draft.
No real complaints since the draft.
Player Discussion Matt Murray (G) - 4 years, $6.25M AAV
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OttawaSenators11
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Rather pay good players like Matt Murray this type of money instead of paying a scrub like Gudbranson.
Not the greatest deal but it's kinda cool having Matt Murray as our starting goalie.
Not the greatest deal but it's kinda cool having Matt Murray as our starting goalie.
JaredCowen4Norris
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I think it's more of an optics thing rather then anything. I had my buddy asking me whether I felt the Josh Anderson extension was an overpayment by Montreal. Realistically I wouldn't have wanted to pay him that much but when you trade for a guy your hand is forced. As far as goalies go I think $6.5 mil is reasonable for a guy you're hoping to have be your starter. I don't think a goalie shuold ever be getting $7.5 mil+ because there are so many other variables that decide how good a goalie is. Murray has shown he's capable of being a high-end but he also just had a very rough season for many reasons (I personally think the change of scenery will help). If he can rebound and even become average I think the money isn't crazy. I feel you on the cheapness but this contract isn't too bad right now. If two years down the line we have to trade a good, young player because we're using the money on Murray then I'm not happy.
The only thing I like about Gudbranson is that he is really tough,and he can be traded at the TDL easily to likely better our 5th we gave up for him lol
Murray might very well play 60 games for us and call it a career while going on LTIR.
JaredCowen4Norris
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First time I've felt somewhat optimistic about our goaltending in awhile. I'll take the little wins.
The forwards need help too....Craig Smith is a nice hard working player and all,but we have enough middle/bottom 6 guys...We need legit top 6 help
Don't we have outstanding goaltending coaching in Ottawa? Feels like a good fit when you get someone with Murray's pedigree and skill level.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Stuetzle, Batherson, Norris/L.Brown.
That's our top 6 help. The expectation for each of those guys next year should be 45+ points.
Yeah thats a big ask for kids that havent even had a cup of coffee combined in the NHL.....There is a forward in LV that would have helped big time lol
FormentonTheFuture
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I feel like people are underrating what the Belleville sens did last year
Philadelphia Collins
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"Hall, Eberle, and Magnus Pajaarvi are our top 6 help. The expectation for each of those guys next year should be 45+ points" - the oilers in 2010
Pretty much this,there is no support for them...We really need a player that can help them,but they are also the hardest and most expensive to find
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Batherson is 22. Brown is 22. Norris 21. Stuetzle is a top-3 pick, top-2 in pretty much every other year.
45+ points and top 6 minutes is a realistic expectation for all of those guys.
If they can't deliver (moreso Batherson, Brown and Norris than Stuetzle), they're no as good prospects as we think they are.
OttawaSenators11
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I'm usually very negative on here, but i feel very optimistic that Murray can bounce back and be a very good goalie for us.
Coaching on top of him clearing his head and generally being very happy to be in Ottawa will factor in he just needs to stay healthy that's the question mark.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Hall put 42 points in 65 games in his rookie year. Stuetzle can do that.
Eberle, at the same age as Batherson and Brown will be next year, put up 76 points. The year before he had 43 points in 69 games.
They weren't the problem. They delivered.
They are all still kids,and we have given support to every other core position ...Shouldnt the forwards get some help too??
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Tkachuk, Tierney, White, Anisimov and Brown are all here. Adding a guy like Smith would be great.
Is that playoff calibre? For sure no.
But that's not the goal next year. They're good enough for us to start seeing some improvement as we introduce the young guys.
Xspyrit
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Goalies are the hardest hockey players to "predict"
There's a recurring theme for any professional athlete though : injuries
Murray will have to stay healthy to be able to earn his contract so that's the basic first thing you need for any player. I don't want to name any other player to not bring bad luck but injury trouble could happen to anybody.
It really could go either way with this contract but I think some posters don't realize how absolutely Elite this guy was at the moment he turned pro. He had a bit of a down year after winning his 2nd Cup in his first 2 NHL seasons but seriously, the Pens were dead tired after 2 very long and hard playoffs run. He bounced back very nicely in 2018-19 but then had other major issues like injury and grief in 2019-20.
Let's see to what level he can bounce back.
Lower for depht players, unproven players and players that have to prove themselves again.
But even for hardly sought after players, you're going to see a bit less term and/or dollars than usual.
It takes years to recover from tragedy. Actually, you never really recover, you can only learn to live with grief.
There's a recurring theme for any professional athlete though : injuries
Murray will have to stay healthy to be able to earn his contract so that's the basic first thing you need for any player. I don't want to name any other player to not bring bad luck but injury trouble could happen to anybody.
It really could go either way with this contract but I think some posters don't realize how absolutely Elite this guy was at the moment he turned pro. He had a bit of a down year after winning his 2nd Cup in his first 2 NHL seasons but seriously, the Pens were dead tired after 2 very long and hard playoffs run. He bounced back very nicely in 2018-19 but then had other major issues like injury and grief in 2019-20.
Let's see to what level he can bounce back.
Lower for depht players, unproven players and players that have to prove themselves again.
But even for hardly sought after players, you're going to see a bit less term and/or dollars than usual.
It takes years to recover from tragedy. Actually, you never really recover, you can only learn to live with grief.
BK201
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To me our only legit top 6 last year were Duclair and Tkachuk, it's possible Stutzle, Norris and Batherson can take a top 6 role this year,maybe even Colin White or Logan Brown i just don't know how realistic it is.
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Seems like an overpayment, but who the hell cares when you're never going to be spending anything close to the cap?
SensFactor
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We will see soon enough if this was a good deal or not. If he sucks like he did with the Pens at least we have Hogberg. Something tells me though he will be really good for us.
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