Prospect Info: Matt Finn

[hotpaws]

Lol way to reply aggressively to me for no reason. I was just stating that leafs fans harp on youngsters so easily, so yes I refuse to think leafs can handle a rebuild(I never meant you BTW).

every prospect is different and just because someone doesn't believe a Finn or a Biggs will become a quality NHLer doesn't mean they don't believe Nylander won't either

also just because a prospect is x years old doesn't mean he'll become a quality player if given x numbers of years to develop

and none of this has anything to do with whether people have patience for a true rebuild

 

[mikebel111*]

every prospect is different and just because someone doesn't believe a Finn or a Biggs will become a quality NHLer doesn't they don't believe Nylander won't either

also just because a prospect is x years old doesn't mean he'll become a quality player if given x numbers of years to develop

and none of this has anything to do with whether people have patience for a true rebuild

I guess its a matter of opinion

 

[diceman934]

Lol way to reply aggressively to me for no reason. I was just stating that leafs fans harp on youngsters so easily, so yes I refuse to think leafs can handle a rebuild(I never meant you BTW).

And I never said our best AHL d man, I said one of our best AHL d man. There is a difference. And as Finn mentioned "the struggles were mental, not ability" and guess what he is right.
The skating I discussed already and wont get into that again.

One year in AHL doesnt make someone a long shot

As you replied to me and gave me the face palm, how else was I to take it?

Finn struggled playing in the AHL and it was not only mentally.....it is his feet and that equates to ability.

He is a long-shot and as much as you want to believe he is not really does not change that. What he has going for his is determination and his ability to think the game.

I just do not see him as a sure fired NHL D man and people need to understand that he comes with flaws in his game. I still maintain that we drafted him to high.

 

[mikebel111*]

As you replied to me and gave me the face palm, how else was I to take it?

Finn struggled playing in the AHL and it was not only mentally.....it is his feet and that equates to ability.

He is a long-shot and as much as you want to believe he is not really does not change that. What he has going for his is determination and his ability to think the game.

I just do not see him as a sure fired NHL D man and people need to understand that he comes with flaws in his game. I still maintain that we drafted him to high.

He does have flaws and yes it is skating but he isnt a horrible skater though, I would say average or maybe a little less
I dont think we drafted him too high. We'll see what happens though

 

[Bullseye]

I think Mike deserves a ton of credit for his defense of our defense prospects.

Personally, I don't think any of them are going to make an impact at the NHL level - I think our future defense is not yet drafted or acquired but I really don't know - it's my judgment based on their current level and a gut call on what that projects out to.

But Mike has been admirable in his defense of Percy and Finn for awhile - I respect that. Stephane Robidas said he really didn't start to really "get it" until he was 30 years old.

It also makes a massive difference if you can come into the league on a team loaded with veterans and be eased into the position knowing a ton of mistakes are part of the long learning curve off a successful NHL defenseman.

 

[mikebel111*]

I think Mike deserves a ton of credit for his defense of our defense prospects.

Personally, I don't think any of them are going to make an impact at the NHL level - I think our future defense is not yet drafted or acquired but I really don't know - it's my judgment based on their current level and a gut call on what that projects out to.

But Mike has been admirable in his defense of Percy and Finn for awhile - I respect that. Stephane Robidas said he really didn't start to really "get it" until he was 30 years old.

It also makes a massive difference if you can come into the league on a team loaded with veterans and be eased into the position knowing a ton of mistakes are part of the long learning curve off a successful NHL defenseman.

Well thanks I guess around this time, we were fighting like crazy last season I like we have changed

Anyways on topic,

Here is my rankings in pairing potential (I still include Rielly in here)

1st pairing: Rielly
2nd pairing: Finn, Percy, Loov, Valiev
3rd pairing: Granberg, Nilsson, Macwilliam

Probably missing a couple

 

[hotpaws]

Well thanks I guess around this time, we were fighting like crazy last season I like we have changed

Anyways on topic,

Here is my rankings in pairing potential (I still include Rielly in here)

1st pairing: Rielly
2nd pairing: Finn, Percy, Loov, Valiev
3rd pairing: Granberg, Nilsson, Macwilliam

Probably missing a couple

wow seven 2nd and 3rd pairing d-man , who knew our scouts were that good

 

[ULF_55]

Well thanks I guess around this time, we were fighting like crazy last season I like we have changed

Anyways on topic,

Here is my rankings in pairing potential (I still include Rielly in here)

1st pairing: Rielly
2nd pairing: Finn, Percy, Loov, Valiev
3rd pairing: Granberg, Nilsson, Macwilliam

Probably missing a couple

wow seven 2nd and 3rd pairing d-man , who knew our scouts were that good

Chances are every team could make the same claim.

He did say potential.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

As you replied to me and gave me the face palm, how else was I to take it?

Finn struggled playing in the AHL and it was not only mentally.....it is his feet and that equates to ability.

He is a long-shot and as much as you want to believe he is not really does not change that. What he has going for his is determination and his ability to think the game.

I just do not see him as a sure fired NHL D man and people need to understand that he comes with flaws in his game. I still maintain that we drafted him to high.

TSN had Finn ranked 21; he was taken 35th.

wow seven 2nd and 3rd pairing d-man , who knew our scouts were that good

He said potential. That is if everyone reaches their potential of what they were drafted for, and we HOPE to reach, that's what they will be. Of course not all of our dman will make the next step.

 

[Sonofamitch]

wow seven 2nd and 3rd pairing d-man , who knew our scouts were that good

Potential, not every player reaches his potential.

 

[ACC1224]

TSN had Finn ranked 21; he was taken 35th.


He said potential. That is if everyone reaches their potential of what they were drafted for, and we HOPE to reach, that's what they will be. Of course not all of our dman will make the next step.

Isn't every Player drafted by every Team selected because the Team thinks one day they can play in the NHL?

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Isn't every Player drafted by every Team selected because the Team thinks one day they can play in the NHL?

I would think so , yes.

 

[ACC1224]

I would think so , yes.

and you'd be correct.

 

[diceman934]

TSN had Finn ranked 21; he was taken 35th.


He said potential. That is if everyone reaches their potential of what they were drafted for, and we HOPE to reach, that's what they will be. Of course not all of our dman will make the next step.

Yes and TSN are not scouts.....he fell in the draft and my opinion has not changed since the day we drafted him....he went to high!

 

[Leafs at Knight]

and you'd be correct.

Alright... lol.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Yes and TSN are not scouts.....he fell in the draft and my opinion has not changed since the day we drafted him....he went to high!

http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9831


"TSN's annual survey of NHL scouts asks them which players will be taken in the first round and at which position. The final rankings are based on a consensus of opinion and do not take into account the NHL teams' order of selection or specific teams needs."

 

[diceman934]

http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9831


"TSN's annual survey of NHL scouts asks them which players will be taken in the first round and at which position. The final rankings are based on a consensus of opinion and do not take into account the NHL teams' order of selection or specific teams needs."

Yes and scouts are ranking players higher then they believe and others lowers....it happens every year for a reason.....they keep their cards close to their vests.

Look at St Louis draft record.....or Detroit's and look at the players they select....very few if any that I can recall did they draft players who fall. Look at the 2010 draft as a good example. Remember Angelo Esposito in his draft year and his ranking and where he went in the draft and how that turned out.

How about Cater Ashton in his draft year.

 

[hotpaws]

Chances are every team could make the same claim.

He did say potential.

TSN had Finn ranked 21; he was taken 35th.


He said potential. That is if everyone reaches their potential of what they were drafted for, and we HOPE to reach, that's what they will be. Of course not all of our dman will make the next step.

Potential, not every player reaches his potential.

I understand he said potential but what's just as important as potential is the likelihood of them reaching that potential . These kids get evaluated every step of the way and if there progress stalls/flat lines their spot/ice time will be given to the next crop of picks .

It's no different than a 16 year old top 10 rated prospect who drops to the 2nd rd in his draft year because his development didn't keep up with his peers .

 

[againsttheboards]

Please explain your logic... do you know how many goals he was on the ice for during the final? I am a huge Guelph fan and watched the game live at Budweiser Gardens...and from what I recall Zach Leslie, Bathilsberger and Harpur were the ones who were on the ice during Edmonton's goals...while Finn and Ebert were major anchors for the team.

Bdizzle - I would have to disagree with your assessment there about who was on the ice at the time of the Edmonton goals.

Here is the game sheet for the final game (Guelph vs. Edmonton)

Game Report 232
ARENA: Budweiser Gardens
DATE: May 25, 2014
Visiting Team: Edmonton Oil Kings - 6
Head Coach: Derek Laxdal
Assistant Coach: Steve Hamilton
Assistant Coach: Sean Brown
Manager: Randy Hansch
Home Team: Guelph Storm - 3
Head Coach: Scott Walker
Assistant Coach: Todd Harvey
Assistant Coach: Bill Stewart
Manager: Mike Kelly
Time Keeper: Ron De Leeuw
Time keeper 2: Dean Johnson
Web Scorer: Glenn Auger
Webscorer 2: Les Caldwell
Statistician: Frank Oliva
Statistician 2: John McInerney
Official Scorer: Brian Rooke
EDMONTON LINEUP
Pos No. Name
G 30 Jarry, Tristan
G 35 Santos, Tyler
A 2 Corbett, Cody
4 Orban, Blake
5 Sautner, Ashton
C 8 Reinhart, Griffin
10 Samuelsson, Henrik
11 Bertolucci, Luke
12 Benson, Cole
13 Baddock, Brandon
A 14 Kieser, Riley
18 Petryk, Reid
20 Eller, Mads
21 Robertson, Tyler
23 Kulda, Edgars
24 Irving, Aaron
A 27 Lazar, Curtis
29 Moroz, Mitchell
37 Mayo, Dysin
39 Pollock, Brett
EDMONTON PENALTIES
Per. No. Min Offence Off PP PS
1st 4 2:00 HS 1:48 1
1st 18 2:00 CFB 4:17 1
2nd 23 2:00 Slash 8:38

















GUELPH LINEUP
Pos No. Name
G 31 Mancina, Mathew
G 39 Nichols, Justin
3 Trojanovic, Steven
C 4 Finn, Matt
6 Baltisberger, Phil
7 Harpur, Ben
8 Leslie, Zach
9 Fabbri, Robby
10 Ebert, Nick
11 Dickinson, Jason
A 12 Horvat, Ryan
15 Stevens, Marc
16 Rychel, Kerby
17 Bertuzzi, Tyler
19 Pierog, Stephen
20 Auger, Justin
A 21 McGinn, Brock
22 Suter, Pius
A 23 Mitchell, Zack
24 Kosmachuk, Scott
GUELPH PENALTIES
Per. No. Min Offence Off PP PS
1st 11 2:00 HOS 7:42 1
1st 17 2:00 Hook 8:26 1
2nd 24 2:00 Int 5:50 1
2nd 8 2:00 Slash 8:38
















EDMONTON Goals EDMONTON PLAYERS (plus) GUELPH PLAYERS (minus)
Per. Time G-As1-As2
1st 9:38 PP 2-10-8 2 8 10 27 39 4 12 22
2nd 1:58 21-12 5 8 12 13 21 3 8 17 19 22
2nd 6:06 PP 23-5-10 5 8 10 23 27 4 10 12 23
2nd 14:19 29-23-10 4 5 10 23 29 4 10 12 17 24
3rd 5:00 10-23-29 2 5 10 23 29 4 10 11 21 23
3rd 18:34 EN 10 5 8 10 14 27 4 9 10 16 23 24
GUELPH Goals GUELPH PLAYERS (plus) EDMONTON PLAYERS (minus)
Per. Time G-As1-As2
1st 1:00 9-16-23 3 7 9 16 23 2 10 23 29 37
1st 16:36 19-22-8 3 8 17 19 22 8 11 14 20 24
3rd 3:23 23-16-9 7 9 10 16 23 2 10 23 29 37



POWER PLAY OPPORTUNITIES
EDMONTON 2 / 3
GUELPH 0 / 2

PENALTY SUMMARY
EDMONTON 6 min / 3 inf
GUELPH 8 min / 4 inf

POINT SUMMARY
EDMONTON 6 G + 9 A = 15 Pts
GUELPH 3 G + 6 A = 9 Pts
SCORING 1 2 3 Total
EDMONTON 1 3 2 6
GUELPH 2 0 1 3
GOALTENDER/SAVES (Time) 1 2 3 Tot. On Off
EDM - Jarry (60:00) (W) 12 8 12 32 1st/0:00 3rd/20:00
GUE - Nichols (58:46) (L) 19 12 8 39 1st/0:00 3rd/18:46
Stars of the Game TIME OF GAME:
EDM - 10 Samuelsson Start: 4:35 PM
EDM - 23 Kulda End: 7:14 PM
EDM - 30 Jarry Attendance: 8863
OFFICIALS
Referee I: Mario Maillet (21)
Referee II: Sean Reid (26)
LINESMEN I: Dustin McCrank (68)
LINESMEN II: Mike Hamilton (86)

CERTIFIED CORRECT



This report has been checked and verified against the Official Game Report.

 

[Bullseye]

That gamesheet doesn't show how many goals Finn was on the ice for.

He got caught in the Oil Kings dump and chase and wasn't able to play his puck control type of game and finished minus 3. The Storm were overwhelming favourites to win the game and I think the players thought it was a gimme.

This was the most notable exposure of Matt's skating issues on the biggest stage and it seems to have really affected his confidence. He also missed half the previous season with Mono and I was wondering how it may have affected his constitution after a long season.

Anyway - he is our prospect and if can learn to play his game at the Pro level and overcome his shortcomings - he will be all the more mature for it. He is a great leader and quarterback type of d-man - so here's hoping the best for him. The Leafs could certainly use a guy like that.

 

[Gallagbi]

That gamesheet doesn't show how many goals Finn was on the ice for.

It does, he bolded the GA for Finn.

5 Total GA, 2 PP, 1 EN.

 

[Bullseye]

It does, he bolded the GA for Finn.

5 Total GA, 2 PP, 1 EN.

Yup see it now - thanks.

 

[Rufio65*]

That gamesheet doesn't show how many goals Finn was on the ice for.

He got caught in the Oil Kings dump and chase and wasn't able to play his puck control type of game and finished minus 3. The Storm were overwhelming favourites to win the game and I think the players thought it was a gimme.

This was the most notable exposure of Matt's skating issues on the biggest stage and it seems to have really affected his confidence. He also missed half the previous season with Mono and I was wondering how it may have affected his constitution after a long season.

Anyway - he is our prospect and if can learn to play his game at the Pro level and overcome his shortcomings - he will be all the more mature for it. He is a great leader and quarterback type of d-man - so here's hoping the best for him. The Leafs could certainly use a guy like that.

You can't be a QB PP type of Dman, when you put up 4 points in 33 games (ECHL+ AHL). You can't be a QB PP type of Dman when you are always on the shelf with various ailments. I agree with your assessment of the Memorial Cup Final.

Man oh man, how are Nonis and Morrison still employed?

 

[Bullseye]

You can't be a QB PP type of Dman, when you put up 4 points in 33 games (ECHL+ AHL). You can't be a QB PP type of Dman when you are always on the shelf with various ailments. I agree with your assessment of the Memorial Cup Final.

Man oh man, how are Nonis and Morrison still employed?

Ya but you gotta recognize that Finn was the Captain on that powerhouse team - he had an amazing regular and playoff season.

At this point - he is a project - he needs some tools to really develop for him in order to take control of the AHL level game the way he did junior hockey.

The organization owes him a debt of gratitude anyway - he recommended to Morrison that they draft his buddy Connor Brown if they got a chance.

Finn deserves our patience for that for sure...

 

[Teeder9]

Ya but you gotta recognize that Finn was the Captain on that powerhouse team - he had an amazing regular and playoff season.

At this point - he is a project - he needs some tools to really develop for him in order to take control of the AHL level game the way he did junior hockey.

The organization owes him a debt of gratitude anyway - he recommended to Morrison that they draft his buddy Connor Brown if they got a chance.

Finn deserves our patience for that for sure...

You're right in that he deserves patience. Every prospect does. On the other hand though, at some point in the next 2 years, he needs to show that the patience wasn't for nothing