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His job is to coach the New York Rangers.
A byproduct of which is dealing with the media, unfortunately. Let me know how you'd feel if the stupid reporters were asking you stupid questions about inconsequential moments and/or players night after night after night.
Idlerlee
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Silly me,voted 1 of the 3 stars of the game by a bunch of fans on an online board,what was i thinking?
He's been top 3'ing pretty much all post game polls on this particular forum since he joined, is everyone wrong ?
Yea, sometimes.
Im pretty sure that Zuccarello gets some bonus points because hes 5 foot nothing and the odds were majorly stacked against him to even make the NHL.
I mean, how else can you explain the gushing for somebody who produces at about the same clip as Erik Christensen did?
The people that are surpriced that zuke scored from right in front of the goal doesn't remember the last tim he were here before the injury.
2 of his 3 goals were from the front of the goal on reflections and rebounds..
So far he's played balls to the Walls on every shift and it has paid of so far..
Sure he has stuff to work on and improve but which player doesn't?
Also those not wanting Norwegian poster's here makes me scratch my head and arse at the same time? You don't want new fans supporting your team?
I support NYR not cause of zuke, but for personal reason. Zuke being there is an added bonus for me and I enjoy sitting up to 4 in morning watching games - my boss doesn't though..
Sure, some of us are bandwagon fans whilst others stick around but to not welcome all posters/fans with open arms is not How open minded and open hearted I remember New Yorkers from my yearly trips to the greatest city in the world where I always visit the greatest arena in the world and hang out with some of the best fans in the world..
Back on zuke; so far...so good..I just think he came here 2 weeks too late to really be a factor..
If he gets signed for next year, then I'll fistpump and nod in approval.
If he doesn't Get signed, then I'll still be here...annoying some of You fine folks...
This is one fan signing out..a NYC/NYR fan that is..
If I come across as offensive or this post doesn't make sense - I blame Jack Daniels and my beer googles..
2 of his 3 goals were from the front of the goal on reflections and rebounds..
So far he's played balls to the Walls on every shift and it has paid of so far..
Sure he has stuff to work on and improve but which player doesn't?
Also those not wanting Norwegian poster's here makes me scratch my head and arse at the same time? You don't want new fans supporting your team?
I support NYR not cause of zuke, but for personal reason. Zuke being there is an added bonus for me and I enjoy sitting up to 4 in morning watching games - my boss doesn't though..
Sure, some of us are bandwagon fans whilst others stick around but to not welcome all posters/fans with open arms is not How open minded and open hearted I remember New Yorkers from my yearly trips to the greatest city in the world where I always visit the greatest arena in the world and hang out with some of the best fans in the world..
Back on zuke; so far...so good..I just think he came here 2 weeks too late to really be a factor..
If he gets signed for next year, then I'll fistpump and nod in approval.
If he doesn't Get signed, then I'll still be here...annoying some of You fine folks...
This is one fan signing out..a NYC/NYR fan that is..
If I come across as offensive or this post doesn't make sense - I blame Jack Daniels and my beer googles..
Idlerlee
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I made a lengthy post on the former page that I wish you had read, it was for you.
But the short version is that I kinda feel like you are mixing production with not relying on teammates who are in too bad form to capitalize on the chances he produces.
If someone would make a "Production produced by passing" statistic I'm sure there wouldn't really be an argument. For example if Richards was able to hit a barn door while standing right infront of the door, the little guy would have a considerable higher number of points, killing all arguments about productivity.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Most of the stuff on this thread is garbage.
Mats has come in and been one of our top 3 most dynamic players on offense. He's been physical, he's forechecked hard, his speed has improved, he's improved his play off the puck and his defensive positioning, in addition to having possibly the best vision on the ice (out of anyone on the team), great playmaking abilities and decisions, and lately even a goal scoring touch. Any time he is on the ice he seems to make an impact. That is undeniable. Forget stats right now, the impact he has had on the team can not be denied. Our powerplay has improved, Richards has improved, the entire team has improved. He's an excellent locker room presence, the guys love having him around, and he's showing great play and effort out on the ice as well.
He has deficiencies. He's not the strongest on the boards... while he has improved defensively he's not always the best defender... sometimes he tries to force passes and it leads to odd man rushes...
So does every player. Every player has deficiencies. Enough of the complaining. He'll have his faults, but then again, so will everyone. Mats definitely deserves a lot more respect from this fan base. He's playing his heart out and he's given this team a boost when it seemed that they were down and out. He's earned top 9 minutes, and arguably even top 3 minutes.
And for those who claim otherwise and list his poor defensive play as a predominant reason, Torts system should not be your basis on judging a player. It's, in my opinion, a horrific hockey system. You have naturally talented offensive players so they can play offense, not focus on defense. We struggle with scoring goals and Mats is (again) one of our top 3 most dynamic players on offense.
Mats has come in and been one of our top 3 most dynamic players on offense. He's been physical, he's forechecked hard, his speed has improved, he's improved his play off the puck and his defensive positioning, in addition to having possibly the best vision on the ice (out of anyone on the team), great playmaking abilities and decisions, and lately even a goal scoring touch. Any time he is on the ice he seems to make an impact. That is undeniable. Forget stats right now, the impact he has had on the team can not be denied. Our powerplay has improved, Richards has improved, the entire team has improved. He's an excellent locker room presence, the guys love having him around, and he's showing great play and effort out on the ice as well.
He has deficiencies. He's not the strongest on the boards... while he has improved defensively he's not always the best defender... sometimes he tries to force passes and it leads to odd man rushes...
So does every player. Every player has deficiencies. Enough of the complaining. He'll have his faults, but then again, so will everyone. Mats definitely deserves a lot more respect from this fan base. He's playing his heart out and he's given this team a boost when it seemed that they were down and out. He's earned top 9 minutes, and arguably even top 3 minutes.
And for those who claim otherwise and list his poor defensive play as a predominant reason, Torts system should not be your basis on judging a player. It's, in my opinion, a horrific hockey system. You have naturally talented offensive players so they can play offense, not focus on defense. We struggle with scoring goals and Mats is (again) one of our top 3 most dynamic players on offense.
Yea, I read that manifesto. It was a laundry list of excuses as to why I shouldnt be skeptical of Zuccarello. Sorry, I dont think that way.
Maybe, sometime soon, the NHL will invent stats to show how Mats Zuccarello should be producing more.
Which is why I have no ill will towards him. Im also not going to fall in love with the guy because hes an undersized underdog.
Zuccarello is really just not good enough of a player for people to be falling over themselves to defend him when his NHL ability is met with some skepticism.
Idlerlee
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How many ppg must he have before you are happy ? 
lol
Don't forget that he's been "responsible" for like one goal against, and that was by a play that honestly you should applaud rather than flame the team for. How does that translate to a defensive liability when we have defenders who have done actual blunders to create goals against.
lolDon't forget that he's been "responsible" for like one goal against, and that was by a play that honestly you should applaud rather than flame the team for. How does that translate to a defensive liability when we have defenders who have done actual blunders to create goals against.
I dont deal in excuses, what-ifs, or upsides.
And, in Zuccarello, I dont see a player whose offensive abilities and potential for production are enough to significantly outshine his deficiencies.
Hes a fine addition for this Rangers squad. Then again, this Ranger squad is incredibly mediocre. I have trouble envisioning him as an offensive cog in a real contending team.
How about you invent stat to show how much of a liability he is, because I'm pretty sure both Fenwick and Corsi supports Zuccarello. I'd check it out ifi weren't browsing on my phone.
Edit: I checked anyway http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#
Leads in Corsi, and a low on ice team sh% indicates they should have scored on more of their shots
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Well maybe Zucc finds out he doesn't want to stay here, this team aint good enough for his future. He's an RFA, and I'm sure he'd pick up a nice offer from Pittsburgh, and play on a line with Crosby
What excuses are being made about Zucc? We are 6-3-1 since he has joined us. Our powerplay has improved. It can be argued that since he's been on the same line as Richards, Richards has found his game.
Are you talking about him only scoring 3 goals and having 2 assists? I'm sorry, but I'm sure there must be some sort of adjustment period for a player coming from overseas playing with different line mates.
Again, what is your impression of what an offensively talented player is responsible for? Sure they have defensive responsibilities, which Zucc definitely is capable of handling, but their primary goal should not be, and IS NOT, focusing on defense. Get this stupid Tortorella system out of your head. Is it any wonder the Rangers have had trouble scoring every year under Tortorella? No. He forces his offensive players to conform into something they are not.
Zucc is dynamic. You see it on the ice every shift. He's constantly creating chances. Finishing those chances is on the shoulders of his line mates. He's not a goal scorer, he's a supplier. Exactly what type of results are you expecting when he's paired with Taylor Pyatt (who lives for dumping and chasing), Ryan Clowe (who is doing much of the same as Taylor), and Brad Richards (another primary distributor). None of those players are finishers.
I don't see where you come from. Defensive deficiencies outshine offensive capabilities? We must not be watching the same guy and team. Put him on another team and he won't be an important cog? People said the same thing about P.A Paranteau before he went to the Islanders. It's this idiotic system based on pure focus on defense.
Facts like these should really curtail the emotion-based opinions in this thread.
But will they?
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Too many variables to me to really use that as a gauge of anything.
Marginally. Zuccarello has 1 point on the PP. Of course I've maintained that I think his pp prowess has been overstated.
Im quite certain that my opinions on Mats Zuccarello are devoid of any emotion. I dont think hes important enough to really display any emotion towards him.
Regardless how many points he has on it, its fairly obviously it's looked much better when hes out there. Much less standing around, and more creativity. I don't think anyone can say the PP looks the same as it did the first half of the season.
And, yes there are a lot of variables to do with that 6-3-1 record, but he is still one of the variables that must be considered.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Yup, Brassard has also help improve the PP. Not saying it was just Zucc.
No. But you sure put a lot of emotion into winning an argument on the internet. Right or wrong be damned.
Idlerlee
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3 goals the last 2 games, won rangers a point, pulls opposition penalties more or less every game, sets up Richards with barndoor shots, uses his body as a human shotstopper.
Aaaaand I could go on.
I'm not trying to make him out to be god, there are better players than Zucc on this team, but I find it staggering that you're able to label him as: Bad. And even a below average forward.. like, what.
So when even Corsi backs up everyones claim, and logical deduction and situation analysiz clearly state that yes, he makes crucial contributions.. You have to be able to explain better WHY he is so bad instead of just say "he's bad, this is my opinion"..
You are of course right to your opinion, but in this case it feels like you are speaking against the masses without actual evidence other than assumption
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