Traded Mathieu Joseph (RW)

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Yup he was with them to the finals.

Honestly I thought Ottawa won the trade at the time and felt the fan base overrated Paul. Then obviously Joseph put up that abysmal season last year and started regretting it now I am back to supporting dorion on the move
The trade was fine at the time; what was more of a gamble was the contract given to Joseph at the end of the season, in terms of the amount and term. Based on the first year it didn't look good, but now it does.

Injuries affect the performance of players so much that it's hard to judge a player even during the course of an entire season. See also: Batherson.
 
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Joseph's contract becomes less of an issue next season as well. Will be providing more value as the cap goes up, a year off the contract, and proving to be a solid player.

Turned around a potentially difficult situation for the Sens.
 

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Paul was nice, don’t miss him at all though. Glad Tampa is happy with him.

Joseph is dynamic and a speed demon, exactly what this team needs.

Good hockey trade. I would never take the trade back given how Joseph is playing this year and in his first stint.
 

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Nick Paul: 29 GP, 9G, 3A, 12P, -16
Mathieu Joseph: 22GP, 5G, 12A, 17P, +10

I think the debate on who won this trade has been put to rest now.
Absolutely!

22 games is the standard benchmark to make a final determination of any trade.
 

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Absolutely!

22 games is the standard benchmark to make a final determination of any trade.

To be fair this isn’t the first stretch that Joseph has looked good. After he was acquired and even to start last season with Pinto and Motte, I think last season with injuries was more of an outlier.
 

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Absolutely!

22 games is the standard benchmark to make a final determination of any trade.
Nick Paul 130 31 27 58 -1
Mathieu Joseph 89 12 35 47 +23

That's their stats since the trade.

Joseph had a start and stop year last year where he was in and out of the lineup. At no point last year did we see the speed from him that we're seeing this year.

I think we got the better player out of the deal. And we got the better contract
 
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Would you say it's better, worse or the same from all the takes that crowned Tampa winners of the trade less than a year after?
The same.

I stated many times people were over reacting to MJ's season last year and the rush to get rid of him wasn't a good idea.

I think we have the better player, but not ready to say the conversation is over as many things could still happen.
 

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I'd still take Paul over Joseph if it were up to me. That combination of size/skill of Paul is hard to replace. He's actually exactly what we need in our bottom six right now.
 

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The same.

I stated many times people were over reacting to MJ's season last year and the rush to get rid of him wasn't a good idea.

I think we have the better player, but not ready to say the conversation is over as many things could still happen.
Ok great. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't out of line. I've been defending Joseph for a while too because guys who skate like him are a premium currency in the NHL. Just wanted to put it out there that the people who are always pretending they're right about everything because of small sample sizes should also be the first in line to acknowledge their opinions when the facts change.
 
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I'd still take Paul over Joseph if it were up to me. That combination of size/skill of Paul is hard to replace. He's actually exactly what we need in our bottom six right now.
He really isn’t though. He’s surprisingly soft and not physical for a guy as big and strong as he is. Not a great fit for the bottom six for our team as our third line players are all better than he is, and he isn’t physical enough for us on the fourth line.

Good soldier and long term project for us, and a great example of hard work and perseverance, but not a fit for our team now or going forward. I wouldn’t take him over Kastelic at the moment and Kasty need ls to step up his game.
 

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He really isn’t though. He’s surprisingly soft and not physical for a guy as big and strong as he is. Not a great fit for the bottom six for our team as our third line players are all better than he is, and he isn’t physical enough for us on the fourth line.

Good soldier and long term project for us, and a great example of hard work and perseverance, but not a fit for our team now or going forward. I wouldn’t take him over Kastelic at the moment and Kasty need ls to step up his game.

Respecfully, I don't agree with this assessment. I view Paul as a quality middle six forward that makes an impact when it counts. That's why Tampa wanted to keep him, and I trust their evaluation over our previous regime.
 

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Respecfully, I don't agree with this assessment. I view Paul as a quality middle six forward that makes an impact when it counts. That's why Tampa wanted to keep him, and I trust their evaluation over our previous regime.
He’s a good middle six player, I agree, just not what we need. He doesn’t bring anything that we lack when compared to the bottom six guys we have and the guys we have coming.

I put him as pretty much the guy that Kasty replaces in the bottom six. A little less skill for more physicality. I don’t think anyone would trade Joseph straight up for Paul at this point, but that could change. Joseph has to keep it up to show that it was just injuries last season and this is the real player.

You can trust T Bay for sure, and distrust our guys sure, but in my opinion Joseph has been the better player this season so far, and looks to be a much more valuable player over all.

Its all good though, I respect the differing opinions.
 

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He really isn’t though. He’s surprisingly soft and not physical for a guy as big and strong as he is. Not a great fit for the bottom six for our team as our third line players are all better than he is, and he isn’t physical enough for us on the fourth line.

Good soldier and long term project for us, and a great example of hard work and perseverance, but not a fit for our team now or going forward. I wouldn’t take him over Kastelic at the moment and Kasty need ls to step up his game.
I agree with your first para but I am not sure about the second. Kasty does need to step up his game.
 

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I agree with your first para but I am not sure about the second. Kasty does need to step up his game.
He sure does! Looks lost and slow half the time.

When he’s having a game he’s dynamite, but he is incredibly inconsistent.

My opinion anyways :)
 

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Paul was nice, don’t miss him at all though. Glad Tampa is happy with him.

Joseph is dynamic and a speed demon, exactly what this team needs.

Good hockey trade. I would never take the trade back given how Joseph is playing this year and in his first stint.
I miss Paul's size but I prefer Joseph's speed.
 

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I'm very happy to have Joseph. I always thought people overrated Paul.

That being said, Nick Paul is so much better than Mark Kastelic it's not even worth discussing.
 

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I'm very happy to have Joseph. I always thought people overrated Paul.

That being said, Nick Paul is so much better than Mark Kastelic it's not even worth discussing.
Well, he’s also a lot older and had a lot more development time, but that doesn’t preclude a discussion between two bottom six guys. One very much established in that role, and one a sophomore guy.

Kasty doesn’t have to develop too much more to be as much of an impact player as Paul is in my opinion, and he is far more aggressive and fights.
 
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