Value of: Mason McTavish? For reals?

[GrumpyKoala]

Can we interest you in a slightly older slightly more used Craig McTavish?

 

[tomd]

I'm gonna put myself out there and remind people (especially canucks fans) that nice guys don't win cups.

If Miller is a hard ass with 5 years left on his contract of $8 million with the cap expected to be at or above $100 million before he expires.

There's more than a few teams that would take that contract for youth.

I'll also say I had the Ducks as my dark horse this year to make the playoffs because what they've been building there since 2019/2020 has been smart as hell but they're missing one or two pieces to really start putting it together

Possibly for me the main reason I look at the Ducks for Miller is simply that it would be one of the most logical places MIller would waive too and because the Ducks have the centre depth to lose a younger piece and out of them it's looking like Zegras or McTavish because there's no way I could ever see them parting with a Carlsson, Nesterenko or Gaucher

(ducks fans probably not as high on Gaucher as I am but a big RHC is always hard as hell to find)

There may be a workable trade there may not be; but with someone mentioning McTavish potentially being (rumoured only) asked about it doesn't hurt to try to connect the dots

I honestly can't see any way that the Ducks trade McTavish for a player 10 years older than him. Just doesn't make any sense organizationally unless they are giving up on the rebuild. The team is making some modest strides but is nowhere near playoff caliber with or without Miller.

Gaucher might end up being a Derek Grant type 4C but that is his ceiling. Very disappointing pick.

 

[ole ole]

If the Sens decide to deal Tkachuk prior to July 1st I would be happy with a deal based around McTavish+

Maybe something like McTavish + Zegras + something for Tkachuk + Norris to equalize positions in vs. out

Wow Well thought out.

 

[3074326]

Gaucher might end up being a Derek Grant type 4C but that is his ceiling. Very disappointing pick.

What happened here? I thought I remembered there being a good amount of optimism about him relatively recently. I don't follow prospects outside of PIT/CBJ very much though.

 

[Warh1ppy]

I honestly can't see any way that the Ducks trade McTavish for a player 10 years older than him. Just doesn't make any sense organizationally unless they are giving up on the rebuild. The team is making some modest strides but is nowhere near playoff caliber with or without Miller.

Gaucher might end up being a Derek Grant type 4C but that is his ceiling. Very disappointing pick.

I still am sad that they didn't take the next step this year. All the pieces in place to be an exciting team to watch and push for at least a wild card spot.

Figured people wouldn't be as high in Gaucher as I am. Don't know what's gone wrong with him or if he's a slow burn but he has everything going for him if he puts it together

 

[WTFMAN99]

So I'm taking a break and reading ESPN on the NHL (yes, yes, I know), specifically this article:

NHL trade tiers Big Board: Kreider, Rossi, Provorov among players generating buzz

While the trade deadline isn't until March 7, significant trades have already happened. Here are 68 players who could join a new team.

www.espn.com

And in their list of "elite pending free agents" they're sugesting as up for trade, they include... Mason McTavish?

I dunno if I'm looking at wild-ass speculation or if there's actually legitimately something there. In any case, what would the Ducks be looking for? (I imagine it'd be a heck of a lot since it seems more than a little early to give up on him, but if there's Something Else going on...)

I don't think they'd be smart in trading him this soon before trying a different coach first but...

Easton Cowan is probably the starting point with some adds if Toronto was to be serious in this but I suspect another team could outbid Toronto.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't think they'd be smart in trading him this soon before trying a different coach first but...

Easton Cowan is probably the starting point with some adds if Toronto was to be serious in this but I suspect another team could outbid Toronto.

I think that’s a fair assessment.

Cowan is an intriguing piece….. but the only reason Anaheim would trade mctavish is to being in a bigger piece now(mctavish ++ for an established star)….

Aves fans have talked about a deal around mctavish+ for rantanen, duck fans have talked about mctavish+ for Brady if Brady wants out, a guy like tage would spark interest. Those type of deals make a bit of sense for us.

Trading for younger players, with potential doesn’t make a lot of sense because that’s what mctavish is.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think that’s a fair assessment.

Cowan is an intriguing piece….. but the only reason Anaheim would trade mctavish is to being in a bigger piece now(mctavish ++ for an established star)….

Aves fans have talked about a deal around mctavish+ for rantanen, duck fans have talked about mctavish+ for Brady if Brady wants out, a guy like tage would spark interest. Those type of deals make a bit of sense for us.

Trading for younger players, with potential doesn’t make a lot of sense because that’s what mctavish is.

I agree 100% with this.

Rantanen / Marner are pending UFA so I have to imagine Anaheim could simply wait on Marner/Rantanen for July 1st or they might dig in with trade protection.

Tkachuk would be a GREAT piece for Anaheim, if something could be worked out there, no one can likely touch that.

I just think our best prospect is Cowan and that's a starting point and from there trying to add on, I think our next best asset(s) are in net but Dokstal likely negates the interest.

So as much as I would love to get McTavish into the conversation, I standby the fact that another team is going to make a much more appealing offer to you.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Owen Power?

 

[Stephen]

I can believe McTavish might be available. Rebuilds that don't really take off have a tendency to get into a churn and burn cycle with their high picks, so in Anaheim's case, I could see guys like McTavish, Zegras, etc becoming available while the center of the rebuild shifts to some of the more recent picks.

 

[StreetHawk]

I can believe McTavish might be available. Rebuilds that don't really take off have a tendency to get into a churn and burn cycle with their high picks, so in Anaheim's case, I could see guys like McTavish, Zegras, etc becoming available while the center of the rebuild shifts to some of the more recent picks.

MacTavish and Zegras were Murray's picks. So, Verbeek is only looking at their upside and whether they are best fitted for the team moving forward or whether they are better served as trade capital to upgrade the team somewhere else.

Was not surprised to hear Zegras name last season, but a little to hear MacTavish. But, it's getting to the point now for Ana (which is why I was surprised PV didn't do any significant in the summer aside from add the likes of Fabbri, Dum to the roster), of wanting to see more progress in the team.

Just feels like major moves are best served in the off-season vs in-season. Ana like Buff should be targeting NHL players, not prospects/picks.

 

[Gliff]

Owen Power?

I would imagine the Ducks would want an upgrade at forward if they did move McTavish.

Not to mention they are pretty set at LHD with Minty 21, Zell 21, and LaCombe 23 who has taken a huge step this year.

 

[Stephen]

MacTavish and Zegras were Murray's picks. So, Verbeek is only looking at their upside and whether they are best fitted for the team moving forward or whether they are better served as trade capital to upgrade the team somewhere else.

Was not surprised to hear Zegras name last season, but a little to hear MacTavish. But, it's getting to the point now for Ana (which is why I was surprised PV didn't do any significant in the summer aside from add the likes of Fabbri, Dum to the roster), of wanting to see more progress in the team.

Just feels like major moves are best served in the off-season vs in-season. Ana like Buff should be targeting NHL players, not prospects/picks.

Wouldn’t be surprised if all of them went the way of Jamie Drysdale.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

MacTavish and Zegras were Murray's picks. So, Verbeek is only looking at their upside and whether they are best fitted for the team moving forward or whether they are better served as trade capital to upgrade the team somewhere else.

Was not surprised to hear Zegras name last season, but a little to hear MacTavish. But, it's getting to the point now for Ana (which is why I was surprised PV didn't do any significant in the summer aside from add the likes of Fabbri, Dum to the roster), of wanting to see more progress in the team.

Just feels like major moves are best served in the off-season vs in-season. Ana like Buff should be targeting NHL players, not prospects/picks.

To be fair PV was basically in on every big name forward on the market the last year + he’s trying but free agents don’t want to come here.


Trade might be the best solution, but prob have to part with 1 of mctavish or zegras

 

[StreetHawk]

To be fair PV was basically in on every big name forward on the market the last year + he’s trying but free agents don’t want to come here.


Trade might be the best solution, but prob have to part with 1 of mctavish or zegras

That is always the challenge of a rebuilding franchise. Detroit, Buffalo, Ottawa, etc. Players with options would rather win now than potentially win in 3 years. Ducks were 3rd worst at like 60 points last season. Needed 93 or something to make the PO in the west. Massive uphill climb. Probably would take a couple of years before they got there.

Gets back to what needs to occur first? Enough internal improvement to convince guys to sign or they need to convince guys to sign to help the team take that next big step up the standings.

 

[HabsAddict]

Between Cozens and McTavish, i like McT game better but i don't know who is the better set up man.

There is no doubt Laine needs a set up center and for the life of me, i don't know where Dach lost his head. I know about the injury but this is very old news.

Habs likely to finsh between 5th and 10th plus an extra first round in the teens. I'd put them on the line for those two. But we don't have extra top ranked players to trade. It would be a stupid dig a hole to fill a hole trade for any of the youngsters.

 

[anezthes]

...there's no way I could ever see them parting with a Carlsson, Nesterenko or Gaucher

I'd gladly part with both Nesterenko and Gaucher for JT Miller. In fact, I'll even throw in a 3rd!

 

[Gliff]

Between Cozens and McTavish, i like McT game better but i don't know who is the better set up man.

There is no doubt Laine needs a set up center and for the life of me, i don't know where Dach lost his head. I know about the injury but this is very old news.

Habs likely to finsh between 5th and 10th plus an extra first round in the teens. I'd put them on the line for those two. But we don't have extra top ranked players to trade. It would be a stupid dig a hole to fill a hole trade for any of the youngsters.

The Ducks dont need another top 10 pick. If they trade McTavish it needs to be in a package for a star forward that will help now.

 

[Warh1ppy]

I'd gladly part with both Nesterenko and Gaucher for JT Miller. In fact, I'll even throw in a 3rd!

No deal, best they can give you is apparently Desharnais Hoglander and a 3rd but that package is apparently already earmarked for Marner with 40% retained judging by how valuable they think that is

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Between Cozens and McTavish, i like McT game better but i don't know who is the better set up man.

There is no doubt Laine needs a set up center and for the life of me, i don't know where Dach lost his head. I know about the injury but this is very old news.

Habs likely to finsh between 5th and 10th plus an extra first round in the teens. I'd put them on the line for those two. But we don't have extra top ranked players to trade. It would be a stupid dig a hole to fill a hole trade for any of the youngsters.

The only piece that interests me if I was dealing mctavish to Montreal is slaf, which is prob not something Montreal should be doing

 

[HabsAddict]

The only piece that interests me if I was dealing mctavish to Montreal is slaf, which is prob not something Montreal should be doing

That's raising the stakes a bit too high.

I don't mind trading ANYONE but that would be raising it to Carlsson level.

I think Carlsson will surpass McT and Zegras in value, but the old story is....until he does it, he hasn't.

We got two more 1st rounders. Likely a 5-10 and a 12-16. That should be enough for the newly downtrodden teams to rebuild on. Meanwhile, we can't be the next Sabres...

 

[lwvs84]

Assuming they finish around where they are now, I'd rather move the Ducks 1st for forward help. A pick in the 5-7 range to add to the forwards rather than just upgrading McTavish. This is unless there is a massive upgrade on McTavish available.

 

[Eggtimers]

Ducks biggest needs are a defensive RHD who can play on the top pair (likely) with Mintyukov in the future and RHS goal scoring forwards, preferably that can win faceoffs. The RHS may not be as big of an issue with Sennecke, Terry, and Colangelo at various points in the system. So unless it's McTavish (probably with an add) for a better player that fits a bigger need, it probably isn't worth moving him.

Would Nemec be enough? Or Mercer plus ?