Value of: Mason McTavish? For reals?

[Perratrooper]

While the thought of Trouba/Gudas/Manson down the right feels kind of nice (in the sense that completing a set of worn-out memorabilia items might feel nice), that’s probably a very different discussion if you want to dump to facilitate another trade.

I’m not saying that Manson has crazy high value by any means, but I definitely wouldn’t consider him a cap dump. He’s had a rougher start to season prior to the injury, but I’m sure a lot of teams would be very interested in him.

Obviously given the makeup of the Ducks he likely isn’t a great fit, but would be wild to have that right side defense haha

 

[WhatTheDuck]

He was at a 55 point pace last year in his age 21 season, on a team that produced one player with exactly 60 points. This isn't a sell low for nickles situation just because his first quarter of a season (wrapped around an injury) was disappointing on a team that could not score to start the year.

However, if the Ducks were looking to package one of their young forwards in a deal that brings back more of a sure thing, McTavish makes the most sense in my opinion.

Selling him for lower upside pieces and throw ins, makes absolutely zero sense for a team already short on higher end talent.

I did float out the idea of McTavish (RFA) for Cozens (5 years remaining at 7.1M). I think a player would need 5 years minimum of cost control for the Ducks to make sense out of moving key assets. Cozens is two years older and a bit more established but young enough to fit the direction, might be a better fit along side Carlsson, Zegras, Gauthier etc. Both are early picks, down years, not someone either side would be selling without getting something they see as likewise foundational in return.

 

[Knight]

I would think it would be McTavish+ (whether picks or one of their many young dmen) for someone more established who can pop in some goals. Can't see them moving him for picks/parts.

Is it real? Who the hell knows, the Ducks aren't exactly known for being leaky. But Zegras was looking really good at C before he got hurt and word was the team has been truly happy with his progress, while McTavish has been spotty all year, so perhaps they've finally decided Carlsson-Zegras is their 1-2 of the future down the middle?

Any interest in McAvoy? What would you add to McTavish?

 

[MakoSlade]

Simon Nemec maybe? Any reason McT isn't scoring this year?

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I appreciate Mario Ferraro’s inclusion in the elite players with term

I do think at some point, someone will offer stupid vale for him because he plays hard and he’s youngish, but the term elite is bizarre.

Nobody in the league blocks shots like Mario does. Isn't that the meaning of elite? I'm willing to start the bidding at a 3rd rd pick

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Simon Nemec maybe? Any reason McT isn't scoring this year?

The Ducks already have an (over) abundance of young, talented but unestablished defensemen. They have been rotating Mintyukov, Lacombe and Zellweger out of the lineup since acquiring Trouba. McTavish could be part of a package for a proven high end D but swapping him for a young Dman wouldn't make sense.

Part of a package for star talent, or maybe in a core shakeup trade for another young forward of similar ilk. Otherwise no reason to move him.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Simon Nemec maybe? Any reason McT isn't scoring this year?

Nobody on Anaheim is scoring this year....

Cronin aint a NHL head coach... his system is dog shit.

Any interest in McAvoy? What would you add to McTavish?

If we move Mctavish i think we need a forwards coming back....

I think it would be some sort of package deal

McTavish + (+) for a more established bigger fish.

 

[StreetHawk]

He was at a 55 point pace last year in his age 21 season, on a team that produced one player with exactly 60 points. This isn't a sell low for nickles situation just because his first quarter of a season (wrapped around an injury) was disappointing on a team that could not score to start the year.

However, if the Ducks were looking to package one of their young forwards in a deal that brings back more of a sure thing, McTavish makes the most sense in my opinion.

Selling him for lower upside pieces and throw ins, makes absolutely zero sense for a team already short on higher end talent.

I did float out the idea of McTavish (RFA) for Cozens (5 years remaining at 7.1M). I think a player would need 5 years minimum of cost control for the Ducks to make sense out of moving key assets. Cozens is two years older and a bit more established but young enough to fit the direction, might be a better fit along side Carlsson, Zegras, Gauthier etc. Both are early picks, down years, not someone either side would be selling without getting something they see as likewise foundational in return.

Ana needs to do something to really turn the corner, but don't need to rush a move. Doesn't seem like any F is taking a big step forward this season. This would be year 7 out of PO. And they've had 10 firsts and 9 seconds or something over the prior 6 drafts since missing the PO in 2019. On pace for a 70 point season so about 10 points better than last season but would still be over 22 or so behind the pace of WC2 in the West, so still a bunch of ground to make up next season.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Ana needs to do something to really turn the corner, but don't need to rush a move. Doesn't seem like any F is taking a big step forward this season. This would be year 7 out of PO. And they've had 10 firsts and 9 seconds or something over the prior 6 drafts since missing the PO in 2019. On pace for a 70 point season so about 10 points better than last season but would still be over 22 or so behind the pace of WC2 in the West, so still a bunch of ground to make up next season.

They really didn't commit to a full rebuild until Verbeek's first deadline (2022) when he sold off Lindholm, Manson and Rakell in short order. In those final years under Bob Murray, they were out of the playoffs but still focused on winning more than the future. So while it's been many years out of contention, we are in season three post tear down.

That said we are at the point of a rebuild where you want to see progress starting, and we are still way too dogshit overall. They haven't added enough quality vets to support the kids and I don't think Cronin is much of an improvement on Eakins - this group needs an established quality NHL head coach to get them organized. I do hesitate to start moving core pieces without ever seeing them under a good coach

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Ana needs to do something to really turn the corner, but don't need to rush a move. Doesn't seem like any F is taking a big step forward this season. This would be year 7 out of PO. And they've had 10 firsts and 9 seconds or something over the prior 6 drafts since missing the PO in 2019. On pace for a 70 point season so about 10 points better than last season but would still be over 22 or so behind the pace of WC2 in the West, so still a bunch of ground to make up next season.

What we’re doing now isn’t really working…..

We’re not exactly a free agent destination…. Our best bet is a significant trade.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

They really didn't commit to a full rebuild until Verbeek's first deadline (2022) when he sold off Lindholm, Manson and Rakell in short order. In those final years under Bob Murray, they were out of the playoffs but still focused on winning more than the future. So while it's been many years out of contention, we are in season three post tear down.

That said we are at the point of a rebuild where you want to see progress starting, and we are still way too dogshit overall. They haven't added enough quality vets to support the kids and I don't think Cronin is much of an improvement on Eakins - this group needs an established quality NHL head coach to get them organized. I do hesitate to start moving core pieces without ever seeing them under a good coach

A lot of our vets I feel are hurting the kids… what we need is a guy between the older players and younger plays.

Necas woulda been good
Brady would be good
These types

But to get those we’ll have to move on from 1 of carlsson zegras mctavish sennecke or cutter.

For me mctavish is the easiest to move on from

 

[FiveTacos]

Colorado would probably part with Manson+ if the Ducks had any interest in a reunion

Doubt it. The Trouba trade sort of eliminated the need for a veteran RHD, and they still have Helleson who has looked good, and still Luneau on the way.

Crazy that the '22 deadline may have given the Ducks 2/3 of their future RHD corps.

 

[bernmeister]

So I'm taking a break and reading ESPN on the NHL (yes, yes, I know), specifically this article:

NHL trade tiers Big Board: Kreider, Rossi, Provorov among players generating buzz

While the trade deadline isn't until March 7, significant trades have already happened. Here are 68 players who could join a new team.

www.espn.com

And in their list of "elite pending free agents" they're sugesting as up for trade, they include... Mason McTavish?

I dunno if I'm looking at wild-ass speculation or if there's actually legitimately something there. In any case, what would the Ducks be looking for? (I imagine it'd be a heck of a lot since it seems more than a little early to give up on him, but if there's Something Else going on...)

OP is credible, responsible poster
props on citing source

that said, at this pt don't see Ducks actively shopping McT
courtesy listen to any/all offers? sure
but serious?
doubt it -- would have to be overpay enuf = exception to the rule

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

OP is credible, responsible poster
props on citing source

that said, at this pt don't see Ducks actively shopping McT
courtesy listen to any/all offers? sure
but serious?
doubt it -- would have to be overpay enuf = exception to the rule

Kinda like the zegras stuff the last year +.

Anaheim has to look for ways to improve roster…. If we can upgrade mctavish…. Sure I’d do it. I think zegras is better than mctavish and will be better….. build around zegras cutter carlsson and sennecke up front.

 

[StreetHawk]

What we’re doing now isn’t really working…..

We’re not exactly a free agent destination…. Our best bet is a significant trade.

Ana isn’t at the point where FA will want to go there yet. On pace for 70 points so still over 20 away from the PO. Ufas at 29 like a Guentzal for example would not want to spend another 2-3 years out of the PO and make it in years 3-5 and potentially end up getting moved in years 6-7 to open up cap space as their productivity drops.
Might as well join a PO caliber team right away

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Ana isn’t at the point where FA will want to go there yet. On pace for 70 points so still over 20 away from the PO. Ufas at 29 like a Guentzal for example would not want to spend another 2-3 years out of the PO and make it in years 3-5 and potentially end up getting moved in years 6-7 to open up cap space as their productivity drops.
Might as well join a PO caliber team right away

Ya so either we continue to grind out with what we have and take those tier 2 over paid vets like gudas, strome, killorn.

Or we make a big trade to try to boost the team.

I also think changing coach is prob good for another 20 points on its own lol

 

[StreetHawk]

They really didn't commit to a full rebuild until Verbeek's first deadline (2022) when he sold off Lindholm, Manson and Rakell in short order. In those final years under Bob Murray, they were out of the playoffs but still focused on winning more than the future. So while it's been many years out of contention, we are in season three post tear down.

That said we are at the point of a rebuild where you want to see progress starting, and we are still way too dogshit overall. They haven't added enough quality vets to support the kids and I don't think Cronin is much of an improvement on Eakins - this group needs an established quality NHL head coach to get them organized. I do hesitate to start moving core pieces without ever seeing them under a good coach

Murray wasn’t exactly signing free agents and the sort from 2019 til he stepped away the way Doug Wilson was doing in SJ. Bought out Perry because he wasn’t a good fit for kids to kickstart the rebuild like Getzlaf.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Murray wasn’t exactly signing free agents and the sort from 2019 til he stepped away the way Doug Wilson was doing in SJ. Bought out Perry because he wasn’t a good fit for kids to kickstart the rebuild like Getzlaf.

He just sort of had them floating in directionless purgatory for those years.

 

[Chainshot]

any relation to craig mctavish?

He plays in the states, so there is no extra "a". But if he was in Canada, totally.

 

[Mackiaveli]

The most obvious guess would be a two-way force of a RHD, but we all know how rare those are.

Habs and Ducks remain interesting partners to me as the Ducks have young players that fit the Habs timeline and the Habs have interesting prospects that fit the Verbeek style they are trying to build towards.

 

[FiveTacos]

Murray wasn’t exactly signing free agents and the sort from 2019 til he stepped away the way Doug Wilson was doing in SJ. Bought out Perry because he wasn’t a good fit for kids to kickstart the rebuild
like Getzlaf.

Yeah but he didn't really commit to a full on rebuild either. Otherwise the name veterans would have been moved 1-3 years sooner. He sort of rode the fence, which I think is the worst place to be. Either go all in and push like crazy with the vets you have, or start at least a partial teardown and get younger.

 

[Rec T]

Is he available? Sure, most anyone on the team not named Carlsson or Dostal is I'd imagine ... but it will cost you. As was mentioned a few times, 'if' he's moved it would probably be in a package of him plus one of the young excess Dmen (or perhaps Fowler if the right team is enquiring). And that would pretty much only be for a relatively young but more established star level forward. So it's going to hurt & not just be some random picks & lower level prospects.

But before all of that, I'd 'really' like to see how everyone does under a more coherent coach.

 

[thedjpd]

McTavish + lower tiered C prospect for Tippett + Risto?

Big RH forward, big RH D (who has played very well this year - even spot duty on top pair). Both signed. Anaheim has cap space but I'm sure Flyers can retain (on Risto) or take back a dump if it's helpful.

I'd offer a deal around Bonk but the previous post said they'd prefer a vet in that role? Hence Risto. Anyway, not sure. I suck at these.

I just think Flyers and Ducks are really good partners. Flyers have a lot of right shooting wingers, and a few right handed D men who are playing well of the defensive variety (Bonk, Risto, Grans) and need Cs. Ducks opposite - they have lot of Cs and need other positions. There's a deal to be had, for sure.

 

[bernmeister]

Kinda like the zegras stuff the last year +.

Anaheim has to look for ways to improve roster…. If we can upgrade mctavish…. Sure I’d do it. I think zegras is better than mctavish and will be better….. build around zegras cutter carlsson and sennecke up front.

McT + Zegras + ANA 2026 + 2027 2nds + Helleson
for
LaF + KAM + Lindgren

something like that?

 

[BHFAN92]

what about something around Conor Murphy RHD 50% retained, Lucas Reichel ,and Toronto's 2025 1st?