Player Discussion Mason Lohrei

[Mr. Make-Believe]

They may be starting to view Peeke as their #2RD. Last night, in what was a big game for Boston, Carlo played 16 minutes while Peeke played 18.

Or maybe they're seeing what life would look like without Carlo?

Peeke has many of the same issues that Carlo does and by no means do I believe he is the better option.

But I think you may be right. Deployment between them has not been… it’s been pretty much the same over the last five games (at least).

I’m all for moving Carlo and getting another player in here who can make a play with the puck on their stick.

 

[Number8]

Big difference is at 24 I had my whole like in front of me to develop my skills. He'e a fing D-man playing in the NHL but probably not long, that his lifetime to improve

Has he is game improved ? Not a fing bit. Actually it has, he's worse

Your analogy is dumb and not relevant,

No offense, but if this kind of thinking represents the depth of your skills, I think they might have been right about you at 24.

Progress has either been really poor or you were starting from ground zero.

And before you assume that's a personal shot, I'd honestly say that to anyone who so unequivocally states that a defenseman who has hit rough patches at 23/24 is done and can in no way progress any further.

 

[BruinDust]

Something tells me McAvoy would be better if there's a RD with skill as the #2 to push him and not a plug like Carlo.

Lohrei is never going to be elite and we have expensive LD in place. He was good last playoffs so I can be patient but I don't think he ever will put up a ton of offense. It's basically another gryzluk just bigger but worse defensively.

I have the same sort of feeling when it comes to McAvoy and Carlo.

Disagree on Lohrei though. I think his upside offensively is very high, has offensive instincts you can't teach, light year's ahead of Gryz who was nowhere near as dynamic offensively.

The biggest question for me with Lohrei is will his defensive play improve enough that he's not a 3rd pair D/PP specialist type? If this kid can figure it out on the defensive side of the puck he's a Top 4 D-man all-day long. I said in an earlier post that you look at the complete lack of offensive talent up front, then consider how reliant D-men are on their forwards scoring to put up points, Lohrei's offensive numbers this year are pretty impressive. A 35-40 pt. pace for a D-man is no joke on a good offensive team let alone a offensive bottom-feeder like this year's Bruins.

 

[Kegs]

I have the same sort of feeling when it comes to McAvoy and Carlo.

Disagree on Lohrei though. I think his upside offensively is very high, has offensive instincts you can't teach, light year's ahead of Gryz who was nowhere near as dynamic offensively.

The biggest question for me with Lohrei is will his defensive play improve enough that he's not a 3rd pair D/PP specialist type? If this kid can figure it out on the defensive side of the puck he's a Top 4 D-man all-day long. I said in an earlier post that you look at the complete lack of offensive talent up front, then consider how reliant D-men are on their forwards scoring to put up points, Lohrei's offensive numbers this year are pretty impressive. A 35-40 pt. pace for a D-man is no joke on a good offensive team let alone an offensive bottom-feeder like this year's Bruins.

I’m not convinced you can teach defensive instincts either to be honest. I don’t think Lohreis defence is that horrible for a second year pro though. I think it will get better as he gets more confident.

 

[Saxon Eric]

The whole defense is having a down year, that doesn't help with his development at all.

Also be nice to get a timely save from our overpaid goalie

 

[BruinDust]

Peeke has many of the same issues that Carlo does and by no means do I believe he is the better option.

But I think you may be right. Deployment between them has not been… it’s been pretty much the same over the last five games (at least).

I’m all for moving Carlo and getting another player in here who can make a play with the puck on their stick.

Wonder if a 3-way deal could be worked out that sees Boston bring in Rasmus Andersson, Carlo goes to Team XYZ, and Team XYZ sends Calgary the young assets it's seeking in return. Carlo and Andersson are same age (born a month apart), roughly same salary, Carlo is signed for one more year (2 more years vs. 1 more for Andersson).

A top 4 of McAvoy/Andersson/Zadorov/Hampus feels like a more versatile group.

 

[BruinDust]

I’m not convinced you can teach defensive instincts either to be honest. I don’t think Lohreis defence is that horrible for a second year pro though. I think it will get better as he gets more confident.

Disagree not 100% but 110%. Harry Sinden used to say that any player can defend well, which is maybe the only thing I ever agreed with from him. It's just a matter of bringing it out of them. Technique and positioning can be taught, systems explained, players can be motivated to work hard without the puck. Especially working hard without the puck. Doesn't mean Lohrei will turn into Chris Pronger with some effective coaching, but the right coaches can get him where he needs to be.

Is Jay Leach that guy? I'm not so sure.

 

[Kegs]

Disagree not 100% but 110%. Harry Sinden used to say that any player can defend well, which is maybe the only thing I ever agreed with from him. It's just a matter of bringing it out of them. Technique and positioning can be taught, systems explained, players can be motivated to work hard without the puck. Especially working hard without the puck. Doesn't mean Lohrei will turn into Chris Pronger with some effective coaching, but the right coaches can get him where he needs to be.

Is Jay Leach that guy? I'm not so sure.

It’s such a fast game that being on the right side of the puck is purely instinctual. Other wise players like Ryan spooner would have been great. I don’t think they are trying to not play defence well. It’s just not part of their toolbox. You can try to play properly defence by being in the right position but if you’re a quarter second too late it’s not going to be good enough.

 

[BruinDust]

It’s such a fast game that being on the right side of the puck is purely instinctual. Other wise players like Ryan spooner would have been great. I don’t think they are trying to not play defence well. It’s just not part of their toolbox. You can try to play properly defence by being in the right position but if you’re a quarter second too late it’s not going to be good enough.

Instincts (or quick reads) do play a part, no question. That's what separates a Patrice Bergeron from random 4th line defensive center.

Absolutely disagree strong defensive play is purely instinctual. It's a combination of so many things as previously mentioned. And that's true at every level of hockey.

Size and strength plays a part too. A smaller, lighter players is going to have a harder time defending well compared to a bigger player generally speaking.

And let's not forget reach, ask Zdeno Chara, which is a huge factor especially now with players using longer sticks than before. Something Lohrei has in spades.

 

[mjhfb]

Disagree not 100% but 110%. Harry Sinden used to say that any player can defend well, which is maybe the only thing I ever agreed with from him. It's just a matter of bringing it out of them. Technique and positioning can be taught, systems explained, players can be motivated to work hard without the puck. Especially working hard without the puck. Doesn't mean Lohrei will turn into Chris Pronger with some effective coaching, but the right coaches can get him where he needs to be.

Is Jay Leach that guy? I'm not so sure.

We see no indication that he is that guy to teach any Bruins defenseman so far.

 

[BruinDust]

We see no indication that he is that guy to teach any Bruins defenseman so far.

You don't need to be a great player to be a great coach certainly but I look at Leach's career numbers in the AHL and wonder if he's the right guy. Certainly it's his first year here and it coincides with the worst year we've seen out of many of our D-men. McAvoy/Carlo/Lohrei are all underperforming in certain areas compared to last year. Hampus gets an incomplete grade. Peeke wasn't here long enough last year to compare.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Wonder if a 3-way deal could be worked out that sees Boston bring in Rasmus Andersson, Carlo goes to Team XYZ, and Team XYZ sends Calgary the young assets it's seeking in return. Carlo and Andersson are same age (born a month apart), roughly same salary, Carlo is signed for one more year (2 more years vs. 1 more for Andersson).

A top 4 of McAvoy/Andersson/Zadorov/Hampus feels like a more versatile group.

I think you’d have to pay a pretty big price to get Andersson out of Calgary… But I’d be willing to pay it. He’d be a massive addition.

 

[BruinDust]

I think you’d have to pay a pretty big price to get Andersson out of Calgary… But I’d be willing to pay it. He’d be a massive addition.

Does Carlo get you the 1st rounder + prospect/young player they are supposedly asking for?

Wrong thread maybe but what is Brandon Carlo's value?

 

[Over the volcano]

I wanted to trade Carlo for Erik Karlsson two summers ago.

Can only imagine how loved Karlsson would be here at 10mil/season.

 

[BruinDust]

Can only imagine how loved Karlsson would be here at 10mil/season.

If Boston had gotten the version of Karlsson that was 2nd in EV scoring behind only McDavid in 2022-23, he'd be loved. Do Bruins fans have something against 100 pt. D-men?

Unfortunately we'd of gotten the same version Pittsburgh got and it would of been a disaster. Boston, like Pittsburgh, would of found out that Karlsson needs the offense to run through him to get the most out of him. To quote James Harden, he's not a systems player, he is the system.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

No offense, but if this kind of thinking represents the depth of your skills, I think they might have been right about you at 24.

Progress has either been really poor or you were starting from ground zero.

And before you assume that's a personal shot, I'd honestly say that to anyone who so unequivocally states that a defenseman who has hit rough patches at 23/24 is done and can in no way progress any further.

Sure dude, I own a company that employees 25 people for 40 years so yes Im dumb as a rock lol

Do you need a job?

That's nothing personal

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Coyle you fing SUCK