Player Discussion Martin Pospisil: 2018 4th round, 105th overall

[Tbaybruin]

I know, right? but honestly, if we could get Beecher and a 2nd for Pospisil, I think we'd do it.

Wish you were GM

 

[Some Other Flame]

It'd take a Tanner Jeannot like overpayment to pry him out of Calgary right now.

He was given a chance by Conroy when many given up on him specifically because of his overwhelming ability to irritate. Which is why I doubt the Flames would even consider moving him; they really really value that presence on the roster.

 

[User1996]

Devils advocate - as much as we all like the player. How much does injury history play a role in evaluating whether or not to move him?

 

[Figgy44]

Devils advocate - as much as we all like the player. How much does injury history play a role in evaluating whether or not to move him?

See: Micheal Ferland, Lance Bouma and Sean Monahan.

Better to have something than nothing if you cannot afford to end up with nothing.

Ferland we sold high in the Hanifin/Lindholm trade.
Bouma ended up becoming valueless while with us due to constant injuries.
Monahan ended up negative value while with us.

Pospisil IMO is closer to the Bouma range with the slightest reduction of recklessness right now. I'd keep him unless we can extract insane value out of him like the Ferland range.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

It'd take a Tanner Jeannot like overpayment to pry him out of Calgary right now.

He was given a chance by Conroy when many given up on him specifically because of his overwhelming ability to irritate. Which is why I doubt the Flames would even consider moving him; they really really value that presence on the roster.

NGL had to look up that reference. Holey moley:

• 2023-Feb-26 Traded from Nashville Predators to Tampa Bay Lightning for Cal Foote, round 3 pick in the 2023 draft (Dylan MacKinnon), round 4 pick in the 2023 draft (Jayson Shaugabay), round 5 pick in the 2023 draft (Kevin Bicker), round 2 pick in the 2024 draft (Igor Chernyshov) and round 1 pick in the 2025 draft

 

[Mobiandi]

Trading a homegrown NHL talent during a rebuild would certainly be a choice

 

[HighLifeMan]

He makes just 1M for two more years.
He was 6th in the NHL among all forwards in hits despite playing just 63 games.
He showed the ability to forecheck and push possession at an extremely high level.
His underlaying metrics are elite.
He has has positional versatility.
He was 5th on the team in pts/60 at five on five.
He was 2nd in individual expected goals per 60
He was 2nd in individual high danger corsi
He was 1st in rush attempts/60
He was 2nd in penalties drawn/60

Pospisil touches every area of the game and drags his teammates into the fight. He is exactly the type of guy that Conroy is targeting and building around. Yes - his injury history is certainly a concern, but this kid is a rare breed who can impact games in multiple ways.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

He makes just 1M for two more years.
He was 6th in the NHL among all forwards in hits despite playing just 63 games.
He showed the ability to forecheck and push possession at an extremely high level.
His underlaying metrics are elite.
He has has positional versatility.
He was 5th on the team in pts/60 at five on five.
He was 2nd in individual expected goals per 60
He was 2nd in individual high danger corsi
He was 1st in rush attempts/60
He was 2nd in penalties drawn/60

Pospisil touches every area of the game and drags his teammates into the fight. He is exactly the type of guy that Conroy is targeting and building around. Yes - his injury history is certainly a concern, but this kid is a rare breed who can impact games in multiple ways.

legit we almost have a modern day Lucic (prime Lucic) and people are comparing him to Bouma lol

 

[Figgy44]

legit we almost have a modern day Lucic (prime Lucic) and people are comparing him to Bouma lol

That comparison is in terms of injury concerns and potential of him basically ending his own career due to recklessness. Compare that with do we want additional assets before this happens or no. It's not a raw talent comparison.

I'm on the side of keeping Pospisil for his whole career unless someone blows our pants off like Ferland in the Hanifin/Lindholm trade.

 

[Some Other Flame]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844395093140390179

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844397759526469685

 

[joescores]

1 mil for this and next season !

I will keep protesting till Conroy doesn't pay him extra.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

1 mil for this and next season !

I will keep protesting till Conroy doesn't pay him extra.

You realize that he literally cannot pay him extra, right?

 

[joescores]

You realize that he literally cannot pay him extra, right?

His contract can be extended/reviewed. Why would he do it is the question, but the moral story is- he fleeced Martin badly.

 

[vlady]

Has the fastest burst in the league to this point

 

[joescores]

Has the fastest burst in the league to this point

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Is that it? I thought skates could generate higher speed compared to i.e. pure running/sprint. Thiery Henry could run at 39 km/h- faster than Pospi on skates (and I am not denying Pospi's record)!

Interesting.

 

[vlady]

Is that it? I thought skates could generate higher speed compared to i.e. pure running/sprint. Thiery Henry could run at 39 km/h- faster than Pospi on skates (and I am not denying Pospi's record)!

Interesting.

not necessarily, but it's certainly easier to maintain that speed for longer

 

[Lunatik]

His contract can be extended/reviewed. Why would he do it is the question, but the moral story is- he fleeced Martin badly.

No it can't. The CBA doesn't allow contract negotiations and hasn't in 20 years. He's also not eligible for an extension (which is really just a new contract that begins when this one ends) until the first day of the final year of his contract.

Is that it? I thought skates could generate higher speed compared to i.e. pure running/sprint. Thiery Henry could run at 39 km/h- faster than Pospi on skates (and I am not denying Pospi's record)!

Interesting.

Running/sprinting isn't enclosed in a hockey rink with bodies and boards to slow them down

 

[Yepthatsme]

Is that it? I thought skates could generate higher speed compared to i.e. pure running/sprint. Thiery Henry could run at 39 km/h- faster than Pospi on skates (and I am not denying Pospi's record)!

Interesting.

The average sprinter takes roughly 60m to get to their top speed they’ll reach in the 100m dash. Blue line to blue line is about 15m, and there are obstacles (opponents) as well as going head down full tilt in a game just isn’t very effective.

To put it in perspective, highest recorded speed in an NHL game is 40.9 km/h, while a long track speed skater can hit 60+.

 

[Lunatik]

The average sprinter takes roughly 60m to get to their top speed they’ll reach in the 100m dash. Blue line to blue line is about 15m, and there are obstacles (opponents) as well as going head down full tilt in a game just isn’t very effective.

To put it in perspective, highest recorded speed in an NHL game is 40.9 km/h, while a long track speed skater can hit 60+.

the speed skating world record is f***ing staggering at over 100km/h, the record for a sprinter is just under 45km/h

 

[Anglesmith]

I think just physics-wise, running has a much greater initial acceleration because your feet don't tend to slide backwards at all as you push, and you push straight backwards. But continuing to move at speed is exhausting for a runner, let alone speeding up further. When skating, you don't need to keep your feet going at the rate you are going like a runner does. You can push and glide as you see fit and still speed up over time.

So yeah, given enough room a skater will go faster for sure. But it's rare that they get that room.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I think just physics-wise, running has a much greater initial acceleration because your feet don't tend to slide backwards at all as you push, and you push straight backwards. But continuing to move at speed is exhausting for a runner, let alone speeding up further. When skating, you don't need to keep your feet going at the rate you are going like a runner does. You can push and glide as you see fit and still speed up over time.

So yeah, given enough room a skater will go faster for sure. But it's rare that they get that room.

Actually fun physics fact, pushing out to the side is capable of producing much more straight forward force on skates than just pushing backwards.

Less fun fact, if your drive foot was doing any sliding back as you skated, I have some terrible news about your skating stride.