Martin Jones

[Kingspiracy]

The NHL page are covering the Sharks today in their 30 in 30 series which got me thinking about ex king Martin Jones and the Lucic trade.

Did Sweeney (the Boston GM) give Lombardi a big FU by trading Jones to one of our biggest rivals (would Lombardi have made the trade knowing this)

How do you think Jones will do in a No1 role in that kacky teal colour?

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[kilowatt]

The NHL page are covering the Sharks today in their 30 in 30 series which got me thinking about ex king Martin Jones and the Lucic trade.

Did Sweeney (the Boston GM) give Lombardi a big FU by trading Jones to one of our biggest rivals (would Lombardi have made the trade knowing this)

How do you think Jones will do in a No1 role in that kacky teal colour?

If I remember correctly, it was pretty well known that San Jose (amongst other teams) was going to offer-sheet Jones. Lombardi didn't really care where Jones ended up (and likely suspected San Jose); he just wanted to get something for him.

 

[Kingspiracy]

If I remember correctly, it was pretty well known that San Jose (amongst other teams) was going to offer-sheet Jones. Lombardi didn't really care where Jones ended up (and likely suspected San Jose); he just wanted to get something for him.

It was obvious we were going to struggle to re sign him, but I wasn't aware that the Sharks were likely to go the offersheet route. I'm not totally convinced on Jones as a starter, but I would have preferred to keep him out of the sharks team,.

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Couldn't the Sharks have offersheeted Jones when on the Bruins? They signed him to a 3mill contract (which would have only required a 2nd round pick in compensation) after trading a 1st + a meh prospect for him.

 

[Bandit]

I don't think Lombardi is losing any sleep over the Sharks relying on a guy with 34 total NHL games under his belt to be their starter.

 

[kingsboy11]

I'm not worried at all about Jones being the starter in San Jose. After his rookie year, he was mediocre at best for the Kings. I do think Jones has what it takes to be a starter, but I think he needed another year before he was ready. I don't think Jones will fare well this upcoming season behind that sharks defense.

 

[kingsfan]

If I remember correctly, it was pretty well known that San Jose (amongst other teams) was going to offer-sheet Jones. Lombardi didn't really care where Jones ended up (and likely suspected San Jose); he just wanted to get something for him.

I'd like to know where it was said it was likely SJ was going to offersheet him. Offersheets are very rare, especially tog goalies. I think only one goalie ever has been offersheeted, and that was 20 years ago.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Lombardi gave all Kings fans a big FU by trading that whole package for one year Lucic.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Just another player that will become grossly overrated because he isn't on the Kings anymore. Can't wait until Enroth gives up a softie - "That wouldn't happen if Jones was in net!"

 

[Ron*]

Lombardi gave all Kings fans a big FU by trading that whole package for one year Lucic.

We weren't going to sign Jones anyway. Come on now, get with the program. You are headed directly into Kurillino territory.

 

[scryan]

I ****ing love Jones. Was not a huge fan of Scrivens (didn't hate... but he is bad at skating, and our D really really helped him with the awesome stats he had here)

I think if Jones is #1 next year, especially if they don't do a 1A 1B thing, it will be bad. He does good. did good... but I don't think he is ready for his own season yet.

I think there is at least a 20% chance Jones is bad next season and carries the blame for SJ's lack of success.

We weren't going to sign Jones anyway. Come on now, get with the program. You are headed directly into Kurillino territory.

I guess I am just ignorant. I thought we were going to have a decent chance to have another year or two grooming Jones @ like 1.3 (low end of the 1+ mill range). What is he, like 3mil/year... Yeah were not paying that for sure, I would be annoyed if we did.

 

[deeshamrock]

The NHL page are covering the Sharks today in their 30 in 30 series which got me thinking about ex king Martin Jones and the Lucic trade.

Did Sweeney (the Boston GM) give Lombardi a big FU by trading Jones to one of our biggest rivals (would Lombardi have made the trade knowing this)

How do you think Jones will do in a No1 role in that kacky teal colour?

DL had to trade him, Jones wasn't signing with the Kings because he wants to be a starter, he's turning 26 this year and you can't blame him for that. He's a good goalie and will bet better with the increase in playing time, instead of sitting on the bench,. He'll do fine with the Sharks.

Sweeney won that deal. WHen the dust settled, the Bruins end up with 2 first round picks, MIller and a prospect for one of the dirtiest players in the NHL whose been declining for the last 3 yrs (and is a rental; Kings can't afford the 8 yr deal Lucic wants ,which is why the B's hadto move him. ) Sweeney had no intention of keeping Jones, not with Raask there. DL wanted Lucic badly and that was the price he had to pay. Jones and Talbot were the free agent goalies most sought so DL had to know somebody would pay a lot to get Jones. He can't control where the Bruins would flip him. DL's not dumb, he had to know with Raask on the team, that would happen.. .

 

[Jeff18]

The Lucic trade was alright. I don't think acquiring Jones threatens us in the least bit. It was our backup goalie, not Jonathan Quick. Sweeney and Wilson can do whatever they want, our team for next year is in pretty good shape (and better than their teams).

 

[deeshamrock]

The Lucic trade was alright. I don't think acquiring Jones threatens us in the least bit. It was our backup goalie, not Jonathan Quick. Sweeney and Wilson can do whatever they want, our team for next year is in pretty good shape (and better than their teams).

That's exactly right, as long as Quick was on LA Jones would never have a shot. And because he was a backup for the Kings doesn't mean he's andNHL backup. I think a lot of the posters here are selling him short. Being bitter because he didn't stay in LA, he had no choice , collecting splinters on the bench for years to come wasn't an option. And the Kings didn't do anything to improve their team and it won't be easy for them next year or the years after. THis league is now a very competitive one and the Kings (other than the short year, the lockout year) have bee a team that struggles badly thru 82, due to the tough and taxing system they play. They do that again this year, they will be fighting for a playoff spot.

Martin Jones as a starter, will get more ice time in critical game situations, which is what he and any other top end goalie ,need to grow, just like Quick did. He'll do fine in SJ.

 

[johnjm22]

If Jones market value was a 1st round pick, than I think Dean should have moved Jones separately from the Lucic deal.

We essentially gave up the equivalent value of 2 1st round picks and a quality D prospect for 1 year of Lucic at a low cap hit. Not a good deal in terms of value IMO.

If it turns out the Kings win another cup, then it's a fine trade, but right now it stings.

 

[kingsfan]

If Jones market value was a 1st round pick, than I think Dean should have moved Jones separately from the Lucic deal.

We essentially gave up the equivalent value of 2 1st round picks and a quality D prospect for 1 year of Lucic at a low cap hit. Not a good deal in terms of value IMO.

If it turns out the Kings win another cup, then it's a fine trade, but right now it stings.

I can't imagine another team that would have given that much for Jones other than SJ and I doubt LA is to interested in providing the state rival with a number one goalie.

 

[johnjm22]

I can't imagine another team that would have given that much for Jones other than SJ and I doubt LA is to interested in providing the state rival with a number one goalie.

What's the problem with trading him to SJ?

If they're willing to give the Kings a 1st rounder, DL shouldn't have thought twice about it.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Wilson has wanted Jones for years. That's why he was comfortable giving a much bigger package than others. He's said that he simply wasn't going to lose out on him. That wasn't FMV.

 

[kingsfan]

What's the problem with trading him to SJ?

If they're willing to give the Kings a 1st rounder, DL shouldn't have thought twice about it.

Rivals rarely trade with each other and when they do it's when one is rebuilding and the other is contending, often to get a rental player. Look at the history of trades between teams like Edm/Cal, NYR/NYI, LA/SJ, LA/ANA, Bos/Mont, etc. There is some trades but very few and far between for a reason.

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings current core has to win a cup within the next two years. Lombardi knows that.

No problem with Lombardi going for broke.

Martin Jones will be just fine in SJ, but the Sharks don't have the core to win a cup. Especially playing in the West, or hell even the Pacific. It's going to be a dog fight just to make the playoff's.

 

[Luc Gretzky]

I'd like to know where it was said it was likely SJ was going to offersheet him. Offersheets are very rare, especially tog goalies. I think only one goalie ever has been offersheeted, and that was 20 years ago.

Doug Wilson was interview on the Merek vs Wyschynski (sp :/) podcast, didn't 100% definitively say he would offer sheet jones, but said something like "it was something we were strongly considering". That's about as definitive as most GMs would say in the press IMO.

 

[Reclamation Project]

They were desperate for him and have wanted him for a long time. Hence, not FMV.

 

[Anonymous028]

If Jones market value was a 1st round pick, than I think Dean should have moved Jones separately from the Lucic deal.

We essentially gave up the equivalent value of 2 1st round picks and a quality D prospect for 1 year of Lucic at a low cap hit. Not a good deal in terms of value IMO.

If it turns out the Kings win another cup, then it's a fine trade, but right now it stings.

Not every team had a spare Lucic lying around, especially not San Jose.

Lucic is exactly what this team needed, and the only significant piece that LA gave up was the 1st round pick. Miller is a flavor of the week prospect, who is far as can be from a sure thing, and Jones is a backup who wanted paid like a starter.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Lombardi gave all Kings fans a big FU by trading that whole package for one year Lucic.

combine that with the Sekera trade and that's really mortgaging the future for a piece of "win now"

and so far the "win now" mentality has brought us... 1 year of Lucic

 

[cyclones22]

No, the win now mentality has brought us 2 Cups. I swear, some of you people. Trading for Richards was win now. Trading for Carter was win now. Trading for Gaborik was win now. Hell, trading for Penner and Regehr was too. All of those trades were trading futures for the opportunity to win now.

 

[kingsfan]

Doug Wilson was interview on the Merek vs Wyschynski (sp :/) podcast, didn't 100% definitively say he would offer sheet jones, but said something like "it was something we were strongly considering". That's about as definitive as most GMs would say in the press IMO.

So in other words the likely to offersheet stuff is blown out of context like 3/4 of the crap posted around here. Got it.

No, the win now mentality has brought us 2 Cups. I swear, some of you people. Trading for Richards was win now. Trading for Carter was win now. Trading for Gaborik was win now. Hell, trading for Penner and Regehr was too. All of those trades were trading futures for the opportunity to win now.

Exactly. We've been doing win now trades for 3 1/2 years now. And for the most part the end results have been utterly fantastic with three straight long playoff runs, two cups, and more playoff games than any other team in the NHL over those three years. Just trust DL until the results so otherwise.