Marner: Keep or Walk Poll

[thewave]

you gotta let him walk unless he is willing to sign at a 11 AAV with no NMCs/NTCs but of course that won't happen so he has gotta go.

He blocked Rantanen trade and then laid an egg in the playoffs now demanding 13+ AAV is something you do not do as a franchise if you are really in it to win.

re-signing marner is a guarantee that MLSE is not in it to win the cup they are all about selling jerseys

Leafs need a different look. Matthews has 3 more years and then I am sure he will either bail or will not be good enough to be "THE" guy even in regular season. Matthews isn't Ovi.

Gotta make the next 3 years count and that starts by not having marner and giving it a different look. If it doesn't work then so be it you go for another rebuild

11-12x8 no NMC is fine.

 

[Racer88]

94.9% say walk. Wow 5.1% say stay?!

That means 94.9 watch the games and 5.1% just check the expected stats the next morning

 

[rumman]

Should have a “who’s willing to drive him to the airport” option……..

 

[Racer88]

Don't think the Leafs will get the choice.

Mitch wants out.

Or Marner might not get the choice if the leafs tell him to hit the road

 

[PromisedLand]

11-12x8 no NMC is fine.

he won't sign a contract without ntc/nmc. Leafs need to go a different route anyway.

M. Tkachuk had enough respect for the Flames org and allowed a trade deal to be made.

Marner not only killed the Rantanen trade but laid an egg in the playoffs absolutely ruining the Leafs' future.

thats not the kinda player you want on your team. Marner can get his bag elsewhere. Leafs are closed for business as far as Marner is concerned.

 

[ULF_55]

Lipstick on a pig. What add on turns a team that craps their pants in games 4,5, and 7 of a series into a serious team? When the two main culprits, Matthews and Marner, are still there?

Team is just going to dance around the issue. Dance, dance, dance, no decisive actions whatsoever, Marner is going to make the call for us, eh?

The fresh start is more valuable than any cap space, more valuable than anything we get in a sign and trade.

It's about making the team better.

One change is Matthews doesn't play with marner, but for some reason the coaches continue to play the same losing hand.

So yes, letting marner walks takes that option from the coach.

Again, again, again doesn't matter marner isn't taking a discount.

This would be interesting though.

Knies - Bennett - marner

 

[seventieslord]

I posted this earlier but this is really the thread for this.

My dog's name is Mitch. Last night we decided we were going to go in a different direction.

 

[MK78]

I want Marner gone, but to play devil's advocate: we replace him with a 60-point player like Ehlers and miss the playoffs. Mitch wins us A LOT of games in November and March....

So what. the ultimate goal is never being achieved. For 10 years prior to this core we kept saying "just make the playoffs". Then we kept saying "win a round". And we're still stuck there.

The only one who benefits from the Leafs making the playoffs is MLSE & the NHL. The fans don't benefit from anything for supporting the team.

 

[Superstar]

It's about making the team better.

One change is Matthews doesn't play with marner, but for some reason the coaches continue to play the same losing hand.

So yes, letting marner walks takes that option from the coach.

Again, again, again doesn't matter marner isn't taking a discount.

This would be interesting though.

Knies - Bennett - marner

But Marner will still shoot 10 foot further away in the playoffs, and do his best to avoid contact.

 

[ULF_55]

But Marner will still shoot 10 foot further away in the playoffs, and do his best to avoid contact.

True, but Bennett plays like he's 6'3", 217 lbs.

 

[Superstar]

True, but Bennett plays like he's 6'3", 217 lbs.

Leafs could have had Knies-Matthews-Rantanen...I like that much better.

 

[hockey20000]

For what he'll command, we can get Kuzmenko + Ehlers/Boeser for just 1-2M more

Let his ass walk

Leafs/Jets hated each other, not sure if Ehlers would be interested in coming here.

Guys I would target with the freed up 22M from Marner and Tavares

1) Kuzmenko
2) Boeser
3) Ehlers
4) Provorov
5) Marchand


Easton Cowan is pretty much confirmed to be a Leaf next year, he'd be on the 3rd line, that's a super cheap effective player on an ELC

We'd be a lot deeper by letting Marner go

We can very likely add 2 of Kuzmenko/Boeser/Ehlers for around 15M, I'd much rather have that than Marner at 12 or 13

Take a run at Provorov and try and trade Rielly if he's willing to waive his NMC, would still need an answer for 2C.

I do want a change for 2C I think the room needs a big shake up, but honestly there aren't better options than JT and he's willing to take a paycut. If we can get him around 5-6M for 3 years I'd do it.

That would cost us the exact same as what Marner/Tavares have cost us, 22M. Even if it's a bit more it can work with Cowan coming in on an ELC and the likelihood of Pacioretty re-signing for cheap

We could have a top 9 of

Knies - Matthews - Boeser
Kuzmenko - Tavares - Nylander
Pacioretty - Laughton - Cowan

i like your plan apply for gm haha

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs could have had Knies-Matthews-Rantanen...I like that much better.

That ship left port, and is steaming ahead full steam.

 

[Leafs87]

I don’t like him at all, but at this point in terms of asset management, keep is the right call. That being said I don’t think it’s an option and he’ll likely leave

 

[colchar]

A sign & trade would be ideal, but no time left for that so we are looking at Bitch Marner leaving for nothing as a free agent. Addition by subtraction, the little bitch has to go.

 

[Superstar]

That ship left port, and is steaming ahead full steam.

Yes, it has...my point is Marner is not the one you win a championship with, and it doesn't appear Matthews is either, but Marner is the one without a contract. I think if we get another big winger who isn't shy about board battles and going to the front of the net, it changes the complexion of that line.

 

[ULF_55]

For what he'll command, we can get Kuzmenko + Ehlers/Boeser for just 1-2M more

Let his ass walk

Leafs/Jets hated each other, not sure if Ehlers would be interested in coming here.

Guys I would target with the freed up 22M from Marner and Tavares

1) Kuzmenko
2) Boeser
3) Ehlers
4) Provorov
5) Marchand


Easton Cowan is pretty much confirmed to be a Leaf next year, he'd be on the 3rd line, that's a super cheap effective player on an ELC

We'd be a lot deeper by letting Marner go

We can very likely add 2 of Kuzmenko/Boeser/Ehlers for around 15M, I'd much rather have that than Marner at 12 or 13

Take a run at Provorov and try and trade Rielly if he's willing to waive his NMC, would still need an answer for 2C.

I do want a change for 2C I think the room needs a big shake up, but honestly there aren't better options than JT and he's willing to take a paycut. If we can get him around 5-6M for 3 years I'd do it.

That would cost us the exact same as what Marner/Tavares have cost us, 22M. Even if it's a bit more it can work with Cowan coming in on an ELC and the likelihood of Pacioretty re-signing for cheap

We could have a top 9 of

Knies - Matthews - Boeser
Kuzmenko - Tavares - Nylander
Pacioretty - Laughton - Cowan

I wonder if Matthews would have any influence on Boeser's decision?
I think he'll sign with the Wild.

Who is Kuzmenko? A 30 goal or a 15 goal scorer?

 

[GlitchMarner]

I think his time here is over. Like with Kessel in 2015 (the year Mitch was drafted), it's time to go in a new direction.

I do wish him well in his future endeavors. There is no ill will.

I do think letting him go could cause the team to take a step back next year, but what's the alternative? How many more nights like last night and the night of G7 last year can he, the team and the fan base suffer through?

 

[notbias]

I think he will walk, and I think they will sign two players to eat up most of this cap on bloated contracts, and it won't be the top end free agents because they won't sign here.

I think it'll be something like Granlund + Nelson.

Those two (or something similar) + Knies extension will likely eat up most of the Tavares + Marner savings.

They will have enough to sign someone like Dvorak who is not much more than a name anymore.

 

[PromisedLand]

If you want an outside perspective, I would keep him. He's not the problem, just not well surrounded. He showed what he's capable of at the 4 Nations. Leafs need to get a real goalie and a couple of heavy forwards.

Marner has been a direct result of turnovers that have ended up in the Leafs' net meanwhile he continues to play perimeter hockey.

4 nations cup and NHL playoffs are different beast they are not comparable. NHL playoffs are more intense AND there is a hard salary cap.

Players like Marner only succeed in playoffs as secondary pieces not as primary pieces. Look at Kessel winning the cups playing behind Crosby and Malkin

Marner will never be the player who will lead his team to playoff success. he will a secondary piece not a primary piece. And you don't pay secondary piece a primary piece AAV and handcuff yourself. leafs have had 9 years of look at marner its time to move on as far as me as a Leafs fan is concerned

 

[WilliamInLondon]

Since we're speaking purely about hypotheticals, I would keep him in spite of his many detriments and shortcomings, only because I don't like what else is out there this offseason.

And I would only keep him at $12.5M x 8 with NO/LIMITED NTCs because of pure asset management. Marner would obviously never go for it, but these are the only conditions in which I would consider re-signing him. Light a fire under his ass every season going into the playoffs and jettison him for recoupable assets if McDavid or Kaprizov ever actually hit the open market lol.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

It's terrible asset management, but this is where we are at. It's time to move on.

You cannot win with Marner. He will not win a cup. 13 million on a forward that doesn't take over games and shrinks in the playoffs? No thank you.

It would be nice to sign him and trade him but any contract will be a no trade clause.

 

[thusk]

In best of world honestly

I would keep Marner around 12 and trade Nylander for 2 reason

1-If Matthews get injured again in regular season, intrust marner more than Nylander to carry the boat. Honestly if marner walk and matthews is injured again... Honestly if matthews is injured again, not sure leafs will stillnin playoff

2- I think it will be easier to build a playoff identity with Marner than Nylander.



If the player on bench just saw this from one of their 2 primary offensive leader... How do you think rest of the group will react? Do you really think they will respond positively? How do you want to create team work ethic and winning battle with a leader completly disengaged?!?!?!

You bring a bennett to play with nylander and nylander still playing that way, do you really think Bennett will change anything? He would not be able to bring work ethic of 2 player alone... he will just pursuit the puck all game long...

I have no doubt than a bennett would have a much higher alongside a Marner

Nylander is an amaizing player but for me he's look like Erik Karlsson. Incredible offensive player who doesn't fit in any team system because they only able to play their own way.

but at the end i dont thibk leafs had the choice...

 

[NVious]

I don’t like him at all, but at this point in terms of asset management, keep is the right call. That being said I don’t think it’s an option and he’ll likely leave

How is keep the right call for a guy that turns into a borderline 2nd liner for 14 million?

He is awful vibes, yelling at his team, calling them passengers meanwhile Twig Marner has done absolutely nothing at all in his failed career.

He doesn't hit, he doesn't fight, he doesn't lead, he doesn't score, he was a big part of the 0/30 pp in elimination games, he's arrogant, he's greedy.

Literal cancer in every sense.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

I want Marner gone, but to play devil's advocate: we replace him with a 60-point player like Ehlers and miss the playoffs. Mitch wins us A LOT of games in November and March....

Core is rotten and that Includes Matthews. I'm predicting this right now, The team won't win anything with Matthews on the team barring McDavid comes. If Matthews is your main leader, winning a Stanley Cup will be impossible. Need someone better than him to come in and lower his ego/take the Pressure off him.

Can't imagine I'll be watching many games going forward if Matthews is out main guy.

As for Mitch, he can't go soon enough.