Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part II

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Oh dreger...

 

[hullsy47]

I saw people saying the only person you trade Marner for is a Seth Jones type defenceman. Who would this be? Only guy I can think of is Ekblad but why would Florida do that?

ekblad in a heartbeat

 

[Erndog]

Oh dreger...

?

There's literally nothing in that tweet.

Kyle flew to freaken Switzerland to meet with Willy and his reps and the deal still took months and an overpay.

 

[Erndog]

I saw people saying the only person you trade Marner for is a Seth Jones type defenceman. Who would this be? Only guy I can think of is Ekblad but why would Florida do that?

Ekblad is absolutely wretched. He's a disaster and most Panther fans agree.

 

[ULF_55]

Well, they're talking well in advance of the draft so all options are available.

Being a GTA boy he should be doable, but where you are born is meaningless when it comes to greed.

Have to say his entourage wouldn't be missed if he's gone.

 

[jfc64]

I can't see the team viewing Kapanen as more being worth more than Hyman.

Maybe Hyman is on a lousy contract! And Kapanen should be compared to players around the league.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Ekblad is absolutely wretched. He's a disaster and most Panther fans agree.

He hasn't been that bad. He really has nobody else to play with. Yandle is bad in his own end now and the rest of their D-men are hot garbage.

He's had heavy DZS% each of the last two years and has put up good numbers despite that.

As long as the concussion issues are behind him he's the ideal partner for Rielly. They were great together in the world cup.

 

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?

There's literally nothing in that tweet.

Kyle flew to freaken Switzerland to meet with Willy and his reps and the deal still took months and an overpay.

It implies to me at least that marner and Ferris aren't waiting around for an offersheet

 

[ShaneFalco]

It implies to me at least that marner and Ferris aren't waiting around for an offersheet

Yeah despite what Dreger says, I kinda think both sides want to get this done and not have it turn into a circus like it did with Nylander

 

[ShaneFalco]

Maybe Hyman is on a lousy contract! And Kapanen should be compared to players around the league.

Kap didn't show much in the latter stages of the season and in the playoffs. Although I don't think he was paired with the right linemates either

 

[Mess]

The whole point is not to make excuses. If you have to rely on your players taking less than what they're worth, then you've already failed step-one as GM. Now it is a tough position for Dubas since Lou the organization with Marleau and Zaitsev's huge contracts, but it is 100% doable.

Look below at an extreme example of me moving off Marleau, Zaitsev, Horton, Brown's contracts (along with assets so teams take them). You have 8.2M left in cap-space, while signing Marner to a Tavares-size contract.

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& IF Marleau, Zaitsev and Horton (all highly unlikely) are not moved then what is the Marner contract impact on the Leafs roster..

PS. Not sure you're getting Kapanen resigned at $2 mil.

 

[Deebo]

The legitimacy of online commentators isn't what we're discussing. Nice attempt at distraction though..

All that's being asked is for some sort of evidence to support the claim that Marner is making McDavid/Crosby endorsement money, as the Athletic reported.

Instead of providing that, you want skeptics to provide evidence that the Athletics's writer is lying?!

Are you actually serious?

The published report by a credible media outlet with no history of false claims is the evidence. I have no reason to believe they are lying or making things up.

If you don't want to believe the report for whatever reason, that's on you.

 

[Deebo]

& IF Marleau, Zaitsev and Horton (all highly unlikely) are not moved then what is the Marner contract impact on the Leafs roster..

PS. Not sure you're getting Kapanen resigned at $2 mil.

Horton isn't that much of a problem this year since they aren't enough attainable performance bonuses for the Leafs to have to avoid using LTIR like they had to last year.

 

[Bomber0104]

The published report by a credible media outlet with no history of false claims is the evidence. I have no reason to believe they are lying or making things up.

If you don't want to believe the report for whatever reason, that's on you.

That's not evidence. It's speculation. If they had evidence of Marner's endorsement earnings, they would have published the findings and cited how they found them.

You know, actual journalism...

Instead they're basically resorting to Eklund-level speculation for gullible folks such as yourself.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

& IF Marleau, Zaitsev and Horton (all highly unlikely) are not moved then what is the Marner contract impact on the Leafs roster..

PS. Not sure you're getting Kapanen resigned at $2 mil.

Either Johnsson or Kapanen will re-sign at 2-2.5M for 1 or 2 years. Pick one and move on from the other.

At the mininum, Zaitsev and Brown have to be out. Way too costly to be paying a #5D and a depth RW 6.6M in total. After that, it's up to Dubas to pick one: Trade 1 of Marleau, Kadri.

It's what has to be done to keep this amazing core. Remember, we have Bracco, Timashov, Brooks coming as skilled Fs and Engvall, Marchment, Korkshov, Miklekynv (mispelt) coming as energy Fs who can play. We can move on from the filler Fs.

 

[Randy Randerson]

You can't let him sign an offersheet, having somebody else dictate your very tough cap situation is a bad idea, especially if your plan is to match but I'm more interested in putting a team together for next season at this point and Marner sitting or getting an offersheet look like bad news to me

I do think the offersheet stuff is overstated, good teams don't have the cap room and if you suck giving up 4 lottery picks so you can give Marner 11M+ doesn't seem particularly smart, I think Kapanen and Johnsson are better offersheet candidates personally

agree on the odds of it happening being low, but disagree on the offer sheet - if he signs one you have to try to have that be with a team whose picks are going to be high, and the higher the money the better so I would also signal that you're willing to match up to $11M so someone hamstrings themselves if they do go through with it. I think if he signs one, it's likely that Dubas lets him go unless it's a really reasonable number.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I'd do it for a merely useful defenseman, a prospect with a chance of becoming Marner (but is more likely to be a good top-six contributor), and some picks.

For example, if Minnesota's the parter, something around Dumba (plus) is the obvious Jones-Johansson style trade. But I'd also think there'd be a way to do something like Pateryn (or Spurgeon?), Kaprizov (or, since they're so keen to move him, Zucker?), MIN's 2019 1st (12th), and a second.

ya I could see that as well, I meant more like if you're trading Marner 1 for 1 it wouldn't be for someone who could become a Seth Jones, you'd want the Seth Jones because Marner is already a premier talent - like you wouldn't do it for Makar 1 for 1 kind of thing

 

[ACC1224]

agree on the odds of it happening being low, but disagree on the offer sheet - if he signs one you have to try to have that be with a team whose picks are going to be high, and the higher the money the better so I would also signal that you're willing to match up to $11M so someone hamstrings themselves if they do go through with it. I think if he signs one, it's likely that Dubas lets him go unless it's a really reasonable number.

How can they control that?

Any player that signs an offer sheet has one foot out the door anyway. I don't believe this will be the case for Marner but if so, it's probably best to cut ties.

 

[Deebo]

That's not evidence. It's speculation. If they had evidence of Marner's endorsement earnings, they would have published the findings and cited how they found them.

You know, actual journalism...

Instead they're basically resorting to Eklund-level speculation for gullible folks such as yourself.

Journals used unnamed sources all the time.

Eklund has a history of crap. The Athletic doesn't. I don't think they would stake their reputation on making a false claim that could easily be refuted if false.

I trust them due to their history and reputation, you don't, fine.

 

[Randy Randerson]

How can they control that?

Any player that signs an offer sheet has one foot out the door anyway. I don't believe this will be the case for Marner but if so, it's probably best to cut ties.

talk about retaliatory offer sheets when the media asks, at the GM meetings, etc. I think it's something you could also call each GM directly and tell them "you do it to mine, I'll do it to yours"

I looked through the teams that have enough cap space to sign him that are good enough that you wouldn't want them to, they all have something to lose by opening up an offer sheet war (post #306 in this thread)

I also agree that it's unlikely to happen, but Marner's camp is posturing for it as a negotiation tool (I'm assuming they're where Dreger is getting this info)

 

[biotk]

Maybe Hyman is on a lousy contract! And Kapanen should be compared to players around the league.

OK. Who do you want to compare him to? And his numbers were not good at all when not being played with Matthews.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I'm pretty sure anyone can build a lineup adding 7 ELC's to the team, Marleau and Zaitsev included.

Well ya that's the point, it's not that hard. Look at Boston.

 

[Deebo]

How can they control that?

Any player that signs an offer sheet has one foot out the door anyway. I don't believe this will be the case for Marner but if so, it's probably best to cut ties.

Matching worked out ok for Nashville with Weber.

 

[Bomber0104]

Journals used unnamed sources all the time.

Eklund has a history of crap. The Athletic doesn't. I don't think they could stake their reputation on making a false claim that could easily be refuted if false.

I trust them due to their history and reputation, you don't, fine.

You trust unsourced, unsubstantiated statements and I don't.

Got it.

 

[Deebo]

You trust unsourced, unsubstantiated statements and I don't.

Got it.

I trust that people with a solid reputation don't make up crap.