Marner contract update per Ferris

[JT AM da real deal]

The real issue as I have noted before is Leafs just have so much more money than everybody else in the NHL. It is stupid money the Leafs have. Someone at MLSE once told me Leafs have many many times the non hockey related revenue of any other team in the NHL. That is the real advantage. I think hockey side we are #1 too but it is close with Montreal and New York.

And when players see Shanny and Babs making mega millions more than any other team then they want more too. It is a human nature thing. The Leafs have to live up to being the CASH COWS of the league. And it is the fans and sponsors which make it all so. And the sponsors don't care either because they are ultimately feeding off the fan base too.

Neither Shanny or Babs can rally step up on this issue as everyone laughs in their faces and rightly so. Dubie is the only one who can. And really what can he do about it. And really nothing league can do either. They want their cash cow too. It helps out all the other teams.

 

[Notsince67]

Marner won't have 100 this year, 29 more games, has 65 right now, and D tightens up soon.

I assume you want Mitch on a 11m dollar contract?

He is on pace for over 100 with a powerplay that has been slumping. I dont want anyone to get paid these dollars but Dubas made this bed.

 

[mclaren55]

He made it to the cup finals and won multiple times, we haven't gotten out of round 1..so no. And mitch every year is getting better and better. Kane had Teows that whole time..mitch has had JT for several months. Try again in 3yrs when hes had a stud center with him to convert his magical passes

I would like you to refer to the bolded part of my post. As you can see, I am aware of the differences. But the fact remains, up to this point, Marner hasn't performed to the same level as Kane. That includes regular season. I'm not going to get into the semantics of line mates, etc. Contracts use to be offered based on ACTUAL performance, not "What Ifs, and Buts".

 

[Legion34]

He is on pace for over 100 with a powerplay that has been slumping. I dont want anyone to get paid these dollars but Dubas made this bed.

What do u think laine, rantanem and Tkachuk are worth

 

[Sypher04]

Patrick Kane is certainly a more accomplished player than Mitch, I'm not sure about better though.

Leafs have scored more goals than Chicago but both teams are top 10 in goalscoring. The Leafs 17 more goals scored in 53 games is like 1/3 of a goal per game, and even if you assumed Mitch gets a points on 1 out of every 3 of those (roughly his rate), it probably doesn't nearly negate the 3+ extra minutes per game of time Kane plays, and the fact he isn't a penalty killer.

 

[DanM]

He is on pace for over 100 with a powerplay that has been slumping. I dont want anyone to get paid these dollars but Dubas made this bed.

Being on pace, and getting it are two different things.

 

[Notsince67]

I would like you to refer to the bolded part of my post. As you can see, I am aware of the differences. But the fact remains, up to this point, Marner hasn't performed to the same level as Kane. That includes regular season. I'm not going to get into the semantics of line mates, etc. Contracts use to be offered based on ACTUAL performance, not "What Ifs, and Buts".

This is a stupid argument. He is on track to the same performance with indications of a higher ceiling due to his meteoric increase. Totally an academic argument.

 

[Notsince67]

Being on pace, and getting it are two different things.

He is 99 points over 82 consecutive regular season games. If you think he will regress, just say so.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Offensive totals are up considerably this season though (in part) thanks to the different rule changes. Which should be taken into contextualizng the comparison.

A 8.5-9 mil aav on a 6ish year deal should be more than fair for the guy.

Offence was way up in Kanes rookie year compared to Marners though. Kane is a way better goal scorer, Marner is a better defensive player. Goal scoring is worth more than defence though.

 

[Notsince67]

What do u think laine, rantanem and Tkachuk are worth

Laine is crap. Rantanen over 12. Tkachuck, less than Marner.

 

[Menzinger]

He is 99 points over 82 consecutive regular season games. If you think he will regress, just say so.

He’s been under a PPG since the new year and his PDO is still pretty high.

The safer bet is he’s not hitting 100 points by the end of the season. Not that this takes anything away from his amazing season.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

If the Nylander and Matthews contracts are any indication, the Leafs will giving Marner a hometown premium.
I wouldn't expect players to take a hometown discount, but by any league comparables, the Leafs overpaid and for some reason are proud of it.

 

[Leafsfan13]

So we are going to pretend AM has not missed a lot of games the last two years?

Being on pace, and getting it are two different things.

shouldn’t that also apply to Matthews?

 

[Notsince67]

He’s been under a PPG since the new year and his PDO is still pretty high.

The safer bet is he’s not hitting 100 points by the end of the season. Not that this takes anything away from his amazing season.

There is no betting to be had. The contract will wait until the end of the season clearly Marner and his agent feel that the performance will stand out. Let me ask you...If Marner goes on a tear and is top 3 in the league in points, does he merit Matthew's money. Is there any amount of point less than a million per season that would get Marner equal treatment?

 

[thewave]

If the Nylander and Matthews contracts are any indication, the Leafs will giving Marner a hometown premium.
I wouldn't expect players to take a hometown discount, but by any league comparables, the Leafs overpaid and for some reason are proud of it.

These fans are not just proud of it, they are singing praises of it. Full blown topsy-turvy nation.

 

[Sypher04]

Chicago - 173gf, 198ga
Kane:
3.97p/60
22:15toi/g
3:42pptoi/g
0:03shtoi/g

Toronto - 190gf, 150ga
Marner:
3.74p/60
19:40toi/g
2:34pptoi/g
1:05shtoi/g

Both teams powerplay roughly 21%

** all this season

 

[diceman934]

Lol dude, you’re trying to pull this excuse after your positions in the Nylander threads?

He had 2 goals in like the first 35 games last season. That doesn’t get you an 8.5-9 mil contract. You can’t just pretend only the good parts of a players season count toward their contract negotiations.

My take on Nylander is that he plays like a frieghten child and until he does not pull the chute on threat of being hit it will not change.

In his last 4o games Marner production was at 95 point pace.

Do you know how long Mono affects a person? Judging by your reply you have no idea.

I never said 9m so stop saying bs. I said I would pay him 8.5. Please post a post of mine that said I am ignoring him start of his season. Good luck as I have never ignored it. I simply forecasted his value based on his play down the stretch and in the playoffs abc I have been proven right. That seems to pisss you and others off which is sad. And shows who had agendas.

Sorry that you boy Nylander is not as good as Marner as you claimed he was. He never was.

 

[Menzinger]

My take on Nylander is that he plays like a frieghten child and until he does not pull the chute on threat of being hit it will not change.

In his last 4o games Marner production was at 95 point pace.

Do you know how long Mono affects a person? Judging by your reply you have no idea.

I never said 9m so stop saying bs. I said I would pay him 8.5. Please post a post of mine that said I am ignoring him start of his season. Good luck as I have never ignored it. I simply forecasted his value based on his play down the stretch and in the playoffs abc I have been proven right. That seems to pisss you and others off which is sad. And shows who had agendas.

Sorry that you boy Nylander is not as good as Marner as you claimed he was. He never was.

You realize you’re quoting my reply to somebody else right?

And 40 games is less than 50% of a full season, you don’t base a full contract value off such a small sample.

I love Marner, but I want to be realistic about what his contract value is now and what it was last summer (where as I’ve stated earlier, not a single valid contract comparison based on his first two full seasons had him earning 8.5 mil then). Your guess ended up being correct, but GMs shouldn’t necessarily base their decisions on them.

 

[nsleaf]

Marner will get, at the most, equal to AM but no way he gets more, The Wave would lose his mind if he did.

 

[Menzinger]

There is no betting to be had. The contract will wait until the end of the season clearly Marner and his agent feel that the performance will stand out. Let me ask you...If Marner goes on a tear and is top 3 in the league in points, does he merit Matthew's money. Is there any amount of point less than a million per season that would get Marner equal treatment?

No, because there’s no contract comparison that would have him making as much. He’ll deserve to make more than he did last summer though, obviously.

 

[thewave]

Marner will get, at the most, equal to AM but no way he gets more, The Wave would lose his mind if he did.

I already lost my mind over the Nylander contract because what I thought it would mean for the Matthews contract... Then when the Matthews contract happened I, I think I may have PTSD down the line.

 

[Legion34]

You realize you’re quoting my reply to somebody else right?

And 40 games is less than 50% of a full season, you don’t base a full contract value off such a small sample.

I love Marner, but I want to be realistic about what his contract value is now and what it was last summer (where as I’ve stated earlier, not a single valid contract comparison based on his first two full seasons had him earning 8.5 mil then). Your guess ended up being correct, but GMs shouldn’t necessarily base their decisions on them.

This is exactly it. People are confusing the issue. Saying “I would have paid him more” and turning out to be right when you are risking nothing at home and making off handed comments is entirely different than A GM actually paying the 38th point getter in an 82 game season to be a top 5 winger.

It’s just ridiculous in real life. Like I said. I played online poker with fake money and I went all in on a bad hand. I won in the game. I would be insane to do that in real life.

There are market values for a reason. Marners camp is nuts.

I like dermott. I think he can be a top 4 d. If in 5 years I think top 4 d will be going for 7 million. Should I sign him for 6 now? That would be nuts

 

[Apotheosis]

Marner won't have 100 this year, 29 more games, has 65 right now, and D tightens up soon.

I assume you want Mitch on a 11m dollar contract?

Even with the PP slumping he's been PPG in that span. He plays better down the stretch so 100 is easily doable.

 

[DanM]

He is 99 points over 82 consecutive regular season games. If you think he will regress, just say so.

I meant will he finish the season a ppg or over.

Listen, we are on the same side here, I want to NOT overpay him

 

[DanM]

shouldn’t that also apply to Matthews?

AM hit a PPG last year, and most likely will finish again over PPG.

Am I missing something? Why am I defending wanting to pay MM below 11m, and have us get more depth.... lol