Marner contract update per Ferris

[Jack Bauer]

Then he says 10.14x5 or take 1st,1st, 2nd, 3rd

So dare him to sign it and match it. He doesn't get to decide whether we match...we do.

 

[Legion34]

He 100% had mono.

9M+ it's an 8 year term, otherwise it's an L for Dubas again.

But he managed to score 2 goals after having mono 8 months before.

12 x 8 minimum

 

[DanM]

At 21 should kucherov have been the 2nd highest paid winger in the game?

Nope

Hell, according to some, he gets more than Matty LOL which makes him the 2nd highest paid PLAYER in the game.... at 21.

People are out to lunch on MM's worth

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Look my understanding before this mess hit the public records which you can see from my posts that Leafs were looking for a 7-7.5M deal for 8 years. Paul was at 10M. So divide was bigger than Willy's. Before season started Paul offered up a 9M 8 year deal to Leafs which was off table in 24 hours and he said he would not discuss contract further until after season ended. So now all those discussions are off the table now. Darren did what he was told.

Dubas said on record recently that he would respect Marner's camp position and open negotiations once season ended.

If you honestly believe that after Marner's current season and what Matty got that his ask would not rise from 10M I would be shocked.

Now what would be interesting is if Dubie came to Darren after this chirade and said look we will accept Paul's original 10M deal for 8 years what would Marner do??????? Would they still wait til season ended and see where everyone else comes in on the RFA program or would he accept.

Or does everyone wait it out til seasons end and then re-open the negotiation which was not going well last summer.

Should be interesting times.

 

[WTFMAN99]

When all that people have is contracts from teams that get players signed under a team friendly deal. He signed the year later for more money then a franchise center. It is a prime example of you pay up for that kind of production.

Then he says 10.14x5 or take 1st,1st, 2nd, 3rd

If he signs an offer sheet, match. If Nylander rebounds and is giving you top line wing production, see if a top pairing defenseman becomes available and then whether it is Marner or Nylander, make it happen.

Ultimately I don't care who is on the team when we win the cup, just as long as we win one. We're not winning one if every player tries to extract every single possible penny from the team.

10.5M x8 years makes him tied for the most highest paid RW in the league, if we offer up a ton of signing bonuses etc...it's pretty good.

But he managed to score 2 goals after having mono 8 months before.

12 x 8 minimum

Hard pass.

 

[Legion34]

Look my understanding before this mess hit the public records which you can see from my posts that Leafs were looking for a 7-7.5M deal for 8 years. Paul was at 10M. So divide was bigger than Willy's. Before season started Paul offered up a 9M 8 year deal to Leafs which was off table in 24 hours and he said he would not discuss contract further until after season ended. So now all those discussions are off the table now. Darren did what he was told.

Dubas said on record recently that he would respect Marner's camp position and open negotiations once season ended.

If you honestly believe that after Marner's current season and what Matty got that his ask would not rise from 10M I would be shocked.

Now what would be interesting is if Dubie came to Darren after this chirade and said look we will accept Paul's original 10M deal for 8 years what would Marner do??????? Would they still wait til season ended and see where everyone else comes in on the RFA program or would he accept.

Or does everyone wait it out til seasons end and then re-open the negotiation which was not going well last summer.

Should be interesting times.

Well if that’s true it’s a complete disaster
From the Marner camp.

 

[Notsince67]

At 21 should kucherov have been the 2nd highest paid winger in the game?

I would say that Patrick Kane at 21 was the highest paid winger and Kane is a good comparable to Mitch.

 

[Legion34]

I would say that Patrick Kane at 21 was the highest paid winger and Kane is a good comparable to Mitch.

Ummmmm you sure about that one?

 

[DanM]

I would say that Patrick Kane at 21 was the highest paid winger and Kane is a good comparable to Mitch.

The Pat Kane who has 78pts right now? the Pat Kane who has broken 100pts as a winger? the Pat Kane who is still a better player, and always has been?

They maybe similar in playing style, but Pat Kane is a VASTLY superior goal scorer LOL

I am starting to wonder if our fanbase just wants to overpay Mitch?

Pat Kane's first three years he had

72pts
70pts
88pts

lol do we think MM is Jesus or something.

9m is being generous

 

[jrgtml67]

I would say that Patrick Kane at 21 was the highest paid winger and Kane is a good comparable to Mitch.

Ya but he signed the deal years ago. Cap inflation etc has everything to do with new deals. Marner is going to get close to Matthew's unless it's a bridge. I wonder if we could do a mill less so 10.6 on 8yr term. I think if its 3yrs its 7m. Helps us get out of the cap hell, this is really the only year we are kind of stuck. But from what Dubas said to Geno Reda " the big guys are easy, it's how you fill out the roster around them." That there suggests to me something obvious. Anyone is fair game in a trade outside our established core.

One or two of Zaits, Marleau, Brown, Kadri are gone and worst case for Dubas he may have to trade Nylander.

 

[Menzinger]

The Pat Kane who has 78pts right now? the Pat Kane who has broken 100pts as a winger? the Pat Kane who is still a better player, and always has been?

They maybe similar in playing style, but Pat Kane is a VASTLY superior goal scorer LOL

I am starting to wonder if our fanbase just wants to overpay Mitch?

Pat Kane's first three years he had

72pts
70pts
88pts

lol

Exactly.

There is no comparison for Marner getting such a huge pay raise last summer. None.

Even now, both kane and Kucherov‘s deals suggest he should likely make under 10mil still.

 

[jrgtml67]

The Pat Kane who has 78pts right now? the Pat Kane who has broken 100pts as a winger? the Pat Kane who is still a better player, and always has been?

They maybe similar in playing style, but Pat Kane is a VASTLY superior goal scorer LOL

I am starting to wonder if our fanbase just wants to overpay Mitch?

Cap inflation. Kane signed that years ago. If he gets 90 to 100pts it depends on term..I'd say 7 or 8 on 3yr deal and 10 to 10.6 on 8yr.

Dubas said in a TSN interview it's how you build around your core. So anyone that isnt our core can and will be moved to accommodate him, but Marner wants to win, so I'm sure Dubas will say "if we offer you x and y" itll mean we have to me player x, y maybe z.

Again Marleau and Zaits are the ones many are suggesting. But could also be a Brown, Johnsson, Kadri.

We do have a ton of depth, Moore, Marchment or Bracco could easily come up. We may see one or 2 up after our next trade..I feel like its imminent, either a PWF or a RHD

 

[ShaneFalco]

Again Marleau and Zaits are the ones many are suggesting.

Signed by master negotiator and experienced Lou

 

[mclaren55]

Ok, lets relax a little on comparing Mitch to Kane. I love Marner (I feel he is our best player), but he hasn't up to this point done what Kane did in his first three years. Remember, before Kane came off his ELC he had 38 play off games, which he scored 19 goals and 23 assists. He also had multiple 70+ point seasons and one 80+ point season.

So in his first three seasons, Kane had 230 regular season points and 42 playoff points. Little better than Marner, no?

 

[jrgtml67]

Signed by master negotiator and experienced Lou

Zaitsev looked like a steal yr 1..but declined really really bad. Marleaus isnt that bad it's just we have too many younger higher profile players. You can bet Zaitsev is the choice to go, but that deal will be harder to pull off

 

[DanM]

Cap inflation. Kane signed that years ago. If he gets 90 to 100pts it depends on term..I'd say 7 or 8 on 3yr deal and 10 to 10.6 on 8yr.

Dubas said in a TSN interview it's how you build around your core. So anyone that isnt our core can and will be moved to accommodate him, but Marner wants to win, so I'm sure Dubas will say "if we offer you x and y" itll mean we have to me player x, y maybe z.

Again Marleau and Zaits are the ones many are suggesting. But could also be a Brown, Johnsson, Kadri.

We do have a ton of depth, Moore, Marchment or Bracco could easily come up. We may see one or 2 up after our next trade..I feel like its imminent, either a PWF or a RHD

What you are saying is not wrong, but even with inflation, Mitch has not been a 10m dollar player.

If Mitch magically hits the 100pt marker this year (which is doubtful with 29 games left) I will admit he could make 10.... but should be 9.5m

Even if you inflate the cap from when Kane signed that deal, has Mitch with a career high of 69pts been even close to what Kane did? I would argue he is still worth a few million less.

 

[Menzinger]

You aren't paying attention. Marner had the lingering effects of mono in the beginning of the year. He played 40% of the year at McDavid level production and then killed it in the playoffs. The answer to your question is no...none of the projected that high to a person who was fair minded.
The whole point is that market value today means that a firm offer of 7.5MM today for MM would guarantee that MM will not be a maple leaf and that scotia bank center will be lit aflame by a rioting mob who has enough common sense to realize that there is something wrong with an organization that is willing to take a 7mm cap hit on a 61 point player and yet is only willing to take an extra .5MM more for a 40 points more player. The Market value of Marner is significantly higher than Nylander. The Market value of Nylander is what the Leafs have put on it by their own hands.

Lol dude, you’re trying to pull this excuse after your positions in the Nylander threads?

He had 2 goals in like the first 35 games last season. That doesn’t get you an 8.5-9 mil contract. You can’t just pretend only the good parts of a players season count toward their contract negotiations.

 

[jrgtml67]

Ok, lets relax a little on comparing Mitch to Kane. I love Marner (I feel he is our best player), but he hasn't up to this point done what Kane did in his first three years. Remember, before Kane came off his ELC he had 38 play off games, which he scored 19 goals and 23 assists. He also had multiple 70+ point seasons and one 80+ point season.

So in his first three seasons, Kane had 230 regular season points and 42 playoff points. Little better than Marner, no?

He made it to the cup finals and won multiple times, we haven't gotten out of round 1..so no. And mitch every year is getting better and better. Kane had Teows that whole time..mitch has had JT for several months. Try again in 3yrs when hes had a stud center with him to convert his magical passes

 

[jrgtml67]

What you are saying is not wrong, but even with inflation, Mitch has not been a 10m dollar player.

If Mitch magically hits the 100pt marker this year (which is doubtful with 29 games left) I will admit he could make 10.... but should be 9.5m

Even if you inflate the cap from when Kane signed that deal, has Mitch with a career high of 69pts been even close to what Kane did? I would argue he is still worth a few million less.

Tough to say..because ask was 9 in summer now we dont know if his agent asked that based on the numbers he actually posting now. If so then maybe it will be 9

 

[DanM]

He made it to the cup finals and won multiple times, we haven't gotten out of round 1..so no. And mitch every year is getting better and better. Kane had Teows that whole time..mitch has had JT for several months. Try again in 3yrs when hes had a stud center with him to convert his magical passes

But he is signing the contract right now, and right now he is nowhere near Kane, and you can't even project he will ever be Kane, Kane has been that good.

In fact Kane will most likely break 100pts again this year, on a MUCH crappier Hawks team.

 

[deletethis]

That internet meme where the boyfriend is looking back at an attractive girl while his girlfriend looks at the boyfriend with disgust:

Marner is the boyfriend.
The attractive girl is Matthews' contract.
And the girlfriend is us delusional Leafs' fans who think somehow Marner shouldn't also get north $11M despite leading the team in scoring for the past 2 seasons.

 

[Gabriel426]

Look my understanding before this mess hit the public records which you can see from my posts that Leafs were looking for a 7-7.5M deal for 8 years. Paul was at 10M. So divide was bigger than Willy's. Before season started Paul offered up a 9M 8 year deal to Leafs which was off table in 24 hours and he said he would not discuss contract further until after season ended. So now all those discussions are off the table now. Darren did what he was told.

Dubas said on record recently that he would respect Marner's camp position and open negotiations once season ended.

If you honestly believe that after Marner's current season and what Matty got that his ask would not rise from 10M I would be shocked.

Now what would be interesting is if Dubie came to Darren after this chirade and said look we will accept Paul's original 10M deal for 8 years what would Marner do??????? Would they still wait til season ended and see where everyone else comes in on the RFA program or would he accept.

Or does everyone wait it out til seasons end and then re-open the negotiation which was not going well last summer.

Should be interesting times.

I think one thing the Marner’s camp failed to realize is that theLeafs really could have no money left for a 10mil deal for Marner. Dubas is banking on Marner growing up a Leafs fans to take discount. You can tell Marner just want to play for the Leafs. Now is 8.5mil and 10.5mil really that big of a deal? Or is this just a pride and ego thing? I am also not saying Marner should take a discount while others didn’t but the reality is that- Leafs really don’t have enough cap to go around for next season.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Zaitsev looked like a steal yr 1..but declined really really bad. Marleaus isnt that bad it's just we have too many younger higher profile players. You can bet Zaitsev is the choice to go, but that deal will be harder to pull off

Zaitsev was a risk that didn't pay off, I at least understand the logic with it. Marleau was bad from day 1. 6.25 for a 0.5PPG 40 year old with an NMC? Lou knew when Matthews, Nylander, and Marner were up for raises, why would he sign Marleau through those years? I'd much rather give Marleau 9x2 than 6x3. Well, actually I'd rather not have signed Marleau at all.

 

[Legion34]

Also. What people are missing is that Kane was the 10th highest paid winger after his ELC.

Kane was behind ovy. Nash etc.

Marner seemed to want to be the second after being 38th in the league in scoring.

Being an A- Kane is hell of a player and an achievement. But the asks this far are bonkers

 

[DanM]

That internet meme where the boyfriend is looking back at an attractive girl while his girlfriend looks at the boyfriend with disgust:

Marner is the boyfriend.
The attractive girl is Matthews' contract.
And the girlfriend is us delusional Leafs' fans who think somehow Marner shouldn't also get north $11M despite leading the team in scoring for the past 2 seasons.

Ask yourself this, if AM was healthy, and you seen how he plays healthy, does MM lead the team in scoring?

This is not even touching the pay for goals premium, franchise 1c position, and countless wingers who have better numbers (Kane, Kuch, Rant, Wheeler, Pasta etc.)

MM wants to be the 2nd highest paid player in hockey.... that's insanity.