the speculation and the quotes from his agent and dad make marner seem so incredibly entitled and childish imo. I really hope they aren't all true
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the speculation and the quotes from his agent and dad make marner seem so incredibly entitled and childish imo. I really hope they aren't all true
going all out for a trade the way they are heading (If these numbers are true)
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I mean if Mitch consistently puts up 90+ points for the next 3 years he automatically gets close to 15 AAV regardless of the QO by going to arbitration or become UFA if Leafs walk away.
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It's not from "months ago". This is all over the course of the summer and the recent negotiations that the Leafs have been pushing hard to finish.
Marner wants minimum 10.75M per year on a bridge. Leafs offered 8.83 per Mirtle, which seems to be an over payment considering Aho's contract and other contracts likely signed in the next couple weeks. So yeah, the gap is pretty significant.
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There's no way the Leafs want to do a bridge deal and face that kind of cap AND roster killing situation.
It's not happening.
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Not talking fromLeafs perspective but Marner’s pov.
If Marner thinks he can put up 3 seasons of 90+ points then sign the 8.83 AAV; and then go to arbitration to get lose to that 15 AAV based on league comparables or Leafs walk away and he becomes UFA.
I don’t see what’s the issue here
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So looks like Marners camp did reject 11M per year on a long-term contract.
You know this is straight from Ferris/Paul because who else would still talk about ELC bonuses 3 years later?
I'm speechless.
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The bolded is a big and common problem in forward evaluation. Nobody really cares whether someone got their total by their own offensive play, by superior linemates, or by excessive riches of opportunity. The latter is such a huge factor, yet people are usually called homers for bringing it up. The truth is that even if you accept the theory that per minute-stats get worse with additional minutes, just the variance in PP TOI among top players can result in as much as a 10 points difference.
Put today's Marner on the 30th place Leafs, and I'm not sure he breaks 70 points. He's just as good of a player, but context matters.
Compared to the other two, Marner gets almost as strong results while working with much less. Point has equal linemates and a greater opportunity. Rantanen has both.
I am not punishing players for producing. As I even said, of the 3, Marner produces at the best rate on the PP over their ELCs. I am separating ES and PP production, because raw PP production has significant swings based on insignificant differences in TOI, that is almost entirely a result of a random team stat like PP opportunities.
People properly evaluating the quality of player and their likely production going forward most definitely do.
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What a cinematic ****ing disaster Dubas is at negotiating
Not like Ferris and Marner camp is being absolutely f***ing unreasonable with their ask, it's all Dubas, yeah, sure.
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To be honest, I'd say the majority of analysts are pretty shocked at some of the reported numbers they are rejecting and asking for. Even retired pro players very likely all about players getting money are like "This is pretty nuts".
Dreger is probably the only one that seems really okay and is pushing for Marner to be the highest paid forward in the entire NHL.
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what do movies have to do with it?What a cinematic ****ing disaster Dubas is at negotiating
Go read your quote again.
"However, I'm told that was several months ago and is no longer relevant".
The 3 x 10m bridge was speculated a long time ago, which is what this is.
No, he doesn't. The calculation that guy did is wrong.
Back-loaded deals have different rules than front-loaded deals. The variance from year to year on a back-loaded deal can't be more than the lowest salary in the first half of the deal, which makes 7.5-7.5-15 possible, and is why Meier's deal is legal.
Marner is better than Aho, and better than anybody else that will sign in the next couple weeks.
What a cinematic ****ing disaster Dubas is at negotiating
hilarious you can read that and blame dubas. They turned down $11M AAV, $11M!!!
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For the salary I think the rule is
1. Be within 33% on a year over year basis (up or down)
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2. And any year in the duration of the contract cannot be more than 50% of the lowest salary
dangomon
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If Marner won't accept Dubas' "terrible overpayments" (as everyone says), what makes you think any other negotiator would get him for less?What a cinematic ****ing disaster Dubas is at negotiating
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Why is Paul Dreger saying the 3rd year could be as high as 12M? Just yesterday everyone was freaking out about 15M.
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