SprDaVE
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You entertain BS once...... Don't be surprised when more ppl ask you to entertain it
Yup and Dubas is knee-deep in it now.
If the reports are true and he actually offered an $11M/7 year deal and had it rejected means this has pretty well turned into the worst possible case scenario imaginable.
That's contract is as good, if not better than the Matthews deal.
I get what you mean, but I'm talking about for the purposes of contract valuation. Marner actually has very good playoff production over his career anyway.Playoffs are the only things that matter ...
Again, we are talking about a 7-game sample where one of his linemates had a major injury, and he played against one of the best teams in the game, against arguably the best line in hockey, and a really hot goalie. I don't think it's really fair to draw conclusion from that.And yes, he faced a challenge in the playoffs and came up short. He didn't produce because Tavares scored at 50% of his regular season pace. Tavares made the difference in the regular season, but couldn't do it in the post season.
Leafs fans always go no matter who is in the line-up.
If they can't agree to a contract that works for both you trade him.
It will always come to that.
Team will move on and so will the player.
If he's actually turned down 7/77 then I see no option but to move on. This is just stupid at this point.
Yeah, leaves the option to trade him.
its finding a partner though. 7/77 is a pretty big overpayment for marner, the new team would have to not only pay that contract but give up fair value to us for marner
I get what you mean, but I'm talking about for the purposes of contract valuation. Marner actually has very good playoff production over his career anyway.
Again, we are talking about a 7-game sample where one of his linemates had a major injury, and he played against one of the best teams in the game, against arguably the best line in hockey, and a really hot goalie. I don't think it's really fair to draw conclusion from that.
I'm positive the idea of trading Marner is pretty much completely gone. Not only because of roster and cap problems, but also because of the media circus that would put on whoever acquires him. It's a whole lot different than if it happened late July where it's a lot more quiet and the optics are different. Also, if the Marner camp is rejecting 7x11M contracts and 3x.8.8M contracts, I'm pretty sure no other team wants him either.
Marner will either sign a contract or sit out. I will confidently say that he will sign something at some point in training camp but I think there will be a lot of tension and I could see a lot of smoke about Marner being traded in the course of the next year or two.
Also...re: Dregers report...we can't just include past bonus money in a contract...is he that much up the agents a$$ that he actually needs to sell that part of an $11mil cap hit is $1.6 mil in back time bonuses he wasn't good enough to get out of Lou as the agent to sell this as something worse then it really is?
That he even mentioned that tells you how petty the Marner camp is. I honestly feel bad for the guy for being surrounded by fools.
Also...re: Dregers report...we can't just include past bonus money in a contract...is he that much up the agents a$$ that he actually needs to sell that part of an $11mil cap hit is $1.6 mil in back time bonuses he wasn't good enough to get out of Lou as the agent to sell this as something worse then it really is?
That he even mentioned that tells you how petty the Marner camp is. I honestly feel bad for the guy for being surrounded by fools.
the media circus for the team that acquires him? TSN and Sportsnet aren't going to chase around a player that isn't a leaf anymore, unless he was traded to a Canadian team of course.
I'd say that in this market 7/77 is fair market value. Right at Tavares money....not quite Matthews due to not having the goal scoring presence or being a #1 C. If he needs to break the Matthews number for his ego then I dont see any choice but to shop him.
Absolutely.
Exactly what should have been done with Nylander last season when he decided to hold out (and then **** the bed the rest of the season and tank his trade value).
Not only the circus for the other team but also the Leafs.
JT is also a 1C and a goal scoring presence, so no marner isn't an equal to him either. JT loses out a bit in terms of age compared to the Matthews comparison of course, but he is still a goal scoring 1C
I'm positive the idea of trading Marner is pretty much completely gone. Not only because of roster and cap problems, but also because of the media circus that would put on whoever acquires him. It's a whole lot different than if it happened late July where it's a lot more quiet and the optics are different. Also, if the Marner camp is rejecting 7x11M contracts and 3x.8.8M contracts, I'm pretty sure no other team wants him above those prices either. If they did, I'm sure an offer sheet would be signed already as well.
Marner will either sign a contract or sit out. I will confidently say that he will sign something at some point in training camp but I think there will be a lot of tension and I could see a lot of smoke about Marner being traded over the next year or two.
well who cares, media circus for a few months and then every time the leafs play that team if we got fair value for marner especially in a Dman its worth dealing with. The other team, if a US team, would not care about a few times a year having to deal with Toronto media
Nylander signed a fair deal though. Took way too long to get there. But right now it's a 5 year/25mil contract that is an absolute bargain to most teams who would prefer the cap hit be the $7mil it is.
I have no issue with a hold out if the deal signed is fair.
Marner is about ego and setting new precedent. I let him do that in some obscure American market. Being a Toronto Maple Leaf and earning even more off endorsements more then offsets any BS tax implications like if he was saying playing in Tampa.
This has gotten out of hand. His earning potential is 1.5-2X in Toronto endorsement wise then in almost any other city on the continent. Why do taxes matter but not that residual income?