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Speculation: Marner blocked a trade to Carolina for Rantanen

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centipede2233 said:
Mitch is like that only child where he gets spoiled by his parents and pouts and cries when things don’t go his way, then parents give in and he stops pouting and crying.
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No. He's more like an adult professional hockey player who is looking for a large professional hockey contract worthy of a top 10 scorer. That contract will almost certainly suck on its back end, when Marner is in his mid-30s, but that's generally how all these contracts work.
 
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blankall said:
No. He's more like an adult professional hockey player who is looking for a large professional hockey contract worthy of a top 10 scorer. That contract will almost certainly suck on its back end, when Marner is in his mid-30s, but that's generally how all these contracts work.
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I don’t fault the player, I fault the incompetent dubas for giving out overpayments.
 
SeanMoneyHands said:
Marner wants to win now and he knows he has a much better chance of that happening in Toronto than Carolina. No offence.
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Apparently Marner (and possibly you) know more than the professional odd setters, who have Carolina's odds of winning the cup as better than Toronto's.
 
leafsfan5 said:
Marner was offered because he isn't negotiating at all and will basically walk to UFA in July. Toronto wanted to see if he wants out since he's doing this, he said he doesn't. Friedman went with this on hockey night in Canada, I doubt a story as big as this isn't thoroughly vetted by him

We also could've fit in Rantanen and Marner, via a deal for Knies + picks. However, this carries the risk of Marner walking in the summer. At that point, you moved Knies + Marner (2/3rds of your top line) + multiple firsts for Rantanen. The Leafs decided that was too much

If I was Treliving, I would've run the numbers and see if I could swing Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rantanen and let Tavares walk in the summer. Then have a chat with Mitch and see if he'll sign for the same number we give Mikko (around ~13-13.5)
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See that's how I feel.

Hey Mitch you are a UFA and we are not negotiating right now as per your request.

Would you like to go to another team that is making playoffs and then could still offer that 8th year?

It doesn't have to be evil.
 
Imma guess:

The group of players - Marner, Tavares, nylander, Reilly, Matthews have been together for so much. I felt there is 0 chance that the Toronto players would change anything this season. I feel they probably want to push together. They’ve known their deals do kind of mean that an evaluation, possible change comes after this year with the 2 expiries.

I think you’re probably going to get the same answer out of Marner no matter how differently you ask the same question. Maybe Toronto could attempt to come off the top rope with a fat offer…but I wouldn’t predict that. Seems fun but unlikely.

I believe that he would prefer to be a leaf? I don’t really feel it’s a for sure thing he’s gone. These groups have worked together for a long time.

I think Toronto will be able to get a good return if they manage the situation and the reality is that he will move. It appears they’re managing it via the Rantanen stuff. I think enough teams will be interested and all it will take is one wanting to jump the gun for most of them to want to imo.
 
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Cant wait until Marner bails from this org. So sick of the drama surrounding this playoff softy.
 
benfranklin said:
The fact that TOR considered this has to mean that they think they may not be able to re-sign Mitch right?
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From Torontos perspective they have a hole next year.

To fail to consider options is a failure of management imo.

Until he’s signed they must consider all options. They can do that while preferring to sign him. They could have an extreme preference even. They still have responsibility to maximizing the moment and continuity of the club in all outcomes.
 
StlBigFly said:
From Torontos perspective they have a hole next year.

To fail to consider options is a failure of management imo.

Until he’s signed they must consider all options. They can do that while preferring to sign him. They could have an extreme preference even. They still have responsibility to maximizing the moment and continuity of the club in all outcomes.
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100% but have to see it as a gamble right?

A. Someone with a brain must have known that no chance Mitch considers this right?
B. Someone else with a brain must have known that when Mitch says no, he's going to be a little irked by it right?
 
benfranklin said:
100% but have to see it as a gamble right?

A. Someone with a brain must have known that no chance Mitch considers this right?
B. Someone else with a brain must have known that when Mitch says no, he's going to be a little irked by it right?
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Imo

I can chat with an agent and get a better understanding but where I am now:

The player, typically, wants to be signed for the upcoming season before the playoffs, primarily due to injury risk, (how do you sign 8 x 14 with 9 months of acl recovery? - maybe Marner would still get it but lesser players? Fringe players?) but also because in general, players prefer to be signed and deadlines are opportunities to force decision making.

The player and agent have to assume risk and have to weigh their risk and desires with the opportunities presented to them.

Due to this prevalent desire in general for guys to be signed it is normal for the deadline to produce a wave of decisions for the upcoming seasons - it is a process within the clubs that happens every single year kinda the same way, just with different outcomes as the talent and environment changes.

I think the process that occurred with Marner would be considered typical and common, just notable because he is an elite talent. Every step of this will be a news story. Marner and his agent are able to evaluate their risk and position, and their choice was to remain and address later. Normal choice. Nothing weird.

Alternatively, Rantanen’s situation was a clown show. The leverage flipped against the Rantanen side as the clock ticked on deadline day.

To be able to bring multiple high risk deals to the group in a single day would indicate tampering to me. Carolina gate kept. There wasn’t time to negotiate tons more deals. If Dallas didn’t change their offer then Rantanen was headed into the playoffs without a deal on a team he didn’t love. Easy to observe that they would prob cave to a final offer. Gg Texas.
 
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blankall said:
No. He's more like an adult professional hockey player who is looking for a large professional hockey contract worthy of a top 10 scorer. That contract will almost certainly suck on its back end, when Marner is in his mid-30s, but that's generally how all these contracts work.
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Marner aged 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 honestly feels like an OK bet. His game doesn't scream early decline because he doesn't take a lot of punishment.
 
What are the odds Marner resigns there? I would definitely like him in Buffalo. We need to make the playoffs before he has an opportunity to choke.
 
For a 2-3m difference I logically don't understand why he wouldn't just resign with Toronto IF that's where he wants to be and I do believe he wants to stay there
 
I don't think it's an issue that Toronto asked him to waive.

Maybe there's a 5% chance he waives, in which case you get Rantanen (not bad). And if not, you send the message that you're not just going to sit around waiting for him to tell you to match Chicago's offer on July 1st. If you want to be in Toronto, sign a compromise. If not, we'll be ready to move.

What was very MLSE, though, was Treliving coming out the next day to calm the waters and walk it back.

Brad, stick to your guns if you want to be more cut throat. Mitch and Auston are big boys, it's high time everyone stopped worrying about their feelings so much.
 
I dont think any of this matters too much at the end of the day. If Mitch sucks in the playoffs, hes gone anyways. If hes good in the playoffs, he's going to re-sign for a huge $. Right now, mitch's current performance and the 4 nations performance makes it preferable to be in TO. He had a barrier against the TO media... Until the playoffs.
 
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