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Former Bruins Brad Marchand traded to Florida, Brandon Carlo to Toronto

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DangleCity said:
What did Bergeron get at the end at nearly the same age? 1 @ 5m

Krejci got 1 @ 1m

You don't get everything the money and the years at his age and injury history.
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This. Why cry about it he had a good run and we need to move in a different direction. He's not even playing right now and is out for another month.

Gets a shot at a cup and then to pick his team of choice. A thank you retirement contract would be regretted quickly.
 
nORRis8 said:
I can't help but think how this was a bit contrived at the beginning of the year.
Monty calling him out in the media and at times benching him or limiting his minutes.
Monty calling him out for turnovers? Well duh!
Marchy is a puck handling forward, there will be turnovers. All I saw was continued effort unlike Coyle, Lindholm and Frederic who never got called out.

If it was 3 million / 2 years offered to Marchand ...how embarrassing.

I made a post in around November that I have a feeling that Marchand will not be a Bruin next year solely by the way he was being treated.
Low balling him by at least 2 million was their final stab in the back.
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He was offered 3 yrs at his current salary and he rejected it.
 
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That Marchand presser was still brutal to watch.

I appreciate Brad's passion and loyalty...and willingness to put himself in a vulnerable position like that. The game needs more of it. I can't remember seeing this much emotion in a trade deadline, ever. Brady Tkachuk losing it over Josh Norris the other night...and now Marchand.

He was also very expressive in his support and appreciation for Sweeney, specifically.

I know he is not a very popular dude in these boards...the Harvard thing...blah, blah, blah. But I know he loves hockey. During one of the lockouts I saw him at the Ryan Rink in Watertown scouting a Bentley player by the name of Brett Gensler (who happened to be leading D1 scoring at the time) by himself...just standing there.

He spoke to everyone who came up to him.

Us fans are not privy to reality and are left to make certain assumptions about the quality of people's character, etc. Love him or hate him, Sweeney is a real hockey fan.
 
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Alicat said:
He was offered 3 yrs at his current salary and he rejected it.
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People made the assumption that he'd take a low salary, low term incentive laden contract just because Bergeron and Krejci did. They forget the fact that those 2 guys took those deals to stick with a Cup Contending team to push for one more chance at a Cup. That isn't the case with this team....

Marchand will get a better offer from another team. He's well within his rights to pursue those options, no matter how much it hurts people's feelings.....
 
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TD Charlie said:
Sweet jesus is this confirmed?!

It kinda sucks that he's gone but the Bruins dodged a bullet with that contract.
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Did people really think he was going to agree to take a pay cut without testing the market first? To stick with a team on a rebuild?
 
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Alicat said:
Friedman confirmed it this morning on this 32 Thoughts podcast. Go to 25:48 of the podcast to listen to the segment.
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He said I think it wasn’t for a discount. I would say that’s close but not a confirmation

This was also “reported”

ESPN’s John Buccigross reported that Boston also offered Marchand a two-year deal worth $3 million AAV. Marchand declined each of their reported offers.
 
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Donny had to do this major gut job you had to get something from players declining in age and performance and he hit on everything with aces. Even with marchy which I feel will be a 1st round pick since I feel Florida will win 2 rounds . Getting minton marat lauko middlestadt plus all those promising prospects and high picks has turned this ship from hitting the iceberg and we all know how that movie went. Donny is the man.
 
The don godfather said:
Donny had to do this major gut job you had to get something from players declining in age and performance and he hit on everything with aces. Even with marchy which I feel will be a 1st round pick since I feel Florida will win 2 rounds . Getting minton marat lauko middlestadt plus all those promising prospects and high picks has turned this ship from hitting the iceberg and we all know how that movie went. Donny is the man.
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Ugg..give it a rest
 
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Yeti34 said:
He said I think it wasn’t for a discount. I would say that’s close but not a confirmation

This was also “reported”

ESPN’s John Buccigross reported that Boston also offered Marchand a two-year deal worth $3 million AAV. Marchand declined each of their reported offers.
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Buccigross screwed up the numbers in an attempt to be first. All other media outlets are reporting the aav is his current salary.

The Bruins didn’t lowball or screw him over.
 
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Yeti34 said:
He said I think it wasn’t for a discount. I would say that’s close but not a confirmation

This was also “reported”

ESPN’s John Buccigross reported that Boston also offered Marchand a two-year deal worth $3 million AAV. Marchand declined each of their reported offers.
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No EF said he was "certain" it wasnt below the 6.125 that Marchand currently makes.

And you rarely, rarely hear EF say something with that kind of confirmation. Usually, he tries to leave himself as much wiggle room as possible in what he puts out there.

I believe him.
 
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JCRO said:
No EF said he was "certain" it wasnt below the 6.125 that Marchand currently makes.

And you rarely, rarely hear EF say something with that kind of confirmation. Usually, he tries to leave himself as much wiggle room as possible in what he puts out there.

I believe him.
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This right here.
 
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"Take my offer now or be traded" is a strong arm tactic.

"He went where he wanted to go" is disingenuous. He wanted Boston.

If their offer was well beyond his market value they didn't "have" to trade him. He'd have just taken it once he tested the market.

The cap is going up 30% over the next 3 years and almost 60% from when he signed his last deal (which was considered the best bargain in the NHL). To call 6 "the same" is disingenuous. 6 when he signed last was 8.2% of the cap, that would've only been 5.2% in year 3.

Marchand went to them hat in hand and they did not even extend a face saving gesture. They made a choice. You can agree with it, but they made it. Whatever their gap was, with a 113.5m salary cap, is a rounding error.
 
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Marchand will be 40 when a 3-year contract ends, that's an extremely risky proportion for a team to take, He's at the age where he could keep going at/near his current production -- or he could fall in the Mariana Trench, so Sweeney offering him his current salary for that period seems a bit nuts.

If Brad thinks he can get that on the open market (or more even), more power to him, it is ultimately a business and he needs to look after himself.

If he was insistent on 3 years I'd had said 6-4-2 (4AAV) with performance bonuses to bring it up to the full amount.
 
I don't see this as being all that complicated.

Would the fans tolerate mediocrity for multiple years while Marchand goes through an endless Farewell Tour? (See Pittsburgh Penguins)

Or is it better to kick-start the retool to minimize years of non-contending? (See Tampa/Stamkos; or even Washington, though they were aided by age and injury jettisoning their older players, Oshie, Backstrom, Kuznetsov)

Fans are sometimes more emotionally involved than players. Marchand had no issue playing with Bennett at 4 Nations and wanted to go to Florida. Just as Nosek has had no issues playing with Tkachuk.

Players want to win and they want to get paid; and not necessarily in that order.
 
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Alicat said:
Friedman confirmed it this morning on this 32 Thoughts podcast. Go to 25:48 of the podcast to listen to the segment.
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Also interesting that in that podcast:
  • EF comments on how the TDL moves show just how disappointed the organization was with how the season went. I mean, I would hope so. But also, very telling that they ended up moving so many of the guys who were leaders: Coyle and Carlo, especially. Marchand, also, of course, though a slightly different scenario; they made him an offer to stay. Makes you wonder if McAvoy wasn't injured, would they have tried to move him, or do they see him as a leader they want to keep? Probably the latter, imo. On the other hand, maybe it wasn't so much a leadership purge, as just the fact that players like Coyle and Carlo and Brazeau were assets they could get something good for at the TDL.
  • EF also says that DS was willing to offer Marchand 3 years at something not less than his current salary, but Marchand wanted more $ and the team had a line they just weren't willing to go beyond. It's totally within Marchand's right to ask for more (did he want $7mill, $8mill?) but I can't get mad at the team for not wanting to commit that much for guy who'll be 37–39 over the next three years, hip surgeries, declining speed, etc. Will he hit 30 goals ever again? A GM like Chiarelli may have done that, out of a sense of loyalty, but I have to assume that Sweeney is looking to make some moves in the off-season to rebuild this club, and every $1mill matters. Can't really blame him for holding pat.
 
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dafoomie said:
"Take my offer now or be traded" is a strong arm tactic.

"He went where he wanted to go" is disingenuous. He wanted Boston.

If their offer was well beyond his market value they didn't "have" to trade him. He'd have just taken it once he tested the market.

The cap is going up 30% over the next 3 years and almost 60% from when he signed his last deal (which was considered the best bargain in the NHL). To call 6 "the same" is disingenuous. 6 when he signed last was 8.2% of the cap, that would've only been 5.2% in year 3.

Marchand went to them hat in hand and they did not even extend a face saving gesture. They made a choice. You can agree with it, but they made it. Whatever their gap was, with a 113.5m salary cap, is a rounding error.
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Would you have preferred they just let him ride out the season with no extension, perhaps not even playing, until his contract expired, rather than let him go to a contender and get a chance to play for the Cup, while the team gets a probable 1st round draft pick?

Given the stalemate over the extension, this seems like the best win-win available. They let him choose which team to go to.
 
DangleCity said:
It's insane. He clearly didn't want to be here or was pissed he out performed his last deal and wanted the Bruins to make him whole
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I think he saw Stamkos get 4/32 and that’s where he was

Stammer was 34 and Brad’s 36

They moved to 3 years but if Brad was still at 8 M that’s 24 M

The Bruins are at 3/18+

Difference of 5+ M
 
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