Former Bruins Brad Marchand traded to Florida, Brandon Carlo to Toronto

[NeelyDan]

I dunno. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I kinda think Carlo looks right in a Maple Leaf jersey.

I weirdly got that same vibe and can’t explain it

 

[LouJersey]

I don't see overpayments of other players as reason to go ahead any make the same mistake with someone else, even if they're the captain. Don't believe taking past discounts entitles you to future favors either.

When you say Sweeney lied about the situation, how exactly? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. What was the 'hit piece'? If saying the door is still open is indeed a lie well that's small beer to me. A fluffy statement. Perhaps better to just be bluntly honest but no big deal. What else is a problem?

One of the things I think my perspective is colored by here is that in Australia much less than 1% of pro players in contact sports make it past the age of 35. To do it you've either got to be the elite of the elite, or just have freakishly good luck with injury and a body that has held up really well through all the wear and tear. So this trend in American sports towards more players hanging around well into their late 30s and sometimes even beyond is still rather bizarre to me. Hence why I lean more towards thinking that a guy like Brad has already had a terrific run and there's little problem with leaving it at that.

Regardless, if management really screwed him over, I'd agree that's unfair and bad behavior. I'm just not quite clear as to how they have.

He lied about the terms of the draft pick

The organization releasing “we did everything we could”

Anyways even if they make a right move they can’t man up and own it

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

That he didn’t accept a three year deal. Is hurt for possibly 3 to 4 weeks and goes to Florida where this is no guarantee that he will play in Florida games is entitled central.

 

[DKH]

If B’s really were going to go 3x$6.125 ……………….. and any Bruins fan is suggesting they’d go higher??? Yikes.

I love Marchy and will be rooting for FLA (eeeeeeew……. but thats how much I want to thank Brad with my loyalty…. again, yikes) but I’m glad we didnt do the deal. Bruins fans would be eating him alive about halfway through that contract if B’s fortunes didn’t improve and all those injuries finally called in their chits.

He’s still very good on a 65 point 30 goal pace when he got hurt

He could be Brad Shmad that’s a 6-7 M contract

Sweeney “Brad, it’s Don. We know you are the captain and appreciate all the extra responsibilities in a trying year - and you’re our second Leading scorer and on a pace for 30 goals and 65 points …..and the cap is going up. But we want to cut your contract in half to 3 M. Actually, no we want to cut it by 2/3rds to 2 M.

We got a deal?”

This is why I don’t like Sweeney - how dare he do this

 

[DKH]

He lied about the terms of the draft pick

The organization releasing “we did everything we could”

Anyways even if they make a right move they can’t man up and own it

Lied ? I watched it - call him confused more like it. He looked gassed exhausted from
1. Trading half his team
2. Causing the pro shop to lose thousands in reduced jerseys
3. Realize his face of franchise is going to be playing LW on the Ahole Line with Bennett & Tkachuk

he looked like he needed alcohol

He wasn’t even contentious

The presser was like Dupont & Colageo- everyone else went home

 

[HumBucker]

Lied ? I watched it - call him confused more like it. He looked gassed exhausted from
1. Trading half his team
2. Causing the pro shop to lose thousands in reduced jerseys
3. Realize his face of franchise is going to be playing LW on the Ahole Line with Bennett & Tkachuk

he looked like he needed alcohol

He wasn’t even contentious

The presser was like Dupont & Colageo- everyone else went home

If the "lie" was about the 50%/25% of games, I think it's quite possible he simply misspoke.

 

[duffy]

I weirdly got that same vibe and can’t explain it

Me too. But with me it's probably that I'm so happy he's not in a Bs Jersey. Hearing that him and Coyle were traded made my day. Will miss Marshand but getting a possible first rounder and the ability to resign him in the off season makes it easier to take.

 

[DKH]

If the "lie" was about the 50%/25% of games, I think it's quite possible he simply misspoke.

Yeh I watched it live he looked like he pulled an all nighter - he can be a dink sometimes answering and he was just matter of factly mode

When I would lie to my parents where I was it was done with the understanding they aren’t going to find out

Sweeney saying the trade he messed up clearly and is going to be public

They went up to the end and couldn’t reach a deal

Any player over 35 you enter into a new contract and they retire tug still gotta carry I thought

Regardless giving him 3 years is dumb

That said if the offered only AVV of $6.125,that’s BS

Cap going up & Marchand still very good

2 years 7 M per (14 M) ..July 1

 

[IveGotToBeMe]

Apologies for the long azz reply. So, here's my theory on this new normal. The team imploded when Montgomery back stabbed them all and played his "I don't have an answer" card on November 8, 2024. I am completely convinced that he had "discussions" with Doug Armstrong (who was instrumental in helping Montgomery overcome his personal struggles in his first tenure with St. Louis in 2020 as an assistant coach) over the summer as he was heading into the final year of his contract. Montgomery's demeanor and leadership (or lack thereof) did not scream "I need to save this team and my job" type of vibe. It seemed to deliver more of a "I know I'm getting out of here by season's end and going to St. Louis but maybe I can get there sooner" type of vibe. As we all know, he was hired by the Blues only five days after being let go by the Bruins. Now, I don't want to dump all of this on Montgomery but I do believe it was one of the key factors to this team's lackluster season. I would attribute all of the following:

1 - Montgomery situation
2 - The insistence of the front office (unfortunately listening to fans and the media) to go to a "heavy" roster for this season - that may work in the playoffs but it was too much too soon
3 - Swayman contract mess (and FWIW I still think he's a great goaltender that has had a bad season like most of the entire roster)
4 - Ineffective free agent signings - I like both Lindholm and Zadorov but they were being looked at as saviors to a team that ultimately was not right
5 - Lack of leadership in the room - there was no more leadership "group" (Bergeron/Chara/Krejci), not entirely Marchand's fault but he wore the C so he takes most of the blame
6 - Team played uninspired hockey and the pieces were not complimentary to overcome the lack of talent
7 - Timing of the injury situation with Lindholm and McAvoy
8 - 2023 trade deadline which stripped this team of draft capital (they pushed all in and lost)

Now, as far as Marchand is concerned, if you're going to blow it up he has to be a part of the deconstruction. If they truly offered him 3 years @ $6ish, that was a bad decision by the front office. If he refused it, he was not the guy you want leading the team anyway. Enough with the BS that he wanted to be a Bruin for life - so did Orr, Espo, Chara, etc. It's a business and a poor business decision would be to allocate $6MM of your salary pool to a 40 year old player who has had significant offseason surgeries over the last two years. I love what Brad brought to the Bruins over his career. He is the epitome of what a Boston Bruin player was, is, and should continue to be. That said, all good things come to an end and it was clearly time for a fresh start. As a lifelong Bruins fan, while I regret what it had to come to, it was time. Time to put 2011 in the past so a new future could be realized. We all have suffered through both good and bad Bruins teams, we'll all survive and move forward hopefully to future success.

 

[DangleCity]

I was wrong anyways ~ appears was offered his contract no reduction, however, he’s still productive and whether it was 7 M or what Lindholm got, or more he wanted they wouldn’t go there

The 3 M AVV for 2 was basically 2 years at his 6 + he gets and Buccigross divided it and said 2 yrs at 3 M (I get it it can be confusing I’ve done it)

Pocket Jacobs gave blessings to do three years at his current contract apparently but that figure was to Brad (I agree) done almost a decade ago and below current market

I’m guessing they will end up 3 & 7?? ~ or he goes somewhere else

I would 2/7 per but see where he lands

Bucci story that’s got Bruins fans upset not correct

Still, I'll be stunned if he gets more than 2 years at anything more than he already making, but I guess we cant argue till the offseason. Will also depend on if he goes for a cup or top dollar. He won't get both

 

[Greek_physique]

Still, I'll be stunned if he gets more than 2 years at anything more than he already making, but I guess we cant argue till the offseason. Will also depend on if he goes for a cup or top dollar. He won't get both

Will also depend it he can actually come back and play at a high level too

 

[DangleCity]

I would not have offered Marchand, that contract, but I understand why he would refuse, after the two signings Sweeney made last offseason, Swayman and Lindholm, and I am more and more convinced that those contracts caused a division on this team, especially Swayman. I do not know what the Lindholm buyout would be, might not be smart business to do so, but Swayman, should be moved and I say that after his shutout, so I cannot be accused of picking my spots.

What does Swayman and Lindholm have to do with anything. One is in his prime and other theoretically hasn't reach his. Marchand is at the end of the line. It's not even remotely similar

 

[DangleCity]

Will also depend it he can actually come back and play at a high level too

Absolutely. But I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying he will still be near his pre injury level

 

[IveGotToBeMe]

Absolutely. But I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying he will still be near his pre injury level

No way. He had his hip surgeries after his 33 year old season. There's been speculation about his current injury but nothing specific. Add this to abdominal, groin, and elbow surgeries this past off season and, although Brad's a warrior, Father Time is undefeated. His condition is only going to continue to deteriorate due to his age. I'm not saying he's cooked, I'm saying you don't pay that player (Marchand or not) at the $6MM+ level through his 40 year old season.

 

[DKH]

Still, I'll be stunned if he gets more than 2 years at anything more than he already making, but I guess we cant argue till the offseason. Will also depend on if he goes for a cup or top dollar. He won't get both

If the Bruins offered less then his current 6.125 M they are ageists.

He’s still a really good player deserving of minimum 7 M per next season

I don’t blame Brad wanting more then one year and I don’t blame the Bruins not wanting to go past two

I’d offer 2 @ 7 M per
I’d accept 2 @ 7 M per

What’s the problem boys

 

[DangleCity]

No way. He had his hip surgeries after his 33 year old season. There's been speculation about his current injury but nothing specific. Add this to abdominal, groin, and elbow surgeries this past off season and, although Brad's a warrior, Father Time is undefeated. His condition is only going to continue to deteriorate due to his age. I'm not saying he's cooked, I'm saying you don't pay that player (Marchand or not) at the $6MM+ level through his 40 year old season.

I agree for the most part. It's other people here saying he's going to get $7+ mil a year. Which I think is ridiculous. Like you said, a lot is going to be contingent on how he performs post injury

 

[PB37]

Apologies for the long azz reply. So, here's my theory on this new normal. The team imploded when Montgomery back stabbed them all and played his "I don't have an answer" card on November 8, 2024. I am completely convinced that he had "discussions" with Doug Armstrong (who was instrumental in helping Montgomery overcome his personal struggles in his first tenure with St. Louis in 2020 as an assistant coach) over the summer as he was heading into the final year of his contract. Montgomery's demeanor and leadership (or lack thereof) did not scream "I need to save this team and my job" type of vibe. It seemed to deliver more of a "I know I'm getting out of here by season's end and going to St. Louis but maybe I can get there sooner" type of vibe. As we all know, he was hired by the Blues only five days after being let go by the Bruins. Now, I don't want to dump all of this on Montgomery but I do believe it was one of the key factors to this team's lackluster season. I would attribute all of the following:

1 - Montgomery situation
2 - The insistence of the front office (unfortunately listening to fans and the media) to go to a "heavy" roster for this season - that may work in the playoffs but it was too much too soon
3 - Swayman contract mess (and FWIW I still think he's a great goaltender that has had a bad season like most of the entire roster)
4 - Ineffective free agent signings - I like both Lindholm and Zadorov but they were being looked at as saviors to a team that ultimately was not right
5 - Lack of leadership in the room - there was no more leadership "group" (Bergeron/Chara/Krejci), not entirely Marchand's fault but he wore the C so he takes most of the blame
6 - Team played uninspired hockey and the pieces were not complimentary to overcome the lack of talent
7 - Timing of the injury situation with Lindholm and McAvoy
8 - 2023 trade deadline which stripped this team of draft capital (they pushed all in and lost)

Now, as far as Marchand is concerned, if you're going to blow it up he has to be a part of the deconstruction. If they truly offered him 3 years @ $6ish, that was a bad decision by the front office. If he refused it, he was not the guy you want leading the team anyway. Enough with the BS that he wanted to be a Bruin for life - so did Orr, Espo, Chara, etc. It's a business and a poor business decision would be to allocate $6MM of your salary pool to a 40 year old player who has had significant offseason surgeries over the last two years. I love what Brad brought to the Bruins over his career. He is the epitome of what a Boston Bruin player was, is, and should continue to be. That said, all good things come to an end and it was clearly time for a fresh start. As a lifelong Bruins fan, while I regret what it had to come to, it was time. Time to put 2011 in the past so a new future could be realized. We all have suffered through both good and bad Bruins teams, we'll all survive and move forward hopefully to future success.

One of our guys with some insider knowledge let us know that the Bruins were going to fire Monty if the Bruins lost G7 against Toronto and that the Blues were ready to swoop in with a contract. Bruins won G7, a few days later the Blues resigned Bannister.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

If the Bruins offered less then his current 6.125 M they are ageists.

He’s still a really good player deserving of minimum 7 M per next season

I don’t blame Brad wanting more then one year and I don’t blame the Bruins not wanting to go past two

I’d offer 2 @ 7 M per
I’d accept 2 @ 7 M per

What’s the problem boys

The problem is that is to much money for a banged up veteran.

He is small and can’t to it anymore.

He had his run. It is done.

 

[LouJersey]

Lied ? I watched it - call him confused more like it. He looked gassed exhausted from
1. Trading half his team
2. Causing the pro shop to lose thousands in reduced jerseys
3. Realize his face of franchise is going to be playing LW on the Ahole Line with Bennett & Tkachuk

he looked like he needed alcohol

He wasn’t even contentious

The presser was like Dupont & Colageo- everyone else went home

eh he's a calculated guy, what he said was nowhere close to what it was, so maybe he did get the wrong info, which is totally ridiculous, but it did look like he wanted to get out of there,

 

[LouJersey]

One other thing, at any point are we going to blame the architects of this team for this season?

I think they did a great job pulling the plug, but like usual with some groups I see players were out of shape, not focused, bad leadership, of course bad coaching, I mean they could only turn Geekie into a probable 25 goal guy and not Brazeau as well. Everyone should be catching strays here no?

 

[McGarnagle]

One other thing, at any point are we going to blame the architects of this team for this season?

I think they did a great job pulling the plug, but like usual with some groups I see players were out of shape, not focused, bad leadership, of course bad coaching, I mean they could only turn Geekie into a probable 25 goal guy and not Brazeau as well. Everyone should be catching strays here no?

Depends on the tone you put on the word "blame".

This year is the culmination of decisions made by Sweeney, enabled by Neely and Charlie Jacobs 2 to 3 years ago. They went all in for 2023, and now the bill came due. So it's their fault, but I don't blame them for going for it back then either (I blame Monty for f***ing that up.)

 

[DKH]

The problem is that is to much money for a banged up veteran.

He is small and can’t to it anymore.

He had his run. It is done.

You think it’s over for him here ?

 

[Dr Hook]

I would be surprised if he came back. I don't know that the Bruins want him back- they cleaned out the veteran leadership group for the most part so it seems regressive to the plan. It feels like when you leave a job and you tell your coworkers 'yeah, we'll keep in touch' and you don't.

 

[DKH]

I would be surprised if he came back. I don't know that the Bruins want him back- they cleaned out the veteran leadership group for the most part so it seems regressive to the plan. It feels like when you leave a job and you tell your coworkers 'yeah, we'll keep in touch' and you don't.

So true

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

You think it’s over for him here ?

I think it is over for him anywhere